about uksc

[turboloon]

fuck that i wouldn't want tgtt in cahoots with ukso,the plain truth is enzo's orinal site was ripped off,there is a awful sense of decitfulness assocaitted with that site now.not from the members but the people who run it......

 

[Steve GT]

lmfao at the above comment. Sir you couldnt be more wrong. The staff of our club were the only decent honest side in the whole matter. We did what we did 100% for the good of our members.

If you think differently go and ask them yourself. UKSC was a seriously old and outdated forum with constant database errors , massive amounts of downtime as well as members and staff who run it seriously losing faith with the way things were being dealt with. And now its fast, fresh and up to date with happy members and a massive year to look forward to with the biggest Stand at Japfest as well as other shows. Think what you want about the way things happened but we did it for our members and they all seem pretty damm happy with it. So why cant everyone let things lie, were carrying on as we are, growing even more everyday with a happy and nicely managed forum. PERFECT

 

[ro55ifumi]

Charlie

No one is making you use UKSO, if you are unhappy ask to be removed and i am sure that can be done for you.

John

No abuse or threatening in the question Charlie just a simple question

Im fed up bieng given that option john i use ukso because uksc isnt there anymore. Just because i dont agree with what you guys did doesnt mean i shouldnt be using ukso and i have as much right to ise it as anyone else and the "if you dont like it fuck off" attitude will get you nowhere and i dont appreciate being spoken to like that!

If someone has attitude please take a look at the above comments hmm. I am sure that Jay asked that this thread be kept clean and un abusive but eh.

John

 

[dac69er]

lmfao at the above comment. Sir you couldnt be more wrong. The staff of our club were the only decent honest side in the whole matter. We did what we did 100% for the good of our members.

If you think differently go and ask them yourself. UKSC was a seriously old and outdated forum with constant database errors , massive amounts of downtime as well as members and staff who run it seriously losing faith with the way things were being dealt with. And now its fast, fresh and up to date with happy members and a massive year to look forward to with the biggest Stand at Japfest as well as other shows. Think what you want about the way things happened but we did it for our members and they all seem pretty damm happy with it. So why cant everyone let things lie, were carrying on as we are, growing even more everyday with a happy and nicely managed forum. PERFECT

the fact still remains that information was stolen from someone else. whether it was for the greater good or not does not hide that fact.

 

[TrisK]

the fact still remains that information was stolen from someone else. whether it was for the greater good or not does not hide that fact.

But consider, do you own the content of your posts or does Jay?

If you wanted this content removed, is it up to you, or Jay?

When the data was copied to UKSO, it was a colaberation, of many members posts. Which each individual item belonging to the member that wrote it.

If they were/are unhappy, then they could (and still can) request that content to be removed.

 

[Kyran]

dac69er is right it doesn't matter what way you look at it! Matt stole Geo's content, if Matt asked Geo he would have said no! so matt copied his content without permission. that is Theft! You can say what you want about the greater good and make it easier for people to join, with build threads and all that. but if people felt so strongly about Geo's bad running of the site and thought Matt could do it better, then you should have coppied all your own content yourself and ask geo to delete your posts.

Q: Socks can i have a copy of all your content, i dont like the way you run the fourm and want to start my own!

A: No (nom nom eats more cake)


There are allot of members on ukso that are only members because they dont care about the politics, and would jump ship this afternoon if ukso went belly up and another forum started... i got along with everyone at uksc and made allot of friends along the way, and they have chosen to go to ukso, so you go were your friends go quite naturally, thats why Charlie is still using ukso, as much as he hate what has been done. I haven't posted on ukso since this all happened just because i don't want to add to stolen content I use it purely to message old friends / keep in touch and make use of classified adds

 

[bucketep91]

I never said it was threatening or abusive but I've been givin that option off you about 5 times now. If I want to stop using Ukso then I will and if I do want to use it its none of your business! And if someone else gives u attitude then don't come complaining to me.
That wasn't a question u asked John!


Steve your digging a bigger hole, have u even been reading what's being said? I'm fed up with this argument because you guys can't see past your own lies. Admit what you done was wrong! Nothing is going to bring Ukso back now but justifying stealing everything from content to traders to members is even worse than stealing it as far as I'm concerned Ukso would be nothing like it is now if Uksc was still running and you didn't rip the content to make it easier for uksc's members to move across, some people think its just a new version of uksc and have no idea what you thieves have done. There is no credit for the guy who brought you all together by starting the club and no explanation on what happened or why ur forum that is on,y a few months old has 8/9 years worth of content.

 

[Kyran]

But consider, do you own the content of your posts or does Jay?

If you wanted this content removed, is it up to you, or Jay?

When the data was copied to UKSO, it was a colaberation, of many members posts. Which each individual item belonging to the member that wrote it.

If they were/are unhappy, then they could (and still can) request that content to be removed.

I get That but its like some one taking something that belongs to you and then u have to ask them to have it back when they shouldn't have taken it in the first place...

 

[weeJohn]

But consider, do you own the content of your posts or does Jay?

If you wanted this content removed, is it up to you, or Jay?

When the data was copied to UKSO, it was a colaberation, of many members posts. Which each individual item belonging to the member that wrote it.

If they were/are unhappy, then they could (and still can) request that content to be removed.

The question still looms, why was it taken?

 

[TrisK]

The question still looms, why was it taken?

I get That but its like some one taking something that belongs to you and then u have to ask them to have it back when they shouldn't have taken it in the first place...

I wasnt involved in that decision. but it happened. and no matter how many times this dicussion is had its not going to change anything.

Its also irrelvant to the original topic, as that was about the hacking on the UKSC server, which at the moment to the more IT savvy users on here that it could have been done by anyone. And most people who run servers have unfortunately come under this sort of attack before from random hackers

 

[bucketep91]

Ur still shying away from the questions. The only people going off topic here are the ukso admin

Why was the content/members/traders moved over to a new site? Can none of you answer that?

 

[weeJohn]

I wasnt involved in that decision. but it happened. and no matter how many times this dicussion is had its not going to change anything.

Its also irrelvant to the original topic, as that was about the hacking on the UKSC server

You brought it up mate.

 

[Phil]

I wasnt involved in that decision. but it happened. and no matter how many times this dicussion is had its not going to change anything.

Its also irrelvant to the original topic, as that was about the hacking on the UKSC server, which at the moment to the more IT savvy users on here that it could have been done by anyone. And most people who run servers have unfortunately come under this sort of attack before from random hackers

I think the original topic covers alot more than just the finer details of the hack but also the coincidence of what was being pushed by socks very shortly thereafter.

And you say that nomatter how many times something is discussed it wont change,

but if we are to believe you guys (that apparently aren't involved) yous are happy to continue as if no wrongdoing has taken place ?
so what could change (not that you'd mind ofcourse) is that another group of members aside from yourselves could disagree on the running of ukso, take of a copy of ukso(which is a ripoff of UKSC) and slide all your members across to a new forum called something very similar, without the owners consent?

As you say no doubt quite correctly and i quote

"And most people who run servers have unfortunately come under this sort of attack before from random hackers"

Im not sure if running a server and owning a forum are one and the same but either way coming under attack from random hackers is not the same as having a website stolen.

UKSC/Geo was hacked, by rupert the bear for example.
that does not make UKSC/Geo fair game surely?

If i have a SKODA that i allow my mates to travel in with me for free everyday.
If that car develops a fault, do my friends have the right to take the SKODA, fix it, and assume ownership by calling her SKODO ?

and since right and wrong seems to have grown blurred in this thread i would like to clarify that NO, you could not take anything faulty or not and assume ownership by fixing it.

So aside from the Hack, (which seems more than coincidental) its wrong.

and for anyone who is getting all het up about exacting a response with finer details about who said what and what seemed to be good for the majority, i would remind you that those details are what has clearly fogged your judgement.

forget all the inner workings and see the big picture.

stealing my SKODA renaming her SKODO would afteral have been the best solution for my mates needing a lift, but anyone can see that assuming ownership is wrong.

Stealing through the majority vote or pier pressure is as wrong as it would be if you were stealing a perfectly operational/functioning website.

Step back seperate wrong from right and find away to sort it out.

Give Geo back the reigns on his website, dont undermine him again until he is ready to step aside, and rename that forum unders its true and glorious title of UKSC.



LONG live TGTT

If anyone tried a coup like this here i hope the malteasers/irish and UK boys would kick up an insane fuss until it was returned to its right owner/name.

Phil

 

[dac69er]

But consider, do you own the content of your posts or does Jay?

If you wanted this content removed, is it up to you, or Jay?

When the data was copied to UKSO, it was a colaberation, of many members posts. Which each individual item belonging to the member that wrote it.

If they were/are unhappy, then they could (and still can) request that content to be removed.

if i stole your wallet then asked you if it was ok, if not i would return it, then it is still stealing.
it doesn't matter who owns the content, it was unlawfully copied without permission from the owners.

 

[TrisK]

BEcause even if people had wanted to go back we couldnt.

When the whole thing went down, Enzo said he was giving control of the whole thing to Idrees.

Idrees phoned me and ask for my help to fix the database errors. I said sure and explained what details were needed from Enzo. He never provided these to Idrees.

I also spoke to Enzo on the phone when it all went down, and offered to give some technical perspective on the errors.

By not following through or getting technical help from anyone who offered it, he effectively left his website to die.

The copying was because if it had played out the same without the new site, UKSC would still plagued with DB errors and now dead with all that data gone forever.

Im fed up of getting dragged into recurring arguments. So im out.

 

[bucketep91]

Even if geo pulled the plug on uksc it doesnt give anyone the rights to the content it was stolen, plain and simple.

You guys done enough damage to uksc so why would geo let any of you near it again?

 

[Phil]

BEcause even if people had wanted to go back we couldnt.

what you are or are not in a position to now do, doesnt change what was done.
remember facts can be factors but they are neither an apology nor an admittance that what has been done was wrong.

When the whole thing went down, Enzo said he was giving control of the whole thing to Idrees.

Idrees phoned me and ask for my help to fix the database errors. I said sure and explained what details were needed from Enzo. He never provided these to Idrees.

I also spoke to Enzo on the phone when it all went down, and offered to give some technical perspective on the errors.

By not following through or getting technical help from anyone who offered it, he effectively left his website to die.

The above scenario sounds far from ideal i accept that, especially if you add in Enzo already having suspicions of an internal hack on HIS forum.

But at this stage you can see that he as the owner, gave permission or control to Idrees, far from handing over ownership i would suggest. similar to the theory above about a car, i as the owner could give permission for a friend to work on it, but not own it.

Additionally regarding leaving his website to die, i think its pretty clear from this thread that Enzo is infuriated by the very thought that HIS website has actually died, but he did have the right to let it die no question about it.

And im sure this is why your fed up arguing, your explanation of why yous have done something totally wrong has failed to make it right.



Phil

 

[turboloon]

it was down right under handed the way you guys dealt with enzo,and you did steal 8-10 years worth of his website,there are certain moderators over on that site have certainly shown their true colors...THEIFS!!

 

[dan_ep82]

what a bunch of fucking idiots. taking someones content if theft, even if it was 'for the greater good' as you guys like to call it. who are you to make that decision? if people cant understand that then there fucking retarded.

 

[Lawrence]

i dont really understand whats gone on but personally i feel sorry for this guy paying for the forum out of his own money building it up and then people took over it? Wrong