Flywheel bhp figure

Galen

Lifer
Hey lads,
I recently got my car dyno'd using a dyno pack where it made 148bhp and 146lb/ft at the wheels running at 1bar. What do ye reckon the power would be at the fly, how much of a difference does there be in a glanza between the bhp at wheels and fly?

Cheers
 

Galen

Lifer
Heres the spec if it helps:
Autobahn88 fmic
5Zigen decat
Blitz nur spec exhaust
HKS Actuator
HKS FCD
A'pexi induction kit
A'pexi AVC-R boostcontroller (@1bar)
A'pexi AFC NEO

And is 148bhp @ wheels a good figure for the mods done?
 

starbogt

Member +
brilliant mate mine made 132 @ fly 102 at wheels but 154lbft torque at 3k rpm (mine's not setup right! yet. Would have thought it'd be running around 180bhp at flywheel but thats a guess.
 

GTti

Member +
About 170bhp using 15% transmission losses.

If you want to be optimistic you can increase it upto 20% which would give you 177bhp.


Hence why you shouldn't really bother measuring flywheel figures :p Whats at the wheels is what matters.
 

Galen

Lifer
Cheers lad, 170-180 was my guess too but recently ive had lads laugh at the car sayin its nowhere near 180 with the mods done!! Not that im bothered, it still puts a smile on my face when drivin!!:)
 

GTti

Member +
A Dynapack will also read higher as there is less dead weight because you've dropped 20KG+ from your drivetrain. So your result will be slightly more optimistic than when your wheels are on the road.

I'd just expect a real 160-170bhp figure, dont go boasting 180bhp because you could well go on a different dyno that calculates 160bhp @ fly.
 

GTti

Member +
Heres the spec if it helps:
Autobahn88 fmic
5Zigen decat
Blitz nur spec exhaust
HKS Actuator
HKS FCD
A'pexi induction kit
A'pexi AVC-R boostcontroller (@1bar)
A'pexi AFC NEO

And is 148bhp @ wheels a good figure for the mods done?

I'd say thats good for the CT9, and you have alot of torque and midrange from that turbo. Lots of useable power and torque. Just ensure that on WOT you have enough fuel being pushed into the engine, the CT9 will probably start 'blowing hot' around 1bar or more.
 

Galen

Lifer
A Dynapack will also read higher as there is less dead weight because you've dropped 20KG+ from your drivetrain. So your result will be slightly more optimistic than when your wheels are on the road.

I'd just expect a real 160-170bhp figure, dont go boasting 180bhp because you could well go on a different dyno that calculates 160bhp @ fly.

Thanks, I dont be boasting, if anyone asks i tell them 148@wheels!
 

Galen

Lifer
I'd say thats good for the CT9, and you have alot of torque and midrange from that turbo. Lots of useable power and torque. Just ensure that on WOT you have enough fuel being pushed into the engine, the CT9 will probably start 'blowing hot' around 1bar or more.

Do ya think I should uprate fuel pump and maybe injectors at this stage? Or would the NEO be doing a good enough job?
 

GTti

Member +
Were your AFR's measured during the dyno run? You may have a seperate graph for this. It's best to keep an eye on these with a wideband sensor and gauge. They can be bought for around £160-180. Well worth the money if you want your engine to last.

Untill you know this, you can't really answer your question. I would suspect you're OK with the standard turbo.
 

Galen

Lifer
Were your AFR's measured during the dyno run? You may have a seperate graph for this. It's best to keep an eye on these with a wideband sensor and gauge. They can be bought for around £160-180. Well worth the money if you want your engine to last.

Untill you know this, you can't really answer your question. I would suspect you're OK with the standard turbo.

To tell the truth i dont know. They didnt say there was any problems with fueling, they said everything was running fine. Thanks for the help, il look into it!
 

HYBRID

Super Moderator <a href="http://www.toyotagtturbo.
Untill you know this, you can't really answer your question. I would suspect you're OK with the standard turbo.


lol unless the neo does miracles i doubt anybody can say that.. but no u dont need to uprate the pump or injectors for the ct9 @ 1 bar... best thing u could do with the setup u have is add a rrfpr & use the neo to trim it down..

@ luke, besides hes using an hks fcd cant really say how thats affecting things, the hks ones love to lean out the rev range as theyre resitor type fcds... so unless this guy really put the fcd down low & raised with the neo (to increase fuel, yet avoid fuel cut, as both modify the same map signal) then i really have no idea how he has increased his fuelling...
 

GTti

Member +
Yes, it would be much more preferable to have one that clamps close to the fuel cut. I myself wouldn't run any of them regardless :p

They didnt say there was any problems with fueling, they said everything was running fine.

I wouldn't trust this opinion, their idea of running fine might not be fine on the 4EFTE. (Just because similar results are OK on another engine)

I'm assuming that the AFC has been set up previously by someone and not just thrown in :p
 

Galen

Lifer
Yes, it would be much more preferable to have one that clamps close to the fuel cut. I myself wouldn't run any of them regardless :p



I wouldn't trust this opinion, their idea of running fine might not be fine on the 4EFTE. (Just because similar results are OK on another engine)

I'm assuming that the AFC has been set up previously by someone and not just thrown in :p

Oh yeh it was set up before hand!! And while it was been dyno'd they made a few adjustments on the neo and gained 5bhp
 
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