Are Synthetics better?

oilman

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Are synthetics better?

The basic benefits are as follows:

Extended oil drain periods
Better wear protection and therefore extended engine life
Most synthetics give better MPG
They flow better when cold and are more thermally stable when hot
Esters are surface-active meaning a thin layer of oil on the surfaces at all times

If you want to know the reasons why then please read on but, warning - Long Post!

Stable Basestocks

Synthetic oils are designed from pure, uniform synthetic basestocks, they contain no contaminants or unstable molecules which are prone to thermal and oxidative break down.
Because of their uniform molecular structure, synthetic lubricants operate with less internal and external friction than petroleum oils which have a non-uniform molecular structure.
The result is better heat control, and less heat means less stress to the lubricant.

Higher Percentage of Basestock

Synthetic oils contain a higher percentage of lubricant basestock than petroleum oils do.
This is because multi-viscosity oils need a great deal of pour point depressant and viscosity improvers to operate as a multigrade.
The basestocks actually do most of the lubricating. More basestocks mean a longer oil life.

Additives Used Up More Slowly

Petroleum basestocks are much more prone to oxidation than synthetic oils. Oxidation inhibitors are needed in greater quantities in petroleum oils as they are used up more quickly.
Synthetic oils do oxidize, but at a much slower rate therefore, oxidation inhibiting additives are used up more slowly.

Synthetic oils provide for better ring seal than petroleum oils do. This minimizes blow-by and reduces contamination by combustion by-products. As a result, corrosion inhibiting additives have less work to do and will last much longer in a synthetic oil.

Excellent Heat Tolerance

Synthetics are simply more tolerant to extreme heat than petroleum oils are. When heat builds up within an engine, petroleum oils quickly begin to burn off. They are more volatile. The lighter molecules within petroleum oils turn to gas and what's left are the large molecules that are harder to pump.
Synthetics have far more resistance as they are more thermally stable to begin with and can take higher temperatures for longer periods without losing viscosity.

Heat Reduction

One of the major factors affecting engine life is component wear and/or failure, which is often the result of high temperature operation. The uniformly smooth molecular structure of synthetic oils gives them a much lower coefficient friction (they slip more easily over one another causing less friction) than petroleum oils.

Less friction means less heat and heat is a major contributor to engine component wear and failure, synthetic oils significantly reduce these two detrimental effects.
Since each molecule in a synthetic oil is of uniform size, each is equally likely to touch a component surface at any given time, thus moving a certain amount of heat into the oil stream and away from the component. This makes synthetic oils far superior heat transfer agents than conventional petroleum oils.

Greater Film Strength

Petroleum motor oils have very low film strength in comparison to synthetics. The film strength of a lubricant refers to it's ability to maintain a film of lubricant between two objects when extreme pressure and heat are applied.
Synthetic oils will typically have a film strength of 5 to 10 times higher than petroleum oils of comparable viscosity.
Even though heavier weight oils typically have higher film strength than lighter weight oils, an sae 30 or 40 synthetic will typically have a higher film strength than an sae 50 or sae 60 petroleum oil.

A lighter grade synthetic can still maintain proper lubricity and reduce the chance of metal to metal contact. This means that you can use oils that provide far better fuel efficiency and cold weather protection without sacrificing engine protection under high temperature, high load conditions. Obviously, this is a big plus, because you can greatly reduce both cold temperature start-up wear and high temperature/high load engine wear using a low viscosity oil.

Engine Deposit Reduction

Petroleum oils tend to leave sludge, varnish and deposits behind after thermal and oxidative break down. They're better than they used to be, but it still occurs.
Deposit build-up leads to a significant reduction in engine performance and engine life as well as increasing the chance of costly repairs.
Synthetic oils have far superior thermal and oxidative stability and they leave engines virtually varnish, deposit and sludge-free.

Better Cold Temperature Fluidity

Synthetic oils do not contain the paraffins or other waxes which dramatically thicken petroleum oils during cold weather. As a result, they tend to flow much better during cold temperature starts and begin lubricating an engine almost immediately. This leads to significant engine wear reduction, and, therefore, longer engine life.

Improved Fuel Economy

Because of their uniform molecular structure, synthetic oils are tremendous friction reducers. Less friction leads to increased fuel economy and improved engine performance.
This means that more energy released from the combustion process can be transferred directly to the wheels due to the lower friction. Acceleration is more responsive and more powerful, using less fuel in the process.

In a petroleum oil, lighter molecules tend to boil off easily, leaving behind much heavier molecules which are difficult to pump. The engine loses more energy pumping these heavy molecules than if it were pumping lighter ones.
Since synthetic oils have more uniform molecules, fewer of these molecules tend to boil off and when they do, the molecules which are left are of the same size and pumpability is not affected.

Synthetics are better and in many ways, they are basically better by design as they are created by chemists in laboratories for a specific purpose.

Cheers
Guy

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dac69er

Super Moderator
i have heard that older engines that have always used semi synthetic oils tend to burn the oil a bit if you start using sythetics? is this true?

is there not any downside to using synthetics apart from the extra cost?
 

javieringo1

Member +
i have heard that older engines that have always used semi synthetic oils tend to burn the oil a bit if you start using sythetics? is this true?

is there not any downside to using synthetics apart from the extra cost?


i'd like to know the answer for this, please someone help us!

btw, nice read, but couldn't get open any more technical articles :(
 

melloscreama05

Fresh Recruit
bump for the answer to this^^^... but very very informative nonetheless... after i build up my engine i'm deffo gonna be using synthetic..
 

GTti

Member +
i have heard that older engines that have always used semi synthetic oils tend to burn the oil a bit if you start using sythetics? is this true?

is there not any downside to using synthetics apart from the extra cost?

This can only be myth. Both are the same thickness at operating temperature and synthetics have better heat tolerance and lubrication, film strength as above.

With semi synthetics the friction modifiers in the oil are more suseptable to burning up creating that sluge that's stuck to the sides of your rocker cover.

The only thing I can think of is that detergants in more modern oils could dislodge these build ups.
 

oilman

Trader
i'd like to know the answer for this, please someone help us!

btw, nice read, but couldn't get open any more technical articles :(

It is mainly an old wives tale, there is no reason why a well looked after engine will have any problem moving from mineral to synthetic, of course the correct grade also needs to be selected.

In some cases leaks and heavy oil usage has occured, this is normally in old engines that have used very cheap oil, not changed very often and basically not looked after properly.

Cheers

Guy.
 

javieringo1

Member +
well when I bouht my car I was told it was using mineral 20w50 grade.

I wanted to get motul 300v competition synthetic 15w50, but since my car is not for competition use I was told to not get that one, is that correct?

so I got motul technosynthese (semi-synthetic) 15w50 and it seems to be working fine so far.

I have two more questions, please help me out:

Is it normal for the car to burn up some oil when you drag race it? (let's say around 7 quarter mile runs in one day) lowering about 2mm from the thing you use to get oil level from the engine?

and is there a problem changin oil viscosity? for example, if a car has been using 20w50 and you start putting in 10w40?

I read some article saying that you have to choose oil viscosity according to your country's wheater, using 0w30 in colder temps, 10w40 in normal temps and 20w50 in hot temps? it didn't say anything about switching from one viscosity to another, considering some engine with 100k kilometers in it and running in good conditions.
 

oilman

Trader
well when I bouht my car I was told it was using mineral 20w50 grade.

I wanted to get motul 300v competition synthetic 15w50, but since my car is not for competition use I was told to not get that one, is that correct?

so I got motul technosynthese (semi-synthetic) 15w50 and it seems to be working fine so far.

I have two more questions, please help me out:

Is it normal for the car to burn up some oil when you drag race it? (let's say around 7 quarter mile runs in one day) lowering about 2mm from the thing you use to get oil level from the engine?

and is there a problem changin oil viscosity? for example, if a car has been using 20w50 and you start putting in 10w40?

I read some article saying that you have to choose oil viscosity according to your country's wheater, using 0w30 in colder temps, 10w40 in normal temps and 20w50 in hot temps? it didn't say anything about switching from one viscosity to another, considering some engine with 100k kilometers in it and running in good conditions.

The 15w-50 grade is is fine, there are also no issues switching grades or qualities.

No reason why you cant use the 300v 15w-50, yes it is a competition oil but that is becasue they have to be that good for the competition it is intedended for, you can use it with cinfidence. The 15w-50 semi will burn a little during drag racing, should use less with a synthetic.

Cheers

Guy
 

javieringo1

Member +
thanks Guy, I was told I shouldn't use competition oil because it might block the part that lets oil thru to the engine, and that since competition engines are put apart after each race to ckeck them and clean them up etc.

btw, wich one do you think is best?

using semi Motul, 10w40, 15w50?
or synthetic mobil 1 10w30, or 10w40?
 

oilman

Trader
One of the main points of using oils like that in a race engine is so they dont have to strip it down so often, if they used a cheap oil they would be taking it aprt every race to check for wear.

Out of the oils you listed I would go with synthetic or semi.

Cheers

Guy
 
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