Who's Seen The Shit Going Down On UKSC!!

[Steve GT]

Lets look at it like this

Why did pretty much the whole admin team, moderators, traders and a hell of a lot of Members all come accross with us? It wasnt a spare of a moment thing everyone was unhappy with a certain person. Weve been having problems with said person for a while now. A bloke i had a hell of a lot of respect for and im deeply saddened weve had to go down this road but we've had to do this for everyone. Like yourselves were a family over there and we'll do whatever it takes to protect that.

Iv known matt for a long long time theres not a malicious bone in his body. He's being singled out cause he was the one who made the new site however its had the backing of Myself (ex UKSC Admin) our super mods, moderators and the rest of the staff plus traders too. Everyone seems Happier now and we can get back to how we was

All we ask for is an open mind in the matter and a bit of understanding. As i said this was an incredibaly hard decision for all of us

 

[socks]

Here are the terms and conditions Enzo wrote for UKSC:

Welcome to Uk Starlet Club - The Best Starlet Club in the UK!<br /><br />After registering you will be able to Join in on Descussions on the forum.<br />If you understand that this site will feed your Starlet habit,<br />Please dont hesitate in joining and showing your support.<br />Its free and always will be so come and Join in!

He removed all the legal stuff and replace it with the above...

As for members details, there all encrypted and stored.
If they want there user accounts removing and content deleting, they can let me know. Not an issue...

Myself and Everyone else didnt want to leave... Far from it. We even pleeded on some occasions... But we got told where to go...

 

[josheyboy006]

if you had seen the abuse and pure ignorants that came from enzo you would understand! you have to think. ALL the staff made this decision. now isnt that saying something? it has been disputed many times in the back end hence why no one saw it coming.. we all tried pushing the club forward. he just gave abuse and wanted money.
as loads of people have already said. This did NOT happen over night... he called us all cunts. he told us to fuck off more than one occasion. and all we wanted was to help make the forum grow and a more friendly place. did you all know he wanted to sell the club? we all said we would put some money together so we could take it on properly but he wanted a crazy number im not even going to say! and because we didnt give him the number he wanted, he let it crash earlier today. this is why we made the decision to just move on. we are all fed up with it all. something needed to change. the change has happened and it was the best thing to do. theres alot more to the story ( about 12 months worth ) but whats done is done

 

[GT-TD04]

Lets look at it like this

Why did pretty much the whole admin team, moderators, traders and a hell of a lot of Members all come accross with us? It wasnt a spare of a moment thing everyone was unhappy with a certain person. Weve been having problems with said person for a while now. A bloke i had a hell of a lot of respect for and im deeply saddened weve had to go down this road but we've had to do this for everyone. Like yourselves were a family over there and we'll do whatever it takes to protect that.

Iv known matt for a long long time theres not a malicious bone in his body. He's being singled out cause he was the one who made the new site however its had the backing of Myself (ex UKSC Admin) our super mods, moderators and the rest of the staff plus traders too. Everyone seems Happier now and we can get back to how we was

All we ask for is an open mind in the matter and a bit of understanding. As i said this was an incredibaly hard decision for all of us

I think the problem most people have is that while it may have been a hard decision,justified or not, for yourselves,UKSC members did not get a chance to make the decision,it was made for them.

Also,I know this topic has alot of feelings mixed up in it but please,don't let it erupt into something ugly.

 

[socks]

I think the problem most people have is that while it may have been a hard decision,justified or not, for yourselves,UKSC members did not get a chance to make the decision,it was made for them.

UKSC is still there running for them to use... but the option is there to use UKSO if they want...?
Its not a, choose one or the other....

 

[Steve GT]

wouldnt you guys get annoyed if this forum went down for 3 months at one point?

Then when it finially got sorted (Thanks to socks working for hours repairing tables etc in the back end) you continued to get downtime every month at the same time due to unpaid server costs even though traders paid there fees and members donated money to help the club. Then you had to try explain why the server bills havnt been paid?

Anyway whats done is done its for the best and we now have our community back thats the main thing

 

[Texx]

Regardless of the content or the reasons behind it, it still doesn't defer from the fact that a copy was taken of a database held on someone else's server without their prior consent. It's a dangerous game to play.

 

[weeJohn]

Personally, I dont want to be involved with people who did what has been done on UKSC/UKSO, I dont see how being told anything as a member of staff constitutes taking the material that was taken and in the manner it was done.

Why didnt the staff just resign from their positions if they were told to do that?

Why was there the need to poach so many members/posts/traders onto another site?

Why didnt the other site just pick up on its own accord without any disruption to the UKSC site if thats how everyone felt?

This whole episode stinks.

 

[pilgrim_fgau]

Don't know the ins and outs, and regardless of how enzo has been treating people/site, being the creator of the site, he owns all the rights to the site... by stealing the content etc this is massive infringement, the perpetrators wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court... very silly move IMO

 

[Nippon]

Its the data protection legeslation i would worry about.

Any UKSC member that can log into the UKSO site could make a complaint because they have had their information used for the purposes of a site they have not willingly signed up for.

I can log into the UKSO site. ive had no email informing me. I very rarely use UKSC.
Would not have known about any of this if I had not read this thread.

 

[Texx]

The database wouldn't contain personal data so the data protection act wouldn't apply. An email address and forum username/password doesn't constitute personal data.

 

[Texx]

In European Union law, database rights are specifically coded (i.e. sui generis) laws on the copying and dissemination of information in computer databases. These rights were first introduced in 1996.

A database right is considered to be a 'property right', comparable to but distinct from 'copyright', that exists to recognise the investment that is made in compiling a database, even when this does not involve the 'creative' aspect that is reflected by copyright.[1]

On 11 March 1996 the Council of the European Union passed Directive No. 96/9/EC of 11 March 1996 on the legal protection of databases,[2] giving specific and separate legal rights (and limitations) to certain computer records. The law calls these database rights.

Rights afforded to manual records under EU database rights laws are similar in format, but not identical, to those afforded artistic works.

Database rights last for 15 years. Each time a database is substantially modified, however, a new set of rights are created for that database. An owner has the right to object to the copying of substantial parts of their database, even if data is extracted and reconstructed piecemeal. Database rights under the EU are created automatically, vested in the employers of creators (when the action of creation was part of employment), and do not have to be registered to have effect.

Database rights are independent of copyright: The arrangement, selection, and presentation of the data may be protected by copyright, while the database as a whole can be protected by database right.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_right

Acts infringing database right

16.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this Part, a person infringes database right in a database if, without the consent of the owner of the right, he extracts or re-utilises all or a substantial part of the contents of the database.

(2) For the purposes of this Part, the repeated and systematic extraction or re-utilisation of insubstantial parts of the contents of a database may amount to the extraction or re-utilisation of a substantial part of those contents.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/3032/regulation/16/made

 

[pilgrim_fgau]

Either way... shits gonna hit the fan

 

[Texx]

If this did end up in court, I'm not sure 'The owner wouldn't let us do what we wanted to do and also called us names.' would be accepted as a valid defence.

 

[Jay]

I was just reading the same snizzle in another window Terry, could prove interesting if it did reach court!

 

[Texx]

If I hadn't already taken legal advise and knew exactly which side of the law I was standing on, I'd be pulling UKSO offline ASAMFP.

 

[rob_bower]

Thanks for supporting the guys trying to do the right thing to stop someone ripping people off, very supportive.

 

[Jay]

Thanks for supporting the guys trying to do the right thing to stop someone ripping people off, very supportive.

Read the info above mate.

We are discussing the legal ramifications on an open forum so what's the problem?

Jay

 

[Texx]

Thanks for supporting the guys trying to do the right thing to stop someone ripping people off, very supportive.

Regardless as to your intentions, you need to understand the potential consequences of what's been done. Seriously, if you haven't taken legal advice do it sooner rather than later. If your in the clear then I'll wish you all the success in the world, but if your not you may end up getting fucked in the ass for simply trying to save the day.

 

[AdamB]

Not trying to stir shit up here, but out of the thousands of members on UKSC, I for one was not aware this was going ahead, nor even been planned. From what has been said, the only people that wanted this to happen were a majority of the staff. No email was sent to members asking for the transfer, it was automatically done, the first we knew about it was when an email was sent saying a new site has been opened, I was shocked to find that I could log in using the same details as UKSC, without registering.

It's going to leave a lot of questions unanswered for some time, and by the looks of it, its a question IF UKSO is even still up due to legal action. I'm not fussed either way, all the best with it, but I think it should have been thoroughly planned rather than copying content and members details and whatever else has been copied.