Rcd keeps tripping in mainboard

J25GTi

Lifer
Just to add cars do have an earth its a shared neutral and earth...

Don't quote me on the rcd thing I could be totally mixed up with something else, its been so long since I did anything with rcds its a bit fuzzy!

Give me a control panel and boiler room anyday...
 
Just to add cars do have an earth its a shared neutral and earth...

Don't quote me on the rcd thing I could be totally mixed up with something else, its been so long since I did anything with rcds its a bit fuzzy!

Give me a control panel and boiler room anyday...

Hahaha, im the same lad. Spent my time in a factory with my head stuck in panels doing motor control and pneumatic valve control most of the time. Id say if I fitted 5 RCD in the past 7 years id be lucky lol. Im not too well up on domestic or even commercial for that matter, its all Industrial I did so.
 

J25GTi

Lifer
X2
Boiler rooms controls, industrial and commercial only...

Just to add cars do have an earth its a shared neutral and earth...

Don't quote me on the rcd thing I could be totally mixed up with something else, its been so long since I did anything with rcds its a bit fuzzy!

Give me a control panel and boiler room anyday...

Hahaha, im the same lad. Spent my time in a factory with my head stuck in panels doing motor control and pneumatic valve control most of the time. Id say if I fitted 5 RCD in the past 7 years id be lucky lol. Im not too well up on domestic or even commercial for that matter, its all Industrial I did so.
 

lingl9z

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Cheers for all the help people, got hold of the landlord and he sent in a sparky, I explained I narrowed it down to the kitchen sockets and he tested them and one had a 0.02 a dead load, so he removed that leg and said it won't trip now but down overload that ring until new year when they rewire it!
 

J25GTi

Lifer
Cheers for all the help people, got hold of the landlord and he sent in a sparky, I explained I narrowed it down to the kitchen sockets and he tested them and one had a 0.02 a dead load, so he removed that leg and said it won't trip now but down overload that ring until new year when they rewire it!

So he put it down to a 16amp mcb?
 

toyobaz

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an rcd monitors the balance between live and neutral
basically what goes up the live must come back down the neutral
when a difference between live and neutral occurs it trips (ie leakage to earth)
 

Shorty

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So he put it down to a 16amp mcb?

Or a 20amp mcb would be fine for a 2.5mm radial wich it now is effectivly if he dropped a leg out between two points, if he left it on the 32 amp hes a nob as potentially you could pull to much down as 2.5mm radial is around 29amp max iirc. And just askin some one to not use heavy load is a risk in my eyes. All ways elliminate the possabillity of fault or danger. And going back slightly any cable buried less than 50mm in a wall must be rcd protected in acordence with 17th addition regs. I generaly use split load 10way boards as most people dont want to pay for 6-10 rcbo's in a cu. Only circuits not on rcd would be as stated earlier smokes, dedicated freezer supply, ect. On another slight note, it is dangerous not to be able to get to appliences plugs, as again new regs state that local isolation must apply to all appliences either by easy accsess to sockets or switched fused spurs. Saying that its not a fail on a pir test just would not comply to current regs so code 4 and would be recomended to be improved.
 

churcherj

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Or a 20amp mcb would be fine for a 2.5mm radial wich it now is effectivly if he dropped a leg out between two points, if he left it on the 32 amp hes a nob as potentially you could pull to much down as 2.5mm radial is around 29amp max iirc. And just askin some one to not use heavy load is a risk in my eyes. All ways elliminate the possabillity of fault or danger. And going back slightly any cable buried less than 50mm in a wall must be rcd protected in acordence with 17th addition regs. I generaly use split load 10way boards as most people dont want to pay for 6-10 rcbo's in a cu. Only circuits not on rcd would be as stated earlier smokes, dedicated freezer supply, ect. On another slight note, it is dangerous not to be able to get to appliences plugs, as again new regs state that local isolation must apply to all appliences either by easy accsess to sockets or switched fused spurs. Saying that its not a fail on a pir test just would not comply to current regs so code 4 and would be recomended to be improved.

do you think anyone cares tom?
 

J25GTi

Lifer
Is all of that basically exactly what I said earlier in the thread?

29a is only in perfect condition run in free air. De-rated your looking at 24/25a


Any cable not in mechanical protection must be rcd protected.

As for the freezers there is no need to improve as at the time it was installed it complied. As it does not comply now it does not make it dangerous etc. So a code 4 is the only code needing issued.

It did comply, it has never been dangerous and as long as it tests out okay there is no need for improvement
So he put it down to a 16amp mcb?



Or a 20amp mcb would be fine for a 2.5mm radial wich it now is effectivly if he dropped a leg out between two points, if he left it on the 32 amp hes a nob as potentially you could pull to much down as 2.5mm radial is around 29amp max iirc. And just askin some one to not use heavy load is a risk in my eyes. All ways elliminate the possabillity of fault or danger. And going back slightly any cable buried less than 50mm in a wall must be rcd protected in acordence with 17th addition regs. I generaly use split load 10way boards as most people dont want to pay for 6-10 rcbo's in a cu. Only circuits not on rcd would be as stated earlier smokes, dedicated freezer supply, ect. On another slight note, it is dangerous not to be able to get to appliences plugs, as again new regs state that local isolation must apply to all appliences either by easy accsess to sockets or switched fused spurs. Saying that its not a fail on a pir test just would not comply to current regs so code 4 and would be recomended to be improved.
 

lingl9z

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Not entirely sure tbh, he did say he was going to put something in just to be on the safe side and just never did it lol... would running a microwave / kettle (not both on at the same time and only for a short period) and a Freezer be okay on that? If not I'll get on to him to get back asap and sort it.

Thanks btw!
 

dan_ep82

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should be fine just for a short period, post another pic of the fuseboard and we should be able to see what hes changed and advise you further!
 

J25GTi

Lifer
X2 personally if he hasn't changed it for a lower rating I'd be getting him back.

should be fine just for a short period, post another pic of the fuseboard and we should be able to see what hes changed and advise you further!
 

Shorty

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As above, and j25gti my comment was in agreement with you i wasnt just trying to sound smart and was not suggesting it had to be improved just saying what we would mark it as on a periodic inspection. Was trying to reiterate as you said you mainly do pannels and i mainly do domestic these days.
 

J25GTi

Lifer
Ah sorry I mis understood! My bad!

Yeah hopefully the guy has de-rated the mcb!


As above, and j25gti my comment was in agreement with you i wasnt just trying to sound smart and was not suggesting it had to be improved just saying what we would mark it as on a periodic inspection. Was trying to reiterate as you said you mainly do pannels and i mainly do domestic these days.
 

lingl9z

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Lol... The guys done nothing at all to be bored! he basically opened all the sockets on the kitchen wall ring and removed one leg basically?
 

J25GTi

Lifer
Seems like a right fool to me!

I would get him back asap.

A ring main is a 2.5mm cable in a loop. A 2.5mm cable is rated to 25ish amps. And a ring main worksd on a 32amp mcb.

So with out a leg connected it becomes a radial cct and only rated to 25amps. So it should have at a maximum 20amp mcb on it.

Otherwise its a fire risk etc!
 

lingl9z

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Hmmm not entirely sure what this guys done, will see if I can get him back, for the time being the only socket I'm using is the freezer one!
 

Shorty

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as j25gti says he should either derate the mcb or better still renew the leg, but to remove it an fook off is a bit cowboy tbh. if theres not many sockets then derated to a 20a mcb will be more than fine and the cheaper option for the landlord but either one of the two options needs to be done.
 

lingl9z

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Hmm The leg he took out must have ran to my Washing Machine as that's dead now, will give him a call tomorrow see if he can get it sorted!
 
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