***Closing the Classifieds Section***

[Wills21]

Is there any way of making tgtt a proper motor club??
Assign area rep's, anybody looking to join has to meet with their local area rep, fill in an application form with current address and show a proof of address.

I know Dylan you said earlier that this information cannot be held but can it if tgtt is registered as a proper motor club??
After registering you are given a membership card with a membership number which you need to sell goods online?
Members can still join the site as normal and post as normal but to become a full member you have to go through this process

It may be to much but may also be worth looking into

 

[GT-TD04]

Is there any way of making tgtt a proper motor club??
Assign area rep's, anybody looking to join has to meet with their local area rep, fill in an application form with current address and show a proof of address.

I know Dylan you said earlier that this information cannot be held but can it if tgtt is registered as a proper motor club??
After registering you are given a membership card with a membership number which you need to sell goods online?
Members can still join the site as normal and post as normal but to become a full member you have to go through this process

It may be to much but may also be worth looking into

They do similar on ISDC but there based in Ireland,not sure what they do for outside Ireland.

That'd be alot of hassle considering how many join.

But say i met up with you,considering im the leinster rep,how do i distinguish your telling the truth?

 

[gv1.3]

Thanks for the suggestion bro.

Apart from the legal reasons why this cannot be done right now (I cant really go in to them) it would be way too much for us to manage at the moment.

The only real options that are available to us are close the classifieds down or leave them running, add additional requirements and let the buyer beware. Anything above and beyond that are not really options to us right now.

 

[Wills21]

They do similar on ISDC but there based in Ireland,not sure what they do for outside Ireland.

That'd be alot of hassle considering how many join.

But say i met up with you,considering im the leinster rep,how do i distinguish your telling the truth?

It would be a big job alright.
By me showing you proof of address eg. my drivers license with my picture and address.

 

[GT-TD04]

It would be a big job alright.
By me showing you proof of address eg. my drivers license with my picture and address.

As per Dylan it'd still be a bit of a nightmare,plus all the people id be meeting showing me licenses would look odd lol.

I may get some meets going to get more people know,my fault that due to ongoing wok on the car and a lack of money

 

[Wills21]

Thanks for the suggestion bro.

Apart from the legal reasons why this cannot be done right now (I cant really go in to them) it would be way too much for us to manage at the moment.

The only real options that are available to us are close the classifieds down or leave them running, add additional requirements and let the buyer beware. Anything above and beyond that are not really options to us right now.

Cool, then as said earlier upping the post counts would be the best option for now i think.

 

[Wills21]

As per Dylan it'd still be a bit of a nightmare,plus all the people id be meeting showing me licenses would look odd lol.

I may get some meets going to get more people know,my fault that due to ongoing wok on the car and a lack of money

Thats true alright, it's just a rough idea anyway lol maybe one for the future

 

[Fro]

As above, ive sold a few parts via this site but havent been left much feedback.

I think the aforementioned paid subscription to enter the classified section would be a good idea, similar to mlr, but im sure it has its pros and cons?

And for the post counts, i will admit ive posted my fair share of shite, but i do try to search the forum and reasearch before i start a thread which i think alot of people may also do, and as for posts only counting in tech sections, people like myself that know squat compared to others may suffer, but thats maybe a sacrafice that will need to be made?

Just thought id have a bit of input, hope it hasnt been covered. Im sure you mods will make a correct fair decision as your a cracking bunch and dont get enought appreciation! :kiss:

It is a shame its come to this though

 

[Hazzagray]

Is there no way to verisign things?

for example, in compliance with DPA have a system to verify whether a credit card is registered at that address, same applies for a debit card? used by mods of course.

does that make sense at all?

I dont have the post count and dont want to post meaningless things!

With this system, you dont need to keep the details, simply check to see whether the details are correct then if they are carry on. it would mean the mods may do a bit more work verifying things but it would certainly confirm if the buyer was legit, and you could do the same with a receiving account aswell.

I do think that it being a proper motorclub could be beneficial aswell. i tihkn any way we look at it it will never be 100% safe and it will without doubt give u mods a bit more to do....

When posting anything up for sale, the seller could also be questioned by a mod as to the reason for sale, how delivery will be made, what type (RM first class signed etc). costs and the rest then let the thread be posted at the discretion of the mods?

 

[gv1.3]

Thank you all for the suggestions and ideas. We are currently formulating our strategy for the classifieds section and will report back to you all soon. This thread has been very useful.

Just to give you a general idea of where things stand at the moment:

-The second busiest section on the site is the classifieds section
-Mods currently have to check every single new thread to make sure it is composed correctly, follows the rules and has pictures etc before manually approving the thread
-We cannot run a system where we verify members identity. It is not an option for us for many reasons
-There are not many sites out there that provide protection for online transactions. Ebay is the biggest online marketplace in the world and its users are still ripped off by scammers even with all of the money Ebay invests in its company. We are tiny in comparison and so if they cannot prevent bad sales we have no hope.
-The classifieds section is a place for private sales between two parties with no protection from TGTT or liability to TGTT.
-We can make it unattractive/difficult for people who want to signup and immediately sell stuff
-We can make the process for selling so difficult that nobody will bother jumping through all of the hoops, this will negatively impact what secondhand parts are available to members.
-With the simple template rule today a large number of people cannot even follow that despite us putting a rule system in place that forces members to read the rules and accept them before they can post a new thread.
-Buyer beware
-There will be no one solution that everyone agrees on. Some moan about the rules we have today. Others want everyone to be able to trade and some would be happy if we put 100 hoops to jump through when selling. We need to take a measured and balanced approach.
-The vast vast majority of private sales happen without any problems

Above are just some thoughts so you have an idea of what is in our minds as we go to make process/rules changes.

 

[MattyR]

Anyone that doesnt post an item or sell's somthing faulty should be banned!

 

[Tanz]

This has been a great thread to read and has given myself and himself something a bit different to have a good debate about....

Ive enjoyed reading and seeing the ideas and taughts people have on the matter and i dont think i am alone on saying that the majority want to try help the staff find some sort of resolution to this altough it will be impossible to have it bullet proof...

Alot of the main views mentioned i would share also with a few more of my own...

I think the pm system should be looked at also...
as this goes hand and hand with trading and selling...
Imo i think that site members should only be allowed use the pm system, with the exception of new and registered users only being able to pm the staff..

Also i think that when ye have come to yer resolve on the issue and have implemented the new rules, that on each for sale thread posted a disclaimer pop up should pop up when someone opens the post just as a quick and short reminder to read the sellers feedback and with a link to it....

 

[12345678]

a higher post count 200 would be about right

although in saying that, there is already enough rubbish talked on here by people that 'know it all'
could an idea be where if people want to sell they put down a sizeable deposit, which the site holds until all items have recieved feedback? or would that be a moderation nightmare?

 

[GlanzaMat]

i havent read the whole 9 pages; but have you considered a scoring system?

i'm a regular on www.passionford.com and we have a trade score system; a bit like ebay whereby the seller is left good or bad feedback - it works extreamly well. It certainly cuts out the scammers & rip off merchants

just a suggestion

 

[pc18]

we have done in the past!

Personally I like the idea of upping the post count... and maybe the length of time you have been a member... perhaps increase this to 3 months.

i think this is a good idea.

 

[The_Notorious_C_A_T]

In my opinion, the do able and not over the top options are:

-Include a trader profile in the users info area like where the rep level is as well, but thats ONLY for trading, rep would be seperate as thats like for useful info or helping folk out.

-Increase the post counts a wee bit/length of time before they can post sale threads.

As stated though, sales will never be 100% as I've seen a few sale threads go bad due to the user leaving the scene if you get me. Alot is down to users being careful, although that still doesn't guarantee anything.