i have finally bought a power fc!!!!

[dac69er]

ive gone and done it. i have bought myself a power fc and commander. cant believe i went through with it as its alot of money! anyway ill let you all know how i get on as i need to do a few more mods first before mapping.

so excited. :gt-smilie:

[Dane_Bristol]

Welcome to the Power FC owners club :)

[azerty]

good investment ;)

[Animal GT]

wer did ya get it mate??how much??am lookin for 1 also.;)cheers

[Dan3SGTE]

ive not heard great things about them from a few people.............

just saying what ive heard.... but good luck with it..............

[Guye]

I guess the jam racing ecu will be up for sale soon then dac69er?

[99glanzav]

good man,you will break near even by selling your jam to someone who will pay silly money for it

you will notice a big difference over the jam when pfc is mapped

starlet3sgte----?explain.....

[ChrisGT]

Where do you ppl find all the money? Give me some damnit!

[Dane_Bristol]

ive not heard great things about them from a few people.............

just saying what ive heard.... but good luck with it..............

Tell me have you ever owned one mate, can you speak from experience of owning one ? If you use a reputable tunner of the Power FC like i am the POWER FC comes out with some mint figures.

[Dan3SGTE]

whooow........

people i never said i had any experience with it or even i never said they "were not good" ... I said ive "heard" not great things from a few people....

basically that they dont give out all that good results, arent that accurate.......

just what ive heard from peoples experiences..... if you guys have proved good results then sweet as...............

[Dane_Bristol]

not everyone get get a MOTEC :( as much as we all want one :)

[99glanzav]

whooow........

people i never said i had any experience with it or even i never said they "were not good" ... I said ive "heard" not great things from a few people....

basically that they dont give out all that good results, arent that accurate.......

just what ive heard from peoples experiences..... if you guys have proved good results then sweet as...............

you cant talk badly of a power fc when you never used one!!as for these things you have ''heard'' its obviously down to bad tuning and not the ecu...or elso people running on basemaps and not properly tuned....

[Dan3SGTE]

not everyone get get a MOTEC :( as much as we all want one :)


mate i didnt mean it like that at all.............

i was just saying what ive heard.... for the price ive heard you could get better......... like an apexi... microtech etc....

this is what ive been told by a few otheres........

[WallaceGlanza]

i was just saying what ive heard.... for the price ive heard you could get better......... like an apexi... microtech etc....

this is what ive been told by a few otheres........

Huh? Apexi..... Power FC?

[azerty]

any standalone ECU would have bad reputation if ended in wrong hands ;)

[edit] and yeah, power FC is made by Apexi

but it is true that there are better standalone than Power FC, it really depends on your needs...
I wouldn't fit a microtech on a road legal car thought... my opinion...

[Dan3SGTE]

you cant talk badly of a power fc when you never used one!!as for these things you have ''heard'' its obviously down to bad tuning and not the ecu...or elso people running on basemaps and not properly tuned....

For fuck sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i never said they were bad......... i said thats what ive been told... not speakin badly of them..........

[99glanzav]

any standalone ECU would have bad reputation if ended in wrong hands ;)

exactly,chinese whispers can give a part a bad name.....

[dan_ep82]

mate i didnt mean it like that at all.............

i was just saying what ive heard.... for the price ive heard you could get better......... like an apexi... microtech etc....

this is what ive been told by a few otheres........

isn't the power fc made by apexi?

[99glanzav]

For fuck sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i never said they were bad......... i said thats what ive been told... not speakin badly of them..........
calm down lass,you said you havent heard great things about them,and then you cant back up what you said....

lol at danep82....yes they are,thats a strange one...

[ann_kelvin]

Good find dac69er !!
u must be very excited to get it fitted and mapped. lol
Mine is still sitting in box waiting for me to get all others parts lol
anyway keep us update !

[Dan3SGTE]

yes im pretty sure it is... in that case i appologize... i may of got confused with that.... just heard you could get better.... as said not my words.... the people that have told me may of had a bad experience... i just thought i'd share what ive heard.........

[dan_ep82]

anyway back on topic ay! i think everyone miss under stood starlet3sgte... there is no harm in saying something hes heard. and this topic isn't called 'WHAT IS EVERYONES OPINION ON POWER FC' lol

[Dan3SGTE]

calm down lass,you said you havent heard great things about them,and then you cant back up what you said....

lol at danep82....yes they are,thats a strange one...

what do you expect, your accusing me of saying they are shit when all i said is WHAT IVE HEARD.... i dont want to argue, i just wanted to share what ive heard and what they said..... also to see what you guys thing about this... dam its like ive said something wrong.

i'd understand if i said i personally think there shit....... but i didnt.

[99glanzav]

what do you expect, your accusing me of saying they are shit when all i said is WHAT IVE HEARD.... i dont want to argue, i just wanted to share what ive heard and what they said..... also to see what you guys thing about this... dam its like ive said something wrong.

i'd understand if i said i personally think there shit....... but i didnt.forget about it,you obviously mistook it for a different ecu seeing as you were recommending apexi...microtech...when the power fc is actually apexi....

back to topic

[azerty]

there is no harm to discuss and disagrea guys ;)

what people usualy don't like about PFC is the fact that it won't retard timing if knocks occurs (what your standard ECU would do). so you really need to trust your tuner on this one, and be sure you never use lower octane than the one your setup has been maped for.

Other than that it is a lovely unit, that doesn't have all the ring&bells that top of the range standalones have (launch control, antilag, multimap, water injection suport...) but is still a really nice alternative for highly tuned road car (IMO once again)

I have used/tuned/owned/loved both emanage ultimate and Power FC

[GT-TD04]

what do you expect, your accusing me of saying they are shit when all i said is WHAT IVE HEARD.... i dont want to argue, i just wanted to share what ive heard and what they said..... also to see what you guys thing about this... dam its like ive said something wrong.

i'd understand if i said i personally think there shit....... but i didnt.


10 paces and:shoot::shoot:

calm down lads.

thanks for the pics dac69er,i don't have one lol

[Dan3SGTE]

forget about it,you obviously mistook it for a different ecu seeing as you were recommending apexi...microtech...when the power fc is actually apexi....

back to topic

no i didnt get confused it definitely 100% fact the power FC they were talking about... i said i got confused with the power FC being an apexi unit.....

[tucka]

have you baught the powerFC boost controler kit?

good choice going for the fc its for winners lol

[ChrisGT]

Gee whizz you people get riled easily...Chillax babes! S'all good!

[Dan3SGTE]

im chilled.....

just thought i'd share some stuff and felt like i was backed in a corner and thrown rocks at.......

[Gee]

ive not heard great things about them from a few people.............

just saying what ive heard.... but good luck with it..............

LOL ! Heard more good than bad! Obviously there are more advanced ECU's out there now, but for the money, what other standlone is there in the same bracket?

Does all the Jap tuners good enough! :D

[Dan3SGTE]

please gee... let it go mate............

been through this through the whole thread... just what ive heard, i dont belive everything i hear.....

[Idrees]

*Yawns*

How much did it cost?

[Gee]

please gee... let it go mate............

been through this through the whole thread... just what ive heard, i dont belive everything i hear.....

Not av'ing a go mate, just saying!

[99glanzav]

Not av'ing a go mate, just saying!
so was i but took it up wrong again...

[dac69er]

i payed the going rate, thats all im going to say on the price.

i want to sort my air filter out, fit a smaller rad and fit a custom fmic and then i shall fit it and get it mapped. after that the jam should be for sale. until then ill keep with the jam so the pfc will be sitting in its box for a bit, will test it first though to make sure it all works ok.

dont have the boost control kit with it. will just stick with my profec b spec 2 as that seems to do the job ok.

will be interesting to see what figures i get with the jam and then a properly mapped pfc on exactly the same setup. may do it for future reference

[Guye]

will be interesting to see what figures i get with the jam and then a properly mapped pfc on exactly the same setup. may do it for future reference
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Sounds good. Post up the results for both when you have them. You're lucky to actually have good tuners. If we had over here, I would have considered a remappable ecu as well.

[Gee]

The ECU is only as good as the tuner.

[dac69er]

well with my past experience of other people doing things on my car i give the engine about a month before it goes bang!

ill use a reputable tuner and just hope they really do know what they are doing.

will be interesting in comparison to see how the power and torque is delivereed as well as the maximum acheived with both ecus. how it drives on the road will also come into consideration and fuel economy too.
one good thing is i can get the pfc mapped for 95 ron fuel which will save me a packet

[Gee]

If you want the most from it, get it mapped at 99 RON ;)

Glad to see your considering other factors when comparing the differences. I hate how people only like to compare power figures, when a standalone is about so much more than that!

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

Paul mapped a TD04 on standard internals with the PFC to 250bhp and thats been running over a year now

[dac69er]

is that roys by any chance? thought his was 220bhp? i know paul mapped that and im sure its been going nearly 2 years now a 1 bar or more

[dac69er]

If you want the most from it, get it mapped at 99 RON ;)

Glad to see your considering other factors when comparing the differences. I hate how people only like to compare power figures, when a standalone is about so much more than that!

out and out power isnt my goal. a really useable car with reasonable fuel economy and more or less the best performance possible with the setup you have is the best way.

just interested to see what all the fuss is about, plus you get a cool screen with loads of info and stuff on :rockon:

i could get it mapped at 99ron but as people have said about the lack of timing being retarded it there is knocking that has put me off, especially as i dont use the car everyday so the fuel is more likely to go a bit stale.
also if mapped at 95 ron itll save me a fortune on petrol. its all good

[TurboDave]

imo, it would be silly to spend all that money and not get it mapped on tidy high octane fuel. Using 95 octane wouldnt save you much anyway as you go further on higher octane fuel as it has a higher calorific value than 95 octane.

The octane number of fuel isnt everything either there is a lot to the quality of fuel and the additives it contains.

Getting it mapped on 99 ron would be the best bet.

:)

[Dave@TM-developments.com]

is that roys by any chance? thought his was 220bhp? i know paul mapped that and im sure its been going nearly 2 years now a 1 bar or more


Yes originally mapped at 220, then went back and came out at 250

[dac69er]

cool didnt realise that. i drove it when it was running at 210 ish and that was impressive, so smooth and lag was very minimal

[Smore]

funnily enough i have just sold mine too lol how odd:p

[Dan3SGTE]

so was i but took it up wrong again...

please mate for once just shut the fuck up. do you always have to get involved......

i know gee wasnt havin a go i was just a bit fed up of all the comments and didnt wana get into it.............

[Aga]

mind your language please.

[HYBRID]

Just to let all u ladies know.. the power fc for the starlet is actually made by APEngineering for apexi ;)

also as alex just said tone it down.. or the yellow cards come out!
kon

[www.glanza.co.uk]

what people usualy don't like about PFC is the fact that it won't retard timing if knocks occurs (what your standard ECU would do). so you really need to trust your tuner on this one, and be sure you never use lower octane than the one your setup has been maped for.

Exactly! When I had my V tuned, the one of the first things Martyn (EngineTuner) made sure of was that there was no knock... All depends on your tuners knowledge!

I'm a big fan (especially for the price I paid ;)), as my boost curve is MUCH more refined after my RR set-up. At the end of the day, it's each to there own... Some people prefer one product, others prefer another. For example, BLITZ for me over HKS... :p

[dac69er]

you get an engine light f you get knock though dont you?

[99glanzav]

please mate for once just shut the fuck up. do you always have to get involved......

i know gee wasnt havin a go i was just a bit fed up of all the comments and didnt wana get into it.............
calm down ya big wooos.....hows about that?
its an open forum,just because you dont like some opinions doesnt mean you have to sulk about it,open forum/open views!

just after reading max speed post and your coming across very smug on that but no-ones getting agressive only you....and you say your not bothered....yea.....right....

[Dan3SGTE]

calm down ya big wooos.....hows about that?
its an open forum,just because you dont like some opinions doesnt mean you have to sulk about it,open forum/open views!

just after reading max speed post and your coming across very smug on that but no-ones getting agressive only you....and you say your not bothered....yea.....right....


Love you too beautiful ;)

[99glanzav]

Love you too beautiful ;)
at last some calmness....love it!;)

[Dan3SGTE]

:)

[azerty]

you get an engine light f you get knock though dont you?

yep :). isn't it great to be informed about it so you know you need to remap instanly ? instead of having ecu retarding without knowing it ?

PFC also has a quick full map edit function that let you correct the full map with a specific % until next restart. that can be usfull if for some reason you need to fill your tank with lower octane that usualy...

[gorganl2000]

yep :). isn't it great to be informed about it so you know you need to remap instanly ? instead of having ecu retarding without knowing it ?

PFC also has a quick full map edit function that let you correct the full map with a specific % until next restart. that can be usfull if for some reason you need to fill your tank with lower octane that usualy...

hey azerty...or any others.....is it possible to have some other light (apart from the engine check light) hooked up that let's u know when thier is knock detected via the pfc??...maybe like how a shift/alert light operates......i mean most people, especially if driving fast...wont be able to see the check light flashing in time

[azerty]

you will see the check engine red light well.
you might have a way to hook an extended light on the engine check wire. the thing is that enginecheck light doesn't signal knocs only
I guess The best thing would be to buy a dedicated Knocklink and install it on your dashboard.

Aga might be able to give more info thought (he is using fc datalogit that I still need to order)

[Gee]

Different flashes are for different warnings thou...I think 3 engines flashes is knock. And unless you have a gauge or something in the way you can see the engine light flash no problem.

I also monitor knock levels on the commander.

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

The only thing really against the Power FC is that it doesn't adjust for knock it just displays it on the meter, by then it's usually too late. As mentioned for the money it's a good bit of kit when you compare the link kit were using that cost's the same as a scruffy EP82.

Good find as well Duncan as there bloddy rare, let us know how you get on.

T

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Should have read the rest of the thread! :p