casual 11's :p

[Dan3SGTE]

Chuffin' 'ell mate those were some good runs! Your GT is fast, well done!!

On a side note i would like to say that it's not jus' about how powerful a car is, but how well the chassis is setup to take the power to the tarmac.

Harry what were your 60ft times?

Its not, your very right. Although there is only a certain amount you can do to a chassis to achieve better times and its already been said this is set up for circuit not drag. I can see he gets very good take offs, but that doesnt explain the excessive ET...

Not argues here chaps just debating

 

[AdDaMan]

Wow!! This GT must be liiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!! 123mph?!

 

[goldenvtr]

i dont see any reason to doubt that time, looks legit to me!,

bear in mind things like the overall weight of the car, the fact the track was probly hot all the way down so grip in all gears also power and torque curves.

i see loads of people descusing there peak power/torque but not many saying i have x amount of power at a low rpms. i much prefere a large power band and it does make for a overall faster car that has much larger peak power.

i ran 13.01 at 117mph with guestimated 270bhp and that was gettin 2.3 60ft times lol ( that was 5e with vf28 @ 1.1bar) few years back mind lol

ps great time harry good work

 

[weeJohn]

The fact you got a faster time with less recorded power i boil it down to different days/temps/ or a dodgey dyno... Or your driving was better on teh day... Blergh i duno lol

3 different dynos, all read within 1 bhp of each other, 2 different drag strips, 3 different events, many runs 0.3 seconds faster. Teds 4WD had 50 bhp peak more than mine but was slower up the strip by nearly a second, we swapped cars and didnt improve each others times, so I wouldnt say its down to driving techniques either.

Its not all about numbers boys.

 

[weeJohn]

I can see he gets very good take offs, but that doesnt explain the excessive ET...

They are not excessive, they are about right.

 

[00Joeindastarbo]

Glad the cars back from the dead and Great result!
Was this not intially a focused drag car so I would assume the setup is very well honed even if it has recently been setup for circuit

 

[Dan3SGTE]

Weejohn I really don't know then mate..

What ever anyone says this still doesnt make up in my books but fair play to him. That is mind blowingly fast for a 240bhp set up, much quicker then any starlet I've had experience with at that power. That's mclaren F1 speed and they have 600+hp and are light. Impressive.

 

[-Harry-]

Wow, what a shit storm overnight :s

WeeJohn is right about Dyno's reading differently around the world. Ive always been a big believer in mph being the true reveal of horsepower but Ill admit that 123mph is high for my power so Ill explain what the cars been through.

Wow!! This GT must be liiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!! 123mph?!

This man nailed it early on. Ive always thought my GT was light. I corner weighted it at under 800kg and was happy. After the floods the car had to be disassembled to almost nothing and I was very selective what I put back in. I also took the chance to change the windows to lexan and take weight out of anywhere I can. Ive also dropped 20kg of body weight since the last time I went this fast. Next time I get the scales, Ill throw the GT on. Even through Ive taken a lot out, I have put a half cage in since the car last went this fast.

Glad the cars back from the dead and Great result!
Was this not intially a focused drag car so I would assume the setup is very well honed even if it has recently been setup for circuit

Also correct. Many years ago this was a drag/street car and I spent a few years on research and development with suspension, gearing (through tire sizes), different tires and different turbos/fuels. The circuit setup is actually not too far off what I used to run for drags. I used to swap out the rear springs for heavier ones and change the rear tires for skinner ones with high pressure. (had semi slicks with 20psi in them this time). I also changed the wheel allignment and swapped front tires.

So about 3 years ago I finally got down to a 11.2 @ 124mph. This was with around 287hp atw (all my power figures have been at the wheels) high comp engine, on 109 fuel and nitrous with a large garret turbo. The following year I ran full weight doors and hatch but this time I had around 330hp with a low compression high boost engine + nitrous, big cams, a smaller hks turbo and toluene and ran 11.4's @ 127mph and ran a few 11.6's at over 129mph. You can start to see the effects of weight and horsepower here. Just a few months ago I ran a 12,5 @ 105mph with a td04 and 185hp with full weight doors and hatch

Now Im running over 240hp (without nitrous) on a smaller vf34 turbo and high comp 5e on e85 + stock cams and the result has been a nice power curve and bucket loads of torque. The cars previous best 60' was a 1.6 but would run consistent 1.8's. Through removing the weight its now consistent 1.7's no matter what I did. Its also chirping the tires through all gears now too. As for the track. Yes its a pretty decent track but this was a crappy mid week street car event so there was chunks of crappy rubber all over the track

I am tempted to throw some more boost in the engine, some more setup in the car and remove some more weight to go back for a 10 but ever since that 11.2, the engines have been stacking up. (mainly from circuit racing). We have
a big event in august. I might give it a crack then.

I find all this kind of funny though. If I put up 400hp, no one would say anything. I put up the real reading and people doubt the power and even the time. The dyno is just a tuning tool, not a dick measuring contest.

Cheers

Harry

 

[-Harry-]

I just found this in the car and thought animal might like it. Has track temp, baro, humidity, time, date ect. I didnt realise my 60' was so bad that run.

 

[Dan3SGTE]

Fair play Harry, things make alot more sense now. Appriciate your time to explain.

 

[wickedep]

300whp is more than enough with our light weight chasis to get you deep into the 11's providing you have your traction sorted. good job harry..few more tweaks and you'll be in the 10's

sacha

 

[-Harry-]

Thanks Sacha. Remember Im always open to sponsorship

The other vids.

[video=youtube;sa5eewOUqSg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa5eewOUqSg&feature=channel&list=UL[/video]

[video=youtube;o-klCfRbhFc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-klCfRbhFc&feature=channel&list=UL[/video]

 

[buckets]

Well done harry,very nice time your car must be very well set up,is say beening 5e pushies better power than the 4e as in spooling turbo etc.that car sure is hauling ass in the last video,seems like you'll be into 10s awfully fast

 

[animal gt]

I just found this in the car and thought animal might like it. Has track temp, baro, humidity, time, date ect. I didnt realise my 60' was so bad that run.

wel 1.7 60ft isnt so bad at all! my best is 1.6 and that was very good. 240hp dont think does 11.4,i must check my own time slips for around those times and let you no

300whp is more than enough with our light weight chasis to get you deep into the 11's providing you have your traction sorted. good job harry..few more tweaks and you'll be in the 10's

sacha

but he has 240hp sacha not 300hp, ya can talk about good setup and light being the answer,but 1.760ft seems good setup to me,and 800kgs is light but mine was lighter,

dont think am haten mate am not i no the feeling of haters lol but it doest add up for me

 

[-Harry-]

but he has 240hp sacha not 300hp, ya can talk about good setup and light being the answer,but 1.760ft seems good setup to me,and 800kgs is light but mine was lighter,

dont think am haten mate am not i no the feeling of haters lol but it doest add up for me

I said 800kg was what it was before the floods. It was similar weight when I did the 12.5 @ 105mph with 185hp. Should be a lot lighter now. When it was 800kg it took 330hp to run an 11.4 @ 127 mph. 1.7 is alright for 60'. Im the same with running 1.6 as a best. You run a lot more power than I do so I imagine it would be a bit harder to get the power down and still run good 60's. I really found it a bit of a compromise when running more power. Id lose time in the 60 but make it up later.

The car had semi slicks on the dyno which sometimes sucks power but all my runs are usually on semis. The dyno readout was 242hp. Im not trying to justify it. It really doesnt matter to me. Like I said before, the dyno is a tuning tool. You can make a dyno pop out anything you want really. I hardly think Ive earnt any doubt though. Ive been pretty transparent over the years always posting exactly what setup/horsepower I run and the times to match. As the saying goes though, "when the lights drop, the bullshit stops"

 

[ryan-11]

Great time harry, car looks awesome too

 

[HYBRID]

3 different dynos, all read within 1 bhp of each other, 2 different drag strips, 3 different events, many runs 0.3 seconds faster. Teds 4WD had 50 bhp peak more than mine but was slower up the strip by nearly a second, we swapped cars and didnt improve each others times, so I wouldnt say its down to driving techniques either.

Its not all about numbers boys.

FINALLY !!! some sense in this thread.... i have alot less power than most 10 second cars... also i run a much smaller turbo.... having alot of power is pointless if you cant get it down to the ground propperly... besides... bhp is bullshit... consider compression ratio something ur not thinking about guys

kon

 

[Jay]

I don't mind how fast she does it, I'm just glad to see her flying up and down a dragstrip after nearly drowning in the floods.

What doesn't kill them makes them stronger!

Jay

 

[animal gt]

I said 800kg was what it was before the floods. It was similar weight when I did the 12.5 @ 105mph with 185hp. Should be a lot lighter now. When it was 800kg it took 330hp to run an 11.4 @ 127 mph. 1.7 is alright for 60'. Im the same with running 1.6 as a best. You run a lot more power than I do so I imagine it would be a bit harder to get the power down and still run good 60's. I really found it a bit of a compromise when running more power. Id lose time in the 60 but make it up later.

The car had semi slicks on the dyno which sometimes sucks power but all my runs are usually on semis. The dyno readout was 242hp. Im not trying to justify it. It really doesnt matter to me. Like I said before, the dyno is a tuning tool. You can make a dyno pop out anything you want really. I hardly think Ive earnt any doubt though. Ive been pretty transparent over the years always posting exactly what setup/horsepower I run and the times to match. As the saying goes though, "when the lights drop, the bullshit stops"

so what weight you think it is now? by the sounds of it,it must be 700kgs,as i had mine weighed with polycarbonate windows! fibre glass boot with poly window,and gt doors cut up saven 12kgs per door,plus no exhaust and i was alot more than 700kgs. i can remember my runs from the word go it was traction to the end,spining yes but not hanging around, so dont think i was losen much if any time cause i have more power. il be going out to my car later i wil check them time slips just to refresh my memory,hope i dont eat my words lol

 

[Dan3SGTE]

Numbers arent everything but they sure do often relate to speed as I've seen millions of times. You can't have 100bhp and your car weighing 2 tonnes but high compression and broad power band and it'll be fast. Yes it maybe faster in comparison but still not quick...

You can very much so judge a cars rough speed by power and weight, not exact as there are variables but generally speaking it all adds up pretty close. In all my experience it always has been anyway.