300whp Jamaica style

[gorganl2000]

i dont think no one is stupid enough to wot for 25 min's, i done 90 miles at the cadwell track day proper flat out, just cant see stock rods or HG taking that abuse

BUT
it depends what your building the car for, if it's just for fiqure's or 1/4 mile it will prob be fine

i think if they decided for track use...they would most likely have to put on other stuff to meet track conditions....maybe oil cooler, maybe better/bigger cooling (radiator and intercooler) if neecessary depending on the track layout, etc..

this car seems to be built for everyday usage with maybe the 1/4 mile in mind

but i'm sure hardcoreep will clarify

i'm not sure how long it would last on a track if the necessary equipment was installed...it may or may not...but for general everyday use, it should last a long time...as hardcoreep stated in an earlier post

 

[KrissyB]

would like too see some more pictures of this build, whens it all due to be finished and mapped/ dyno'd as it would be very good too see the dyno graphs also.

anticipating whats going to happen here, it should be very interesting

 

[gorganl2000]

would like too see some more pictures of this build, whens it all due to be finished and mapped/ dyno'd as it would be very good too see the dyno graphs also.

anticipating whats going to happen here, it should be very interesting

krissyB...i have no doubt it will make the targetted 300hp........these guys have been doing this too long now....they know what they are doing when it comes to this engine/power combination

however, some members are questioning the longitivity of the engine,,,which is a whole different story.........but like many other projects, some last and some dont,,,,which is dependent on so many variables, its hard to imagine....

 

[Corey_gt]

I'm going to be in Jamaica in march for a day would'nt mind seeing some of these beasts.

 

[Chris@CCM]

Honestly, if I had the money I'd do what a lot of these guys do, but I'm sure I'd be getting way better figures.

y so sure ? the dynos over here are not easy to plz dude i think u guys should start building engines for f1 if ur geting the sort of hp u say ur geting for the turbo etc .
dont for one min think that r tuners are poor , i can tell u there defo not.

 

[eptercel82]

longevity i think comes down to the tune in my opinion...

you can crank up boost and still be reliable aslong as theres really no detonation involved like hardcore stated before..
i learned that by trial and error with that one 5e only lasted a week due to alot of boost and timing was to advance for my liking which was at the stock 10 degress and boooom ..
the engine i have now its been in there for 2+years at over 25psi but there hasnt been any detonation present in this motor. compression is still with oe specs and leakdown is within permissiable ranges and with a good tune gas mileage was more than great..
as long as the afr's are in conjuction with timing and other factors the engine will be happy for many years..
as long as no corners are cut in the tuning process...
IMO..
any updates on the tuning and microtech

 

[hardcoreep]

y so sure ? the dynos over here are not easy to plz dude i think u guys should start building engines for f1 if ur geting the sort of hp u say ur geting for the turbo etc .
dont for one min think that r tuners are poor , i can tell u there defo not.

I would never say Uk tuners are poor. As a matter of fact due to my job I've spoken with everyone from Blitz to HKS to ECUTEK on tuning. The difference seems to lay in what UK tuners seem to percieve what Japanese cars are capable of. Having been to Europe, and watched lots of Top Gear, Fifth Gear, read CCC, Japanese Motorsport, and Autocar, etc... I come to the conclusion that Europeans dont like Japanese cars on a whole and have a rather negative opinion of them. Therefore telling a UK tuner that you want 300whp from a 1.5-litre Japanese engine most likely illicits a difference response than would say a Jamaican tuner. Here all cars are equal.

i think if they decided for track use...they would most likely have to put on other stuff to meet track conditions....maybe oil cooler, maybe better/bigger cooling (radiator and intercooler) if neecessary depending on the track layout, etc..

this car seems to be built for everyday usage with maybe the 1/4 mile in mind

The car is being built as a daily driver. There will be light track use for the Jamaican IP45 race series.

hardcoreep..u r saying the 4e pistons in a 5e with a stock 4e gasket the comp is ~8.5? Reason i am clarifyin is that i remember a long while back on wheelsjamaica Max told me its was more around 9.1:1?

again as u said nothing has been really done to calculate that cr of this combo..

Until I do a compression test on the engine I really cant say. Just like the headgasket figures keep changing (1mm to 1.4mm) depending on who you talked to I cant say for certain what it is. My figure came from a Japanese tuner who sells these engines, the spec sheet I have in my library says 8.5 CR, stock gasket 1mm. I'm not gonna question the other figures, they might be right.

I'm going to be in Jamaica in march for a day would'nt mind seeing some of these beasts.

If its a weekend u can link me I'll be free to take you around to Spi.

 

[lee-d]

when they tune througth a stand alone ecu,or piggy back, how can they tell when detonation is starting to take place?,,

i understand that there keeping the air and fuel at the perfect mix,and with more air going in from turbo wound up ,they add the extra fuel,and so on

but what else is happening on the laptop? how can they say that with the 5e engine hes building after its had a good tune up,that yes ,weve now got it spot on its running 300hp and should keep working well,

is it a knocking sensor? that feels when it starts to just knock then they back it off a bit,

i just cant understand how they know when there going into detonation

 

[Chris@CCM]

I would never say Uk tuners are poor. As a matter of fact due to my job I've spoken with everyone from Blitz to HKS to ECUTEK on tuning. The difference seems to lay in what UK tuners seem to percieve what Japanese cars are capable of. Having been to Europe, and watched lots of Top Gear, Fifth Gear, read CCC, Japanese Motorsport, and Autocar, etc... I come to the conclusion that Europeans dont like Japanese cars on a whole and have a rather negative opinion of them. Therefore telling a UK tuner that you want 300whp from a 1.5-litre Japanese engine most likely illicits a difference response than would say a Jamaican tuner. Here all cars are equal.

only one way to find out what there capable of ! i dont mind pushin them as far as i can when im tuning any gts, next time im on the dyno mapping il be looking a good bit over 300whp

 

[Chris@CCM]

when they tune througth a stand alone ecu,or piggy back, how can they tell when detonation is starting to take place?,,

i understand that there keeping the air and fuel at the perfect mix,and with more air going in from turbo wound up ,they add the extra fuel,and so on

but what else is happening on the laptop? how can they say that with the 5e engine hes building after its had a good tune up,that yes ,weve now got it spot on its running 300hp and should keep working well,

is it a knocking sensor? that feels when it starts to just knock then they back it off a bit,

i just cant understand how they know when there going into detonation

u hear detonation pal with head phones or that sort of thing thats how all most all tuners do it . u use old school ones my self seam to work the best

 

[eptercel82]

there are sensors in the aftermarket world that are made for just that like the J&S KNOCK SENSOR,but on this case the stock 4e-fte computer is fitted with a knock sensor from the factory so when the computer senses knocking or pipping it backs of timing.. knocking or pinging is a force that happens when either it comes from pre-ignition which is the correct term and it can be induced from a lean mixture in the combustion chamber or an excess in timing that would auto ignite before the actuall ignition starts and would collide and produce catastrophic failures..

as long as theres a correct air/fuel into the combustion chamber and the timing is not in excess aswell as the boost pressure combined everything should be ok..
hope this helps alittle

 

[starletgt.neal]

there are sensors in the aftermarket world that are made for just that like the J&S KNOCK SENSOR,but on this case the stock 4e-fte computer is fitted with a knock sensor from the factory so when the computer senses knocking or pipping it backs of timing.. knocking or pinging is a force that happens when either it comes from pre-ignition which is the correct term and it can be induced from a lean mixture in the combustion chamber or an excess in timing that would auto ignite before the actuall ignition starts and would collide and produce catastrophic failures..

as long as theres a correct air/fuel into the combustion chamber and the timing is not in excess aswell as the boost pressure combined everything should be ok..
hope this helps alittle

so you can run this set-up and it can last a long time IF the tune is good..so what you guys are saying here is that its all down to the tune...damn i best find me a good tuner then lol!

 

[richglanzav]

300whp here on a budget nowhere near as high as what i could only achieve 200whp on. we will c how long it lasts if its driven hard on track etc. my personal opinion is less than a week. but i hope im wrong and im open minded on this one and look forward to seein the developments. gd luck,

 

[lee-d]

yeah has helped thanks,

 

[hardcoreep]

300whp here on a budget nowhere near as high as what i could only achieve 200whp on. we will c how long it lasts if its driven hard on track etc. my personal opinion is less than a week. but i hope im wrong and im open minded on this one and look forward to seein the developments. gd luck,

You've proved my point. This is exactly the attitude most UK owners/tuners seem to display on average. Its part arrogance and cultural. The fact is 'you' believe 300whp on a daily driven car is somehow impossible because a)'you' havent been able to do it, or see it despite how much money you've thrown at 'your' car and that a Japanese car isnt capable of handling that much power unless modified to the hilt. As I said in the beginning of this thread 300whp on an EP is nothing here in jamaica. I know several and they drive quite fine as would any 300whp car be it Civic, Sentra, Subaru, or Evolution.

This reminds me of the early 90s when the import craze started in the USA. There were guys with their Mustangs unwilling to believe a 1.6 litre Honda engine could make more power than them.

I have little doubt the goals will be made and the car will last. As I also said, there are two main reasons why this car isnt at 300whp yet, 1)the owner is in school thus a priority over the the car 2)He's gone with the tougher management system. Had he went with an Emanage we'd be rolling down the road ending any doubts most have here.

 

[thefalls]

Keep up the work,buddy.
Waiting for the results.

 

[eptercel82]

300whp here on a budget nowhere near as high as what i could only achieve 200whp on. we will c how long it lasts if its driven hard on track etc. my personal opinion is less than a week. but i hope im wrong and im open minded on this one and look forward to seein the developments. gd luck,

2years and 2months exactly and still going and i drive it like i stole the ish at the tune of 28psi...

id say its that mentality that limits one not to push the envelope in my opinion it can be done here,jamaica,malta,sri lanka, and especially i know it can be done in the uk..
and it really comes down to the tuner i turned on my emanage last nite after id say about six months of sitting there and realized that my so-called "tuner" which he's real famously known world wide in the honda world..mapped my car to 440cc injectors not the 550's i was on. no wonder i was at 99%duty cycle at 5k rpm.. the first and last time im going to dyno with some body other than me..id rather rent a dyno an tune myself or road tune...

hows the build coming along hardcore???

 

[hardcoreep]

Owner is sorting out the Engine Managemen System by himself, as I've given up on it. When he's finished then we move on.

 

[braindamage]

SO Hardcoreep,what is ur take on the EMU for engine management?

 

[Fatman]

Glad to see some progress, I hope it all goes well for you. For what it's worth I've had nothing but negative reports about microtechs locally. I personally wouldn't use one, even if it was free!

I'm in the process of doing a similar build currently, standard internals 5e-fhe with a decent sized turbo, standard 9.8:1 cr, hopefully achieving 250+whp, will hopefully have some results next week. It's not easy, but it's definitely possible!