TERCEL1: AT WITS END (Walbro#3 installed)

alfradio

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This latest post took longer to compose than it took me to install
Walbro in-line fuel pump #3!

To listen to the fruits of my labors, click HERE!

... at this point I was pleased but, recalled the same results when
I installed Walbro#2 just 4000 miles ago)

Next item of business, check the voltage going to the pump
(as everyone at one time or another has suggested I do that...)
visual evidence of THAT test is HERE!

Although not a "FAT" 12 volts, I don't think the pump was
"starving for voltage" but, then, what the freak do I know?

Just about 11 minutes into my testin of my newly installed
Walbro pump, I thought I heard a sound... yes, I DID hear a
sound... to hear the sound I heard, click HERE!

Fingers crossed the noise doesn't get louder but, with my luck....

My testing continued. To see what the voltage drop is when
the engine's cooling fan turns ON and OFF... click HERE!

Finally, another problem rears its ugly little freakin' head... as
you recall, I had an adjustable fuel pressure regulator installed
a few weeks ago and set the fuel pressure at 38 psi
(as recommended by "those in the know").

This past Saturday while at the track, I noticed the pressure
had dropped down to around 30 psi so, I bumped it back up to
where it belonged... Keep in mind, my fuel pump (Walbro#2)
was on the verge of total failure so, in retrospect, my confidence
the pump was putting out steady pressure, was not 100% so,
today, with a brand spankin' new Walbro pumping it's little
heart out, I checked under the hood and sure enough, the FPR
gauge was reading around 75 so, I began turning the
adjustment screw and the pressure got lower and lower and...
well, just take a peek HERE to see why I hate working on cars!

From the Department Of Grasping At Straws: "Is it possible, the
return line is too small to return all the unused fuel, causing
pressure to build up in the system?

At this point, although it's not a Chevy, I feel very tempted to
drive it to a levy and wait for the flood season!

alf :angry:
 

Gilly2006

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yeh the pumps do whine quite abit. my m8s in his metro turbo whines like crazy. what make of rising rate is it?
 

-Harry-

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Hey mate, can I start by asking why you got a fuel pressure reg? What was wrong with the stock one? The std one is 40psi. Im still on the stock one with 300hp atw.

The return line is very small. (4mm) I never had a problem with the walbro 255 but now thats Ive thrown a bosch 044 in the line it seems to have thrown the map out a little. Havnt put a gauge on it atm to see what its doing though

Can you be a little more decriptive too? For those of us who cant view putfile and the likes at work. :(

Also beware of walbro imitations. Their absolutly everywhere at the moment and are absolutly crap quality.

So did you get any voltage drop at any time? What did it drop to? What happened exactly to the previous 2 pumps? Did you test the flopw output of the pumps out of the car?

Hope this helps

Cheers

Harry
 

Gilly2006

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So did you get any voltage drop at any time? What did it drop to?
Hope this helps
Cheers
Harry

if you couldn't access the vids harry, he had the voltmeter on the fuel pump which was reading about 8.7/8 then he put the fan on and it dropped to around 8.3 volts for a second and then went back to 8.7/8. i think the regulator is a problem. but i don't know if he is running the standard ecu or aftermarket.
 
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alfradio

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if you couldn't access the vids harry, he had the voltmeter on the fuel pump
which was reading about 8.7/8 then he put the fan on and it dropped to
around 8.3 volts for a second and then went back to 8.7/8. i think the
regulator is a problem. but i don't know if he is running the standard ecu or
aftermarket.

Are those metric numbers???

Actually the voltage at the fuel pump was around 11.8 and then dipped to
11.3 for a second and returned to 11.8 again.... Where did you get the
8.7/8 number(s)

Also went out to the car a moment ago and started it up.... with the car
running, I measured the battery (pole to pole) and it was a 14.65 reading
and back at the fuel pump, around 11.9.

My ECU is stock (EP91) and the reason I installed a FPR was to see what the
fuel pump was doing seeing that I had wasted 1 and seemed like on the way
to baking another (which happened about a week after the FPR was installed.

By the way, the FPR is an NRG!

ex-ASS-purr-rated alf!

PS: As far as the Walbros, YES! I'm pretty sure they (the 2 were bought from eBay so, in fact,
may have been Chinese knock-offs but, the one I installed today, came from a place which I
trust to be the real deal (but, really, how can you tell?) A link to their site is HERE!

PS#2: The previous 2 pumps both went the same way... a banshee type whine followed by nothing!!!! Walbro#1 lasted 10000 miles (using the oem FPR) and Walbro#2 (the most recent) went pretty much the same way but, in only 4000 miles, the last 100 miles or so with the the adjustable FPR...

Thanks for help from across the waters...
 
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Gilly2006

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Are those metric numbers???

Actually the voltage at the fuel pump was around 11.8 and then dipped to
11.3 for a second and returned to 11.8 again.... Where did you get the
8.7/8 number(s)

sorry dude!! i havn't a clue whats wrong with me, its 1241 am and iv had a few drinks, thats maybe why! sorry dude.
 

alfradio

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sorry dude!! i havn't a clue whats wrong with me, its 1241 am and iv had a few
drinks, thats maybe why! sorry dude.

Ha-Ha-Ha!!!! That would explain it.... remind me never to post this late
(or early) in your day!!

Hope you had a good time and didn't drive home!


alf
 

Gilly2006

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Ha-Ha-Ha!!!! That would explain it.... remind me never to post this late
(or early) in your day!!

Hope you had a good time and didn't drive home!


alf

lol! im at home about to go to bed!! dare i ask what time it is over where you are alf? lol!
 

-Harry-

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As far as the Walbros, YES! I'm pretty sure they (the 2 were bought from eBay so, in fact,
may have been Chinese knock-offs but, the one I installed today, came from a place which I
trust to be the real deal (but, really, how can you tell?) A link to their site is HERE!...

A genuine will have "WALBRO" stamped on the side of it in the walbro logo along with part number and patent number. No 'walbro' then you got ripped.
 

HYBRID

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alf, from what im reading ur having very serious voltage fluctuation....

so.. go grab a 12 guage wire & some clips & do a DIY earthing kit.. also get a multi meter (if u havent done this already) & check the voltage coming from the batt & from the alternator..

ur driving voltage should ALWAYS be above 14v ... anything lower shows uv got problems in ur electrics system...

thats y ur pumps are burning out.. if im not mistaken there are 3 feed & 2 return lines on the gt/glanza.. somebody pls correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure thats how they are :)

kon
 

alfradio

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alf, from what im reading ur having very serious voltage fluctuation....

so.. go grab a 12 guage wire & some clips & do a DIY earthing kit.. also get a
multi meter (if u havent done this already) & check the voltage coming from
the batt & from the alternator..

ur driving voltage should ALWAYS be above 14v ... anything lower shows uv
got problems in ur electrics system...

thats y ur pumps are burning out.. if im not mistaken there are 3 feed &
2 return lines on the gt/glanza.. somebody pls correct me if im wrong but im
pretty sure thats how they are :)

kon

Please disregard the fellow who said my voltage at the fuel pump was 8.7
(or whatever) he later claimed to have posted that after a night of
drinking.... a pint or two! (hahaha)

Okay, for those who, for some reason, have either not watched the
accompanying video clips in the opening post of this thread or cannot view
them... here's the deal...


Installed new pump

Checked voltage at the pump...

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When the engine fan came on, the voltage
dropped for an instance...

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... then returned to 11.8

Attempted readjusting fuel pressure regulator to
prescribed 38 psi but, could not get it below
48 psi (this is something new!)

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Early this morning, checked battery voltage
(pole to pole) with the car running...

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Meanwhile back at the pump...

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...fuel pressure still at 48 psi

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That is the long and short of it all...

Why would my pumps be failing so quickly if they were being slightly
under powered? I believe they would not flow as much but, what would
cause then to FAIL (burn out?)?

dazed & confused alf
 

HYBRID

Super Moderator <a href="http://www.toyotagtturbo.
yes exactly, when the pumps start to pump less fuel due to low voltage, they will start to heat up drastically, as its the flow of actual petrol through them that keeps them cold..

im still not convinced about ur voltage bro, i think ur relay is cookoo lol (as in the old bird) ... 11s as far as voltage goes is not a nice thing...

had u changed ur relay when u did the swap over? as im suspecting ur old toyota relay may not be up to scratch...

kon
 

alfradio

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I'm suspecting your old Toyota relay may not be up to scratch...

kon

Where might I source another (a new one?) and how much $$$

By the way, all my failed pumps (including the one which lasted 10K miles)
never showed any signs of heating until the very end!

alf

PS: Still waiting for an answer about my question:

Would running my car with FP at 48 psi ruin anything?
 

Gilly2006

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PS: Still waiting for an answer about my question:

Would running my car with FP at 48 psi ruin anything?

well it depends, have you checked your plugs? if not, you can tell if your running lean/rich by checking plug colour. black with deposits is rich, white is lean, chocolate brown is lovely jubly
 

BlackVitz

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well it depends, have you checked your plugs? if not, you can tell if your running lean/rich by checking plug colour. black with deposits is rich, white is lean, chocolate brown is lovely jubly

i measured the volts on my valbro and i saw 13.9volt and when i open the lights it fell 13.4 and then 13.9 again.

i have fueling problems since i get walbro. The volts are normal?or too much?
 
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