Can I put standard 1.3 block into my glanza v

SKINY

Lifer
Sounds like you have a couple off experts close to you bud :)
I would go the bolt on turbo route, forget about the engine, gearbox etc and get a piggyback ECU, the greedy e-manage is popular as a piggyback and your ECU expert should be able to do it
Parts you would need to do a bolt on conversion would be, turbo, manifold, downpipe/decat, intake manifold, intercooler, air intake pipe and probably a few other bits I've forgotten, when in was doing the swap on my Glanza rep I was on budget for All the parts for 400£ all from local boys, Mainly Jay lol. The electrical side i was going to use a GT ECU and engine loom and splice it in to the Name loom, looking back I would just get a piggyback, saves any messing with wiring as the ECU will have its own MAP sensor to sort the turbo and fueling etc out :)

There are lots of more experienced folk on here could tell you the pros and cons and hopefully we can help you get sorted, I have an intercooler and intake pipes. Maybe a few other bits you would need not at a stupid price either

Car looks very clean, lovely in silver

Edit, the EBay engines are essentially just that, engines, nothing else like turbo etc
 

Jay

Admin
Good to see the car in question. I'm going to speak from the viewpoint you are sticking with the current engine and strapping on the required hardware.

One thing of note, your vehicle differs from the Starlet 4EFE in that it has a distributorless ignition system (DIS).

This complicates things slightly in that the 4EFTE runs a distributor and thus adapting the ECU from one into the mix could turn it into a proper head-scratcher. I've always wondered if the DIS version of the 4EFE would lend itself to a turbo application. It definitely has it's benefits.

Track down whoever is going to tune it and seek his advice on engine management systems. If he is onboard from the beginning it will make the middle and late chapters a bit easier. Stick to what his experience says will work. A piggyback or stand-alone system should make things a lot simpler from the off.

Quick tip, don't get drawn into running what everyone else is running on here. No point fitting something that you can't get tuned. For example emanage is often mentioned and at this moment I wouldn't be able to get someone to set one up. It's gone out of favour with local tuners and they don't rate it anyway.

One thing in your favour is that a Subaru tuner will have seen a lot of crazy and shouldn't be put off by anything a 1.3 presents him with. Tell him to keep you a good TD04 turbo aside :)
 

SKINY

Lifer
When they do the cop conversions on the gt-fours they are normally running cams and a few other mods, they say they can control the spark better and it's a more advanced system. Also suitable for higher hp as more control, the same would apply to starlet conversions :)
Like Jay said, speak to your tuner before you commit to anything bud
ECU master is another piggy back I've seen Fensport uk start to supply and use lately with great feedback,
The e-manage is popular on the UK mainland but in Northern Ireland nobody's wanting to touch them, maybe a bad example but the 1st I could think off :) don't shoot me Jay :p
 

Frankieflowers

Fresh Recruit
Good to see the car in question. I'm going to speak from the viewpoint you are sticking with the current engine and strapping on the required hardware.

One thing of note, your vehicle differs from the Starlet 4EFE in that it has a distributorless ignition system (DIS).

This complicates things slightly in that the 4EFTE runs a distributor and thus adapting the ECU from one into the mix could turn it into a proper head-scratcher. I've always wondered if the DIS version of the 4EFE would lend itself to a turbo application. It definitely has it's benefits.

Track down whoever is going to tune it and seek his advice on engine management systems. If he is onboard from the beginning it will make the middle and late chapters a bit easier. Stick to what his experience says will work. A piggyback or stand-alone system should make things a lot simpler from the off.

Quick tip, don't get drawn into running what everyone else is running on here. No point fitting something that you can't get tuned. For example emanage is often mentioned and at this moment I wouldn't be able to get someone to set one up. It's gone out of favour with local tuners and they don't rate it anyway.

One thing in your favour is that a Subaru tuner will have seen a lot of crazy and shouldn't be put off by anything a 1.3 presents him with. Tell him to keep you a good TD04 turbo aside :)
What you’re telling me is that a swap with the 4EFTE is not convenient and it will be trouble? All I read until now seemed to bring me towards this decision because of its benefits as changing the complete engine would make it run smoothly. I really don’t know what to say because I don’t have the expertise and I am not sure what my mechanic will be able to do with my higher compressed 4EFE. At this point if you guys can share a list of pieces I must buy, then I will check the prices and availability and see if it can happen. I would share the list with my mechanic and decide. I really don’t mind putting a turbo on my engine instead of swapping it with another one but my mileage is high and I don’t know how much it would last. I have 235k Km. Opening the engine for origination would cost me a lot of money here and I would have to buy 600 euros pistons.
 

Jay

Admin
Umm, nothing is convenient in this scenario lol.

So in terms of plugging and playing:

I've swapped an e11 4EFE into a GT turbo shell and the DIS system is not straight plug in and play. The wiring is different so the 4EFTE ECU was looking for a distributor that wasn't there. Thankfully I was able to retrofit a 4EFTE ignition system (distributor, plugleads, coil and ignitor) and ignore the DIS crank position sensor completely. The 4EFTE ECU doesn't know it exists so I could leave it unplugged.

You would be doing it the other way so to make the 4EFTE suit your 4EFE wiring and ECU you would need to delete the distributor from the 4EFTE and retrofit your 4EFE DIS parts across. The one thing I see an issue with is that crank position sensor. The 4EFTE doesn't have one. There could be a bit of work getting the old one swapped across. I can't entirely remember but I'm near sure it's housed in the oil pump assembly but not 100%. The crank pulley has a trigger wheel on it as well that would need transferred too. Now bear in mind that once the 4EFTE is fitted to your shell it will run and function as the 4EFE did. Lower compression means that it will be a little lazier to rev but overall it's just a stronger engine running stock tune.

That's when the engine management comes into play.

Just out of interest how available are 4EFE engines in your area?
 

Frankieflowers

Fresh Recruit
Just out of interest how available are 4EFE engines in your area?
4EFTE engines are impossible to find in Italy. I was going to buy it from the UK. Plan was to get one for 1600 pounds. This price without the gearbox. I would use my 4EFE box. What do you think?
 

Jay

Admin
I mean 4EFE like your current one - are they obtainable secondhand?

As chance would have it I was emailed by someone in Greece asking for wiring diagrams. He's looking to 4EFTE his E11 as well. Will ask him how he's going about it :)
 

Jay

Admin
Just remembered about this thread when replying to someone else:


Looks very much like a turbo 4EFE with the DIS system. Fire him a few messages on Youtube to see how he's getting on.
 

Frankieflowers

Fresh Recruit
I mean 4EFE like your current one - are they obtainable secondhand?
When I checked I found one for about €700. I don’t know about the mileage but again if I don’t know the total cost for the regeneration and turbo charge plus all the components to put together as I will need the 4efte manifold etc I really need a list. I will check out the video and shoot the guy a message. In the meantime my question is for you. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Wouldn’t it be easier for the same price to buy a four engine with a turbo as a manufacture that way and swap it with the 4EFE? Or would you hunt for conversion information to turbo charge your original 4efe engine with 235k Km?
 

Frankieflowers

Fresh Recruit
Umm, nothing is convenient in this scenario lol.

So in terms of plugging and playing:

I've swapped an e11 4EFE into a GT turbo shell and the DIS system is not straight plug in and play. The wiring is different so the 4EFTE ECU was looking for a distributor that wasn't there. Thankfully I was able to retrofit a 4EFTE ignition system (distributor, plugleads, coil and ignitor) and ignore the DIS crank position sensor completely. The 4EFTE ECU doesn't know it exists so I could leave it unplugged.

You would be doing it the other way so to make the 4EFTE suit your 4EFE wiring and ECU you would need to delete the distributor from the 4EFTE and retrofit your 4EFE DIS parts across. The one thing I see an issue with is that crank position sensor. The 4EFTE doesn't have one. There could be a bit of work getting the old one swapped across. I can't entirely remember but I'm near sure it's housed in the oil pump assembly but not 100%. The crank pulley has a trigger wheel on it as well that would need transferred too. Now bear in mind that once the 4EFTE is fitted to your shell it will run and function as the 4EFE did. Lower compression means that it will be a little lazier to rev but overall it's just a stronger engine running stock tune.

That's when the engine management comes into play.

Just out of interest how available are 4EFE engines in your area?
I was reading this again and I got a question for you. This scenario is considered when I get the fool 4efte engine with its wiring, loom, fuse box and ECU, turbo and IC removed without cuts and ready for swap? I would use the 4EFTE ECU and plug-in all the fuse wires in the Corolla fuse box. Adapt the intercooler and the ct9b turbo to the Corolla 4efe inlet as @Sam44 told me it is more efficient. Is this scenario fantasy or it is really straightforward as I heard? if it’s not then my Subaru mechanic won’t do it because we planned at 800 euros labor to make it happen. He won’t let me or any else in the shop to help him.
 

RoyalDutchie

Member +
Please also take into consideration all changes to maintenance after the swap. Only your Subaru mechanic will know all the ins and outs of your car which can be a disadvantage in my opinion. All rewiring will be unknown to a mechanic working on it or even for yourself. Simple things like spark plugs that are to hot for the new turbo setup can happen if the mechanic working on it thinks it just needs 4efe spark plugs(Would do this kind of maintenance yourself if you arn't doing this already).

Just run the 4efte as is in the car. Do not swap your inlet before knowing it all works as is. The manifold from the corolla also doesn't have all the connections that the 4efte manifold does have. Inlet temp sensor of the 4efte doesn't fit without customizing.

Sidenote(personal opinion):

I wouldn't do a swap if I didn't do it myself. Labor cost can add up surprisingly quickly because of the many things that can go wrong(rate here is about 70 euros a hour). The cost isn't the main reason though. Swapping it yourself a learning experience like no other. you'll know all the ins and outs of the swap which is not only necessary to correctly maintain your swapped car it may also be crucial information you can supply to the garage once things break you can't fix yourself. This is not do demotivate you, but all perspectives until now seem to be positive towards your swap(do not get me wrong this swap is amazing no doubt about it). A negative one towards your swap plans should be supplied as well to highlight the risk your taking and of course the not so nice part of the swap.
 

Jay

Admin
Honestly?

I'd bolt on a turbo (with associated bits), wire in some aftermarket management and boost the stock engine. It'll probably not set the world on fire but it would offer a slight power upgrade.

In the background buy a spare 4EFE block, 4EFTE pistons/rods/cams/springs, decent clutch and build plan B.

But then again I'm just a bad influence :D
 

Frankieflowers

Fresh Recruit
Please also take into consideration all changes to maintenance after the swap. Only your Subaru mechanic will know all the ins and outs of your car which can be a disadvantage in my opinion. All rewiring will be unknown to a mechanic working on it or even for yourself. Simple things like spark plugs that are to hot for the new turbo setup can happen if the mechanic working on it thinks it just needs 4efe spark plugs(Would do this kind of maintenance yourself if you arn't doing this already).

Just run the 4efte as is in the car. Do not swap your inlet before knowing it all works as is. The manifold from the corolla also doesn't have all the connections that the 4efte manifold does have. Inlet temp sensor of the 4efte doesn't fit without customizing.

Sidenote(personal opinion):

I wouldn't do a swap if I didn't do it myself. Labor cost can add up surprisingly quickly because of the many things that can go wrong(rate here is about 70 euros a hour). The cost isn't the main reason though. Swapping it yourself a learning experience like no other. you'll know all the ins and outs of the swap which is not only necessary to correctly maintain your swapped car it may also be crucial information you can supply to the garage once things break you can't fix yourself. This is not do demotivate you, but all perspectives until now seem to be positive towards your swap(do not get me wrong this swap is amazing no doubt about it). A negative one towards your swap plans should be supplied as well to highlight the risk your taking and of course the not so nice part of the swap.
I agree. My older brother told me the same thing. I thought that putting in my car an original turbo engine and tuning it for a daily use around 180 hp would have been fun. I decided not to buy a used turbo car instead I pictured my Corolla as a nice tuning car. I honestly cannot do the swap by myself because I don’t have the tools and a partner that would help me through the process. I am an audio expert. I am good with the sound engineering and definitely car stereo systems are my world. Anyway I will not stop and will try to get this done because I already spent €4000 for this car and I don’t like to leave things halfway.
 
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Lifer
Honestly?

I'd bolt on a turbo (with associated bits), wire in some aftermarket management and boost the stock engine. It'll probably not set the world on fire but it would offer a slight power upgrade.

In the background buy a spare 4EFE block, 4EFTE pistons/rods/cams/springs, decent clutch and build plan B.

But then again I'm just a bad influence :D
Very Very Very bad influence :rolleyes: :D

That's the way I'd go
 

Jay

Admin
In fact I'd go even further and not bother with 'proper' management. A mapconvertor would fool the 4efe ecu into allowing boost. But a tuner would need to be on board to check air/fuel ratios.

As I said, bad influence.
 

Frankieflowers

Fresh Recruit
Honestly?

I'd bolt on a turbo (with associated bits), wire in some aftermarket management and boost the stock engine. It'll probably not set the world on fire but it would offer a slight power upgrade.

In the background buy a spare 4EFE block, 4EFTE pistons/rods/cams/springs, decent clutch and build plan B.

But then again I'm just a bad influence :D
I would do so but I don’t have the budget to buy another 4EFE for about €700 and buy all the pieces to upgrade my engine. I spoke to the guy from Greece that you pointed out and he help me put an approximate list together for about 1200 pounds. some parts are impossible to find like the bracket sub assy oil filter. I will share the list.
 

Frankieflowers

Fresh Recruit
Here’s the list for the 4EFE conversion from Charis Ioil (The guy from Greece who did the amazing for 4EFE turbo conversion).

cr9 hybrid turbo £333
Bracket sub assy oil filter 15677-11011 £?
Gasket for oil pan drain (oil sump) 12101-11100 £50
Housing water outlet 16333-11140 £?
Front intercooler (like Jap Speed Kit) £299
Glanza turbo power steering £106
PIGGYBACK e-manage Blue £190
Fuel pump with adjustable fuel pressure reg £88
Cooling radiator overhaul package £214
Honda Civic aluminum half radiator £300
Turbo exhaust manifold (4efte replica) £99
 

Frankieflowers

Fresh Recruit
There are lots of more experienced folk on here could tell you the pros and cons and hopefully we can help you get sorted, I have an intercooler and intake pipes. Maybe a few other bits you would need not at a stupid price either
Can we talk about the full list and see which parts I can buy from you? Also check out my last post with all the tips he guy from Greece gave me.
 

RoyalDutchie

Member +
I would go with a det3 from ecumaster if you go for a piggyback. they are 160 euros new. Making a plug and play loom may cost about 50 euros. Depending on local tuners the emanage or the det3 is the way to go. Mapping will cost a fair amount of cash.

The 4efe is really expensive in your country. Here you can buy a full car with 4efe for 700 euros :eek:
 
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