Good 5e TD04/5 set up recommendations.

DudFunk

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Basically as the title says Im about to take the plunge and go 5e just have a few questions as Im new to modding so if I get anything wrong or you can recommend better alternatives please feel free to share them with me

Would I need to go forged to run a TD04/5 on stock 5e internals with decent boost?what size injectors would you recommend?Planning on getting an Emanage Ultimate would you recommend an alternative?With that ECU would I still require adjustable fuel reg?

My ultimate goal is not the highest horsepower possible but to get a faster spool from this bigger turbo so im planning on aftermarket intake manifold,external wastegate,decat,full cat back exhaust and an aftermarket air intake. (recommendations on air intake?) Have I missed anything?

Also be getting custom headwork done further down the road once more budget comes available.

Is there anything else I can do to get faster spool besides a good map?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :beer:
 

AdamB

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You will need to go forged to make the most of the turbo's you listed. Depending on what the car is going to be used for I would opt to run the td05 because it will be more efficient than the td04, will be slightly more laggier but it will keep intake temps cooler.

You should look to run something like 440cc, 550cc injectors, do use an adjustable fuel pressure regulator as it will allow your tuner to make your injectors go further.

Depending on what kit you go for you'll need to change to a civic rad as some manifolds aren't compatible with the stock unit.

You can't have both fast spool and power, if your looking for spool just run the td04, and a fairly high compression ratio 8.2:1 +, however don't expect this to work well on track like I listed above, intake temps with the td04 at anything more than 1.2 bar for a period of time increases intake temps and more likely to suffer high EGT's.
 

DudFunk

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Thank you for the advice and as I stated Im looking for fast spool not big power this will be for fast road use and the occasional track day not looking to break records just want a good responsive setup.

I was going to put in a new alloy rad regardless but thanks for letting me know there may be clearance issues, there may also be clearance issues with the A/C too depending on kit is that right?

Well your comments and comments on other forums confirmed my fears that I will need to go forged only have 4K atm didn't want to spend it all on forging oh well if it has to be done it has to be done thank you for your help
 

AdamB

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Run a td04 then mate, will still make 280bhp with a heap of torque ;)

I would ditch the air con anyway, only takes 10 mins to remove and is useless anyway, never gets used.
You could run the td04 on stock internals, but your going to have to swap to the 4e low comp pistons anyway, so as the engine is apart it just makes sense to replace components with stronger items.
 

DudFunk

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Thank you very much for your help mate I really do appreciate it. Yea from what I have been reading the TD04 seems to be exactly what Im looking for just have to decide whether to go Hybrid or not now :p
 

AdamB

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I'm not really a fan of hybrids tbh, I don't think they make that much more power than a stock unit, and will only increase the lag slightly as well due to the heavier compressor wheel. Everyone has their own opinion though :)
 

DudFunk

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I thought it was the housing that was different?I definitely need to research them more before I decide :p
 

Phil

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personally id go big turbo before forging or opening the engine :)

you will need a turbo kit and probably ECU, to start. you may need more bits after a while.

but i wouldnt go forged straight off the bat in a search for a usuable 250+hp

Phil

EDIT ps i agree with AdamB absolutely on the hybrid turbo front. never seen any proof that has convinced me a td04 hybrid is worth the money over a stock td04 unit.
 

DudFunk

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personally id go big turbo before forging or opening the engine :)

you will need a turbo kit and probably ECU, to start. you may need more bits after a while.

but i wouldnt go forged straight off the bat in a search for a usuable 250+hp

Phil

EDIT ps i agree with AdamB absolutely on the hybrid turbo front. never seen any proof that has convinced me a td04 hybrid is worth the money over a stock td04 unit.

Turbo kit,ecu,injectors,fuel pump,afr and a good map and obviously the engine conversion itself so a few bits would be needed alright :D

To be honest that kind of power would be incredible for my needs I dont need bigger numbers. What would be a realistic spool time to achieve?Running TD04@1.0 with decat,full cat back,5e intake manifold,stainless externally wastegated mani and a good map?

Also was thinking of going WEPR for the turbo kit havnt seen as many zisco kits about is there any perticular reason for this?
 

AdamB

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The housing is no different, they do get slightly bored out to accomodate a larger compressor wheel. Me personally don't think this is a great way to go about getting more power from a turbo. It's all about the efficiency on the turbine side.

Thing is with doing a 5e conversion, that the best thing to do is to swap over the 4e low comp pistons to begin with, don't wanna end up having to pull the engine back out again to replace components that you could have done in the first place, just seems a waste of time to me but everyone has their own way of doing things.

1 bar on a td04 running a 5e would probably be like 3000rpm, depends on the compression ratio as well as fuel used.
Both Zisco and wepr products are highly rated, so you won't go wrong with either. Me personally having owning a Zisco kit I can clearly see it is more designed for spool rather than all out power (this is on a garrett gt28 setup).

Another option is a Race-Tech kit, very good quality and looks the shit, but I've heard a few stories about them cracking on track when running a td04 setup, when pushing the limits like 1.4-1.5 bar the turbo starts to become inefficient and intake temps and EGT's increase resulting in the material becoming weak. On a larger turbo this wouldn't be a problem though providing the turbo is kept in its efficiency range. Saying that though you could run 1 bar on the td04 and still be safe :)
 
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DudFunk

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Thank you for the clarification and I can see what your problem is,the bigger wheel is just a cheap way of getting more power from a turbo would this be right?

Well I wont be doing the conversion myself all work will be done by professionals that have come recommended by other starlet owners so Im sure they know the ins and outs of what will need to be done and if they dont they wont be getting the work :)

I was leaning towards the WEPR kit but I dont have any real reason for this other than allot of other people are running them very successfully but now Im even more confused as to which I should go :haha:

EDIT: Rep'd Adam thanks very much for taking the time to answer my questions
 
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AdamB

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No problem mate anytime :)

Yeah thats correct, the larger wheel just flows more volume simply because its larger, if it doesn't make anymore power I would be worried lol.

You can't really go wrong with any of the kits mentioned, all down to preference really. I do believe Wepr offer a lifetime warranty on their products so you can't really go wrong! Only downside is that they are fairly far away if any trouble was to occur, although I wouldn't let that put you off! :)
 

wickedep

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we can provide the turbo kit with either the stock td04L or a hybrid td04L. the price difference is only $50usd between the two. its true and i've said this before, our hybrid is only designed to give a small increase in power over the stock td04L unit as its a very mild hybrid. we are also experimenting with a new billet td04L which should spool faster than the stock td04L and still allow a good increase in power over stock..spool up should be mad on a 5e. if you'd like to be one of the first to try these out..PM me..i can supply the billet kit at a very special price for any testers who are interested!! thanks.. :)

sacha
 
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