when cold, car will not go into gear!!!!!!!!!!
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ChrisStarletGT
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Wot oil u got in it?
going back on thursday mate, but im thinking a new gearbox will be needed
Fuchs syn 5 mate, as recommended to me by oil man
ChrisStarletGT
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How much oil u put in it?
Lol, we both know what the problem is mate :s
I gave him 3 litres of this fuchs syn 5 stuff so I'm hoping he used as much as he could fit in the box :s
Not sure its fair to be naming names at this stage mate, but its certainly not a good advert for him :s
Iain@CRD
Lifer
Its who builds all my engines.
Its not really a fair description of the issue either. He was informed it would not go into gear when the car is running but when the engine is off it will go into gear. Which takes away the gearbox element and points more towards the clutch needing adjusted. Its booked in for Thursday and he has spoken to his gearbox specialist about the issue also as hes fitted many of diff's into our gearbox's.
Its regularly common in the mechanic industry that there not given a fair chance to resolve the issue, if there is an issue caused by themselves and also that there the first person who receive stick, quite similar to Mappers.
Texx
Super Moderator
Would that be the renowned Kev then?
So we can probably assume that the gearbox found to have a 6 bolt diff is most likely from a Mk1 GT, I'd like to think Kev wouldn't try shoe horning an 8 bolt ring gear from a turbo box into a N/A box.
It does sound like it may well be a clutch problem, however any 'adjustment' isn't going to account for the knocking and whining noises.
Was the clutch replaced whilst the box was off? If not did the clutch look OK?
If there's no obvious fault with the clutch then I'd be checking the crankshaft and input shaft for excessive end float before tearing the box apart again.
id say its quite an accurate description of the problem really, when cold the car will not go into gear where as when it has warmed up its fine! this problem has all of a sudden crept up on me! never used to do it when i first got my car back but within a week it started and has been getting worse and worse until the other morning when it wouldnt move for love nor money!!!!!
the oil i used was 75-90 mate and cost me £50 so i would hope it wouldnt be that :S
surely though wether its a 6 bolt n/a or early gt box, its still a 6 bolt final gear and the thickness between this and a glanza final gear would still be different?? would that be right?
i was going to get the clutch replaced but asked him to check it and he said it was mint and would be quite happy to use it again so i re-used it
what do you mean by end float? excess movement in the shafts?
Iain@CRD
Lifer
What John has just said regarding the oil is what his gearbox specialist commented on. He advised to run a more traditional oil with the Quaife.
Im just off the phone to Kevin just now and 96v has his car there.
Kevin test drove the car as there is a dual carriageway at the end of his unit to which he heard no knocking but did hear the ordinary Toyota gearbox whine which just about every box does.
He adjusted the foot pedal and re-bled the clutch and said that it does drive better now with it adjusted. The only concern he had was the Fidanza Flywheel, obviously because its a lighter unit that stock it needs abit more RPM to get going to make up for the loss in torque from the standard unit but thats the only niggle he could find.
He did say he would be more than happy to take it down to his gearbox specialist to try out but commented he wouldnt pickup any issues with it as it drove really well but need abit more abuse to get it going to compensate the lighter flywheel.
He did indeed adjust my clutch, but i wont be able to find out wether it has made a difference until the morning as everything was still quite warm, so i shall let you know wether it has stopped tomorrow.
And to be fair, your statement regarding the knocking isn't strictly true, and has kinda made it sound as though i am making it all up! he did take it for a drive yes, and said there was a knocking noise which appeared when you push down/take off your foot from the accelerator! sounds like a mount or something is loose were his exact words, so back to the garage we went for the mounts etc to be checked and all was fine which means the knock has to be coming from somewhere else on the drivetrian.
i was also under the impression gearboxes where supposed to be silent, where as mine certainly isnt! especially in fourth gear when the whine (only for a second or two) is quite loud.
we came to an agreement in the end, and said if i still wasnt happy and things hadnt changed etc he would rebuild a gearbox for me free of charge! which to be fair to him is quite a generous thing to do! i have been going to kev for 2/3 years now and he has done various tasks on my V and each one has been to a high standard so i have no qualms with the quality of his work! i was just concerned with the gearbox issue as i have spent 2 grand on new driveshafts, and the diff etc and would rather they didnt fuck up
oh and he also gave me a free oil filter loloh......................so all this moaning about my box could prove to be for nothing if it turns out i have an mk1 gt box instead of an n/a? i was under the impression from peoples advice that any box with the 6 bolt ring gear wouldnt allow an 8 bolt to fit as it was thicker and like you have said things wouldnt line up properly!
how could i tell what box i have? do they have the box code number on? we did find one number which was something like b1030888 or something, i guess this would just be a part number for the casing or something? :S
Texx
Super Moderator
TBH, if the box was from a 4E-FE and Kev had managed to somehow get the 8 bolt ring gear into the box, I would have expected the output shaft to have shat itself by now.
It's near impossible to identify which box you have from just a visual inspection. If you look at the end cover (nearest the passenger wheel), is it made of tin or is it cast alloy?
Iain@CRD
Lifer
Sorry if it sounded like, thats strictly not what i ment. Just sometimes when trying to describe a fault on a vehicle it can come across as something else all together and through members off on a different goose chase so my apologies for that!
He did say when he took the car out at around 40mph if you come on and off the accelerator in a "kangaroo" motion then theres was a knock there but he believed this could have been down to your mounts being so hard, obviously when coming on off and the throttle everything upfront is moving.
i was also under the impression gearboxes where supposed to be silent, where as mine certainly isnt! especially in fourth gear when the whine (only for a second or two) is quite loud.
we came to an agreement in the end, and said if i still wasnt happy and things hadnt changed etc he would rebuild a gearbox for me free of charge! which to be fair to him is quite a generous thing to do! i have been going to kev for 2/3 years now and he has done various tasks on my V and each one has been to a high standard so i have no qualms with the quality of his work! i was just concerned with the gearbox issue as i have spent 2 grand on new driveshafts, and the diff etc and would rather they didnt fuck up
My Gearbox also whines as standard and yet to hear one in a Starlet that doesnt and i only run a stock diff
lol your correct in saying the higher up the more you hear it!Credit to you also for posting up your recent experience which really puts to bed all this nonsence going about just now, he informed that if anything did go wrong with that gearbox he would have it rebuilt free of charge for you and was also willing to take the car down to his gearbox specialist to drive to see what he thought, he even commented thats its one of the better cars hes driven with the Quaife in it.
Its common when you've spent all that money to start worrying when a noise develops, its just natural! You certainly dont want to be spending that out again with poor workman ship. But like Kev said he even gave you his personal mobile number which doesnt happen too often and if you have any issues hes always there and happy to help.