For all who have removed a 4efte engine....

[Somhairle]

Right chaps,

I'm pulling my engine out at the weekend, I've done it on a few GT's that didn't require the body work to be kept in one piece to say the least.....

so my question is.....

Is there enough room to slide the box to the right and remove the engine?

or should I go the traditional route and remove the box and engine together?

I will have full use of a hydraulic ramp, and a garage full of tools.... (Thats where having a trevor comes in handy)

So yes, give me your best engine removal procedures....

[tr0ublemaker03]

yank both the engine and trans, easiest way

[Somhairle]

duely noted.....

I think thats the route i'll take :D

[CaL]

had to change head gasket and clutch on v6 vectra today and thought it would be easier to take engine out lol....hard job really with out the tools but its all fun if done methodically and slowly

[Somhairle]

had to change head gasket and clutch on v6 vectra today and thought it would be easier to take engine out lol....hard job really with out the tools but its all fun if done methodically and slowly


Im a trained mechanic dude ;)!


Was just looking for the quickest route! :D

[sx_turbo]

well to be honest if you take the mani and dounpipe off and remove the radiator, all the hoses , you can take the block out on its own via the top of the car, this way there is no need to take out the gear box, trust me this is the best route, i rebuilt my engine.

[customep-82]

drop the whole lot straight down dude, thats what i've allways done

[Rory]

Easiest way to do it, would be to strip as much off the engine as possible, and take the engine and box out as a complete unit.
Take the bumper and bonnet off aswell, basiclly give yourself as much room as possible.

Rory

[weeJohn]

Its a piece of piss to take it out the bottom at Trevors Som, take the whole lot out and you can give the box a good look over and the oil change will do the box no harm.

I have a warning for you but, as you might already know.

Once you have done work like this at Trevors, with all his kit and tools, it make it twice as shite the next time you have to do it on the drive!!:D

[dac69er]

when i changed my clutch on my parents driveway it wasnt a fun job at all.
wish i had a ramp!

[colin]

just take the engine out thats all you need out taking out the box is just extra work you dont need.

[Chris]

done my rebuild 2 weeks ago, defo easier to take the whole lot out at once, also easier goin back in as uve not got the problem of trying to alight the engine the to gear box with it all hanging there.

[p2d]

Hole thread revival! Pretty sure he's done this already guys!!

[stuart]

well to be honest if you take the mani and dounpipe off and remove the radiator, all the hoses , you can take the block out on its own via the top of the car, this way there is no need to take out the gear box, trust me this is the best route, i rebuilt my engine.

Same as me!

[Damage]

If wanting to remove it all, the fastest method is leaving everything together mate.

Regards,

Daniel

[sMARTINside]

I have to agree: Engine + Gearbox down together. To take the 4E down and put the 5E back up in it on with the car on a lift took me 6 hours. From fully functional to fully functional!

[Nick@TD.co.uk]

Yeah most engines we just drop it out as one and then split it once its out, saves alot of time and hassle tbh.

Good Luck with it buddy should have fun.

[WallaceGlanza]

Thread from the dead again!

I'm changing my engine at the moment (slowly) and was hoping to just take the block itself out and leave the gearbox in, I've been using Dane's tutorial to help but he took the box out with the engine.

So I was just wondering if anyone could advise on how to do it when leaving the box in, I've already got most of the ancillaries off but just want to know how easy it is to split the engine and box?

I'm hoping I'll have a crane to take it out of the top....

[TurboDave]

Thread from the dead again!

I'm changing my engine at the moment (slowly) and was hoping to just take the block itself out and leave the gearbox in, I've been using Dane's tutorial to help but he took the box out with the engine.

So I was just wondering if anyone could advise on how to do it when leaving the box in, I've already got most of the ancillaries off but just want to know how easy it is to split the engine and box?

I'm hoping I'll have a crane to take it out of the top....

Its much easier to leave it all as one drop it down, engine, box, ancillaries and then build the other engine back up with the ancillaries, box attached and just whinch it back up into the car.


:)

[Jay]

Yeah, can only echo that.

Much easier bolting it together on the floor and then dropping it in as one unit.

[Dub-Se7en]

also, 2 more things i'd add, remove the crank pulley for more clearance on the chassis leg and pull the engine out on an angle, so the left side raises first, will make life easier

like so

http://www.dubse7en.co.uk/starlet/Newbuild/rebuildjan08/DSC00495.jpg

[Jay]

And an extra set of hands will be a major bonus too.

[WallaceGlanza]

I was just under the thinking that it will be more work since the box will just be going onto the other block so it can just stay there meaning I won't need to remove its mount or the driveshaft at that side etc

Getting the shafts in and out is probably what I'm most worried about doing but if alligning the engine to box when going back in is tricky then i suppose maybe it is just easier for the whole lot to come out.

I was also just being a typical tight arse scot not wanting to buy new gearbox oil!:p

Cheers guys:)

[Nick_P]

I was just under the thinking that it will be more work since the box will just be going onto the other block so it can just stay there meaning I won't need to remove its mount or the driveshaft at that side etc

Getting the shafts in and out is probably what I'm most worried about doing but if alligning the engine to box when going back in is tricky then i suppose maybe it is just easier for the whole lot to come out.

I was also just being a typical tight arse scot not wanting to buy new gearbox oil!:p

Cheers guys:)

It'll be more work seperating the gearbox from the engine in place, really doesnt take that long to get the lot out as one and seperate on the floor.

If you want you can leave the drive shafts in, just remove the 2 bolts holding the hubs to strut....then pull the hubs out the way while taking the drive shaft out the hub. if you see what I mean

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/Nickperry04/IMG00048.jpg

Also go out the bottom, again too much hassel going out through the top.

[TurboDave]

Agreed ^ but the inner CV's normally come out without any problems when you remove the clip.

You will regret trying to leave the box in and just take the engine out if you go by that route, it can be a real pain in the arse as there is very little room on the cambelt side to move the engine over to get the clutch past the box and aligning the box to the engine when its back in is also a bastard!

[WallaceGlanza]

Agreed ^ but the inner CV's normally come out without any problems when you remove the clip.

You will regret trying to leave the box in and just take the engine out if you go by that route, it can be a real pain in the arse as there is very little room on the cambelt side to move the engine over to get the clutch past the box and aligning the box to the engine when its back in is also a bastard!

Thats what I was thinking if I left the box in, ok I think you've persuaded me to take the whole lot out.;)

What clip on the inner cv's are you talking about? I thought you just pryed them out of the block? Like take the the hub off for movement then just pull the inner cv out along with the housing, or do you mean separate the cv joing and housing?

[sx_turbo]

take the engine and box out together it's miles easier.

droping it out from the bottom is easiest, if you have use of a ramp, if not then out the top isnt to bad.

as for drive shafts, undo hubs from ball joints, and prise the inner CV joints out from the box, but remember to take oil ou the box first cos it will be very messy otherwise.

the clips on the inner cv joints cant be taken off till there out the box, and i highly recomend not to touch these clips there there for a reason,

a bit of gently persausion with a club hammer and a crow bar works wonders

[WallaceGlanza]

well to be honest if you take the mani and dounpipe off and remove the radiator, all the hoses , you can take the block out on its own via the top of the car, this way there is no need to take out the gear box, trust me this is the best route, i rebuilt my engine.

take the engine and box out together it's miles easier.

droping it out from the bottom is easiest, if you have use of a ramp, if not then out the top isnt to bad.

as for drive shafts, undo hubs from ball joints, and prise the inner CV joints out from the box, but remember to take oil ou the box first cos it will be very messy otherwise.

the clips on the inner cv joints cant be taken off till there out the box, and i highly recomend not to touch these clips there there for a reason,

a bit of gently persausion with a club hammer and a crow bar works wonders

You've changed your opinion then!:p

Thats the way I thought you went about removing the driveshafts, I don't have a ramp so it'll have to come out the top.

Thanks for the confirmation.;)

[sx_turbo]

You've changed your opinion then!:p




yep, if the head is already off like it was when i rebuilt my ngine then leaving the box in is easier.

when i wrote that i didnt think about if the head wasnt already off.

and after recently taking the engine out with the gearbox, i can confirm that its easier to take it out all in one lol


but defo do not remove those clips from the inner shafts

[WallaceGlanza]

Ok I'll go that way then,the clips we're talking about are the one's holding the boots on? Thats what I'm thinking about anyway, I don't even know how to do them back up!

[sx_turbo]

Ok I'll go that way then,the clips we're talking about are the one's holding the boots on? Thats what I'm thinking about anyway, I don't even know how to do them back up!

i'm not.

i dont think dave is either because there is absolutely no reason to remove these at all.


when you pull the shafts out there is clips on the inner cv joint, these get pushed in the gear box and keeps them in there.

[WallaceGlanza]

Lol! Ok I see, I think I've heard of them getting broken so I'll be careful with that, is there a clip on both sides not just the gearbox?

I didn't understand why you/dave were mentioning the boot clips as I didn't think they needed touching.

Thanks for clarifying that.:)

[TurboDave]

There is an easier way than taking the shafts out from the outer CV's but if your comfortable doing it that way then thats probably best.

:)

[sx_turbo]

There is an easier way than taking the shafts out from the outer CV's but if your comfortable doing it that way then thats probably best.

:)

why would you take shafts out from the outer cv's?

[WallaceGlanza]

There is an easier way than taking the shafts out from the outer CV's but if your comfortable doing it that way then thats probably best.

:)

I wasn't planning on taking the shafts out of the outer cv's, I was just going to take the hub off the lower arm to give it enough movement to pull the whole shaft out of the box and block.

Although I could do with changing the outer cv boot's so probably may aswell take the shafts out completely.

How do you do up them stupid clips that come with the boots?