FMIC comparisons - King thread
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gorganl2000
Lifer
http://toyotagtturbo.com/showthread.php?t=2065&highlight=greddy+FMIC
supanova's pictures....i'm going to use this as a comparison.....Supanova, i hope u dont mind
i realised both of you guys trimmed the bumper to suit your needs...and sicaln, u removed the entire "mid" section......BUT u did not have to if u did not want to
---i assume u wanted more airflow to the intercooler.....as supanova left in a lot of his "mid" section (though he admitted he was not the best with a saw)......in fact, one could have even left in the small verticle bars in the bumper if they choose---u just have to be patient in using the grinder/sander to slowly take away material from the bumper---mostly in the corner area where the hose connections go
that's why i say the greddy unit gives u the choice of keeping the stock look....whereas a few kits do not (you HAVE to shave/trim a LOT)
and the bumper is not shaved to within mm of its life either
....and on the note of that pipe which goes over the rocker cover....that's the ONLY part of the greddy kit i dont like......however, i've realised that u can make a custom pipe (like how wepr's kit does which goes from the compressor over the radiator side and down)...to join the rest of the greddy piping unit if required----take a look as wepr's kit and u will see exactly what i mean ..........thhis way u get rid of that 1st greddy "U" shaped pipe...with an alternate route "U" shaped pipe (going in a different direction all together....and it should not cost much to have such a pipe done up
gorganl2000
Lifer
oh yeah...i guess i can add various oem intercoolers which have been used by the starlet community as part of custom FMIC kits
- mitsubishi VR4 --works well
- mitsubishi starion ---slight mods required to tanks,,,,works well
- mitsubishi evolution ---usually 111---works well
- nissam pulsar ---requires some modification and slightly more difficult to front mount than the others
- toyota ep82/91 oem tmic---may require slight mods to end tanks...might be best u save your money till u can afford a proper fmic
- toyota supra---same as ep82/91 above
- mazda RX7 tmic---slight mods may be required for end tanks...works pretty good.....one of the aus guys once welded two cores together and worked out very well on his 11 second car
- mitsubishi VR4 --works well
- mitsubishi starion ---slight mods required to tanks,,,,works well
- mitsubishi evolution ---usually 111---works well
- nissam pulsar ---requires some modification and slightly more difficult to front mount than the others
- toyota ep82/91 oem tmic---may require slight mods to end tanks...might be best u save your money till u can afford a proper fmic
- toyota supra---same as ep82/91 above
- mazda RX7 tmic---slight mods may be required for end tanks...works pretty good.....one of the aus guys once welded two cores together and worked out very well on his 11 second car
Kelly
Member +
I have an automatic EP82 and have a FMIC off Sacha - WickedEP and i think the pipe route isnt bad at all when comparing to others. The bumper had be shaved a lil bit behind but nowhere near anything else ive ever seen. The silicone bend at the top was a must but doesnt come with the kit, i just happened to have one lying around thankfully
sx_turbo
Lifer
x 2, preferably a pic of the piping route
sx_turbo
Lifer
xs power have stopped making that core, you used to buy them from autofixed, they now do another intercooler kit, using different pipework, and intercooler.
when they were originally out each kit had to be hand made onto the car.
http://www.autofixed.co.uk/
they used to be a registered trader on the old site, i dont know why there not now though.
Franza1
Supermoderator & Area Reps Manager
I'm Usin the WEPR one, really good bit of kit highly recomended. Mine has since been modified a bit to accomodate the Front Mounted filter. and this seems to be the only bit of chritisim i have about it if the pipe down from the turbo was moved another inch to the Drivers side of the car it would have been spot on.
gorganl2000
Lifer
thanks monkfish and kelly for those pics
@ kelly---from the pics it looks like u have modified the turbo side (compressor) piping route.....i dont see the usual "U" which sometimes gives a little trouble in the radiator area...if this is the case,,,where did u re-route to (maybe u rotated the compressor down to save some piping??)
i think xspower might have been pete's kit i mentioned earlier....please correct me if i am wrong
@ kelly---from the pics it looks like u have modified the turbo side (compressor) piping route.....i dont see the usual "U" which sometimes gives a little trouble in the radiator area...if this is the case,,,where did u re-route to (maybe u rotated the compressor down to save some piping??)
i think xspower might have been pete's kit i mentioned earlier....please correct me if i am wrong
sx_turbo
Lifer
gorganl2000
Lifer
based on the comments so far.....i think for the price, fitting, bling and the performance of wepr's kit...that if some1 cant afford one of the brand name ones.....that wepr's kit would appear to be a good choice
the reason a lot of trimming/shaving is not required seems to be due to the thickness on the intercooler itself....about 2"...versus many other kits which vary from 2.5"-4"
the reason a lot of trimming/shaving is not required seems to be due to the thickness on the intercooler itself....about 2"...versus many other kits which vary from 2.5"-4"
gorganl2000
Lifer
see my laste post, i confirm you are correct
thanks sx-turbo......well...then i know a few members who ran this kit without issue...good feedback it received..again the intercooler was not excessive, but did the job-----BASED on members feedback
well considering price, its probally about one of the cheapest and one of the best piping routes. lol.
especially with the exchange rate at the moment. lol
EP824U
Member +
I really like the wepr kit but looking at sum peoples cars with it puts me off buying it abit as some of the pipework hangs below the bumper on some starlets, has any1 got a pic of a wepr that is nicely tucked in as it may just be how some people have fitted them? the xs power 1 monkfish has got looks perfect, but not on sale anymore
supernova
Member +
Here's my input on this... I've had both the GReddy and Blitz LM intercoolers. Here's a pic comparison
As you can see, the Blitz core absolutely dwarfs the GReddy one, nearly twice the size, but i can't really see the point of having such a large core on a starlet no matter what power your running. Especially having to remove the crash bar. I think the GReddy core is large enough for all applications. Piping on the Blitz is really long too and the outlet on the turbo pipe to the bov is too small so you get alot of chatter and renders the bov pretty much useless, like running no bov. The GReddy kit also looks alot more better made with bracings on the piping ( Although my bracing have broken off but still ok).
Out of the JDM coolers, I would recommend the GReddy.
As you can see, the Blitz core absolutely dwarfs the GReddy one, nearly twice the size, but i can't really see the point of having such a large core on a starlet no matter what power your running. Especially having to remove the crash bar. I think the GReddy core is large enough for all applications. Piping on the Blitz is really long too and the outlet on the turbo pipe to the bov is too small so you get alot of chatter and renders the bov pretty much useless, like running no bov. The GReddy kit also looks alot more better made with bracings on the piping ( Although my bracing have broken off but still ok).
Out of the JDM coolers, I would recommend the GReddy.
gorganl2000
Lifer
supanova makes a very good point...which i think members need to consider and brings me to another related point
why get an excessively tall or lengthy intercooler core (let's say 10"-12" tall and 26"-28" long) and your bumper "free space--air flow section" only allows for a height of let's say 8" and 22" long......this means the rest of the intercooler is basically sitting behind the border of the bumper and does reduce/little or worse no cooling at all
i hope u understand what i'm trying to say properly....lol
why get an excessively tall or lengthy intercooler core (let's say 10"-12" tall and 26"-28" long) and your bumper "free space--air flow section" only allows for a height of let's say 8" and 22" long......this means the rest of the intercooler is basically sitting behind the border of the bumper and does reduce/little or worse no cooling at all
i hope u understand what i'm trying to say properly....lol
EP824U
Member +
yeh I get you, basically theres no point in having a massive intercooler if half of its surface area is covered up by the bumper