Is it actually possible to insure cars anymore?

sdutton007

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I've recently taken up a new insurance policy, but it brought up a whole series of problems...

  1. Apparently the car has to be in your name to take out a policy on it - WTF?
  2. You can only add a temporary vehicle to your policy if the vehicle isn't insured elsewhere, but if it wasn't insured elsewhere, it wouldn't be taxed, so you still couldn't drive it - WTF?
  3. You have to tell them all sorts of details that aren't any of their business (such as non-fault claims, non-performance mods, etc) which would unfairly increase the price of your insurance.
  4. Apparently "claims" include windscreen claims - which would mean that it would never be worth doing a windscreen claim because this would raise the price of your insurance every year for 5 years...
  5. Why the hell do they ask the value of the car, when they ignore this completely?
Then, my new policy (Hastings Direct) doesn't cover me to drive other cars, despite every policy I've had allowed me to (as long as you are 25 or over) - WHICH I WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT... so I may have been illegally driving other cars without insurance without my knowledge!

On the upside, I'm no longer with those complete c*nts at Admiral !!!
 

sdutton007

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Also, my EP82 is sitting on the driveway with no insurance but it has got tax.

Yes, I know - I'm a criminal scum-bag and should go straight to the electric chair.... although they definitely have their priorities right: let murderers and rapists go free so they can concentrate on the evil bastards that have taxed their car... [extreme sarcasm]

Anyway, if I SORN it (like I legally have to), then I can't put it back on the road for a minimum of 21 days, plus the extra few days it takes the DVLA's piss-poor website to recognize that I have insurance. Plus you lose out on whatever days is remaining for the last month, plus whatever days in the current month have passed...

I'm sure I'm forgetting further complications, but will add them if I remember lol
 

AdamB

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Don't even get me started on insurance mate. Just took out another policy on my 2nd car, wasn't badly priced but obviously could have been better.
What made me laugh though was that when I phoned up to take out the policy, the woman asked if it had an immobilser and I said " yes factory fitted", she then bumped the price up £20 because apparently if your car has an immobiliser, your more likely to be involved in an accident. WTF? Where do they get these statistics from, of course that is true because most cars on the road today have immobilisers!
Don't seem to take into account that it is harder to steal and drop my premium though do they!
 

www.glanza.co.uk

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Yep, easy to get insurance. You just answer the questions they ask, whether you think they're relevant or not, and read the policy terms that outline your contract with them. If you don't read the terms and conditions of your insurance which specifies the benefits of your policy, then whose fault is that? I could give you reasons why they ask the questions they do, but I'm sure you could work them out for yourself...
 

sdutton007

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Don't even get me started on insurance mate. Just took out another policy on my 2nd car, wasn't badly priced but obviously could have been better.
What made me laugh though was that when I phoned up to take out the policy, the woman asked if it had an immobilser and I said " yes factory fitted", she then bumped the price up £20 because apparently if your car has an immobiliser, your more likely to be involved in an accident. WTF? Where do they get these statistics from, of course that is true because most cars on the road today have immobilisers!
Don't seem to take into account that it is harder to steal and drop my premium though do they!

Sounds about right - I'm unsure what you mean though when you say "Just took out another policy on my 2nd car, wasn't badly priced" - I've tried this in the past and since you can't use No Claims Bonus on more than 1 policy, it works out stupidly expensive. I was paying about £310 on my EP82, then to add a N/A Starlet Sportif they wanted an EXTRA £550.

What they don't seem to take into account, while I'm a good driver, even I'm not good enough to drive both fucking cars at the same time! How can they justify that???

Yep, easy to get insurance. You just answer the questions they ask, whether you think they're relevant or not, and read the policy terms that outline your contract with them. If you don't read the terms and conditions of your insurance which specifies the benefits of your policy, then whose fault is that? I could give you reasons why they ask the questions they do, but I'm sure you could work them out for yourself...

Maybe you didn't read my post? How do you insure a temporary vehicle? Or insure a car not owned by you?

And let's be honest - nobody reads through the 200 pages of terms and conditions which basically say "we own you. Unlucky, motherfucker!".

"I could give you reasons why they ask the questions they do, but I'm sure you could work them out for yourself..." - yes, to rip you off as much as possible. Feel free to explain any other reason they would ask the value of the car. Or with non-fault claims - besides, if you have to pay extra for non-fault claims, then you should be able to claim the extra cost against the other driver in the incident?

Why should I have to tell them "Yes, I was rammed by a psychotic c*nt of a farmer while I was parked up to get out of his way" ??? Not my fault. It would be like the police arresting you for burglary because you've been burgled yourself (i.e. getting fucked over for being the victim of a crime...)
 

dac69er

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its all about risk. if you have had 2 non fault claims then in there eyes you drive/park in riskier areas that someone who has neve had a non fault claim. its all about statistics.

its not, right, it pisses me off that my shit old man rover costs me more to insure than a modded GT. it pisses me off that no claims can only be used on 1 vehicle and they treat you like a 17 year old chav if you try and insure a second car so you dont have to use your pride and joy all year long. as the woman on the phone told me, 'the price is the price', if you dont want to pay it then you dont have to, you just dont insure your car, they dont care.


there is no rewards for loyalty or your own personal driving record. you are pidgeon-holed by statistics and if you fall in the wrong slot, you get stung. its bollocks, but that is the way it is.
 

skyinsurance

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'problems'...

Apparently the car has to be in your name to take out a policy on it - WTF?

Why (unless it's your husband/wife) would you want to insure something which isn't yours? You have no insurable interest in it.

You can only add a temporary vehicle to your policy if the vehicle isn't insured elsewhere, but if it wasn't insured elsewhere, it wouldn't be taxed, so you still couldn't drive it - WTF?

You cannot insure the same vehicle twice, why woud you even want to?

You have to tell them all sorts of details that aren't any of their business (such as non-fault claims, non-performance mods, etc) which would unfairly increase the price of your insurance.

Just because you think it's irrelevant , that doesn't mean an insurer does. You could put many mods down as non-performance enhancing but they have a huge increase on risk, eg roll cage, boost controller (I run it at standard boost, honest guv'nor). 'Unfairly' is your own opinion.


Apparently "claims" include windscreen claims - which would mean that it would never be worth doing a windscreen claim because this would raise the price of your insurance every year for 5 years...

Well, it is a windscreen claim but more importantly, if you are seeing a premium increase because of a windscreen claim, you are with the wrong insurers.

Why the hell do they ask the value of the car, when they ignore this completely?
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Insurers need to know the approximate value of that they are insuring. With respect, 'ignore it completely' is an incorrect, sweeping statement.

Then, my new policy (Hastings Direct) doesn't cover me to drive other cars, despite every policy I've had allowed me to (as long as you are 25 or over) - WHICH I WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT... so I may have been illegally driving other cars without insurance without my knowledge!

Whether or not you have Driving Other Cars cover is shown clearly on your certificate of insurance, if you got caught out, that's your problem. Far too many people assume they have it when they do not. It's common knowledge most insurers have an over 25's policy on this.

On the upside, I'm no longer with those complete c*nts at Admiral !!!

As usual, negative feedback about an insurer which can be taken with a large pinch of salt.
 

skyinsurance

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Yep, easy to get insurance. You just answer the questions they ask, whether you think they're relevant or not, and read the policy terms that outline your contract with them. If you don't read the terms and conditions of your insurance which specifies the benefits of your policy, then whose fault is that? I could give you reasons why they ask the questions they do, but I'm sure you could work them out for yourself...

Well, quite. Good post.
 

dac69er

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point 1 and point 2 arnt always strictly true.



if you buy a car that has no logbook (v5) it is not in your name, but to drive it home you would need to be insured on it. if you have no cover for driving other cars then you would need to insure that car with it not being in your name.

for a similar reason that car would have 2 people insuring it at the same time for a short period until the seller cancels their policy or swaps it to another car, so yes, there would be instances where a car would have to be insured twice.
 

sdutton007

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SkyInsurance - Your opinion is extremely biased here lol. So I will have to take your views with a pinch of salt, but here goes:

Why (unless it's your husband/wife) would you want to insure something which isn't yours? You have no insurable interest in it.
You cannot insure the same vehicle twice, why woud you even want to?"
Well, for one reason, I occasionally use other cars and may want to be fully comprehensive on them (if I crash my mum's Yaris or my mate's Supra, then they'd be out a few thousand pound otherwise).

Just because you think it's irrelevant , that doesn't mean an insurer does. You could put many mods down as non-performance enhancing but they have a huge increase on risk, eg roll cage, boost controller (I run it at standard boost, honest guv'nor). 'Unfairly' is your own opinion.
Obviously a boost controller is performance-enhancing. But a roll cage certainly isn't - although maybe you should get a discount since it will help protect you and your passengers so the insurance may not have to pay out as much in the event of an accident. Other things like alloy wheels or air filter - don't make me laugh!

Insurers need to know the approximate value of that they are insuring. With respect, 'ignore it completely' is an incorrect, sweeping statement.
Well, in that case I'm going to tell them the car is worth a fiver since this does NOT affect how much they pay out! Should save me some money???

Whether or not you have Driving Other Cars cover is shown clearly on your certificate of insurance, if you got caught out, that's your problem. Far too many people assume they have it when they do not. It's common knowledge most insurers have an over 25's policy on this.
Yes, I accept it's my responsibility BUT I think it's pretty poor that they hid this fact from me - and if my mother hadn't questioned it when her renewal came up, I would never have known...

Of course I should check every tiny detail and every single one of the hundreds of terms and conditions, but there are only 24 hours in a day.... I think the LEAST a responsible insurance company could do is TELL ME THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF HIDING IT FROM ME ! Am I really asking too much???

As usual, negative feedback about an insurer which can be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Yes - the fact that they caused me to drive around for 2 full weeks without insurance didn't affect this at all. Neither did the number of times they tried to rip me off. Or the 10 months it took them for a simple claim.
 
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sdutton007

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Yep, easy to get insurance. You just answer the questions they ask, whether you think they're relevant or not, and read the policy terms that outline your contract with them. If you don't read the terms and conditions of your insurance which specifies the benefits of your policy, then whose fault is that? I could give you reasons why they ask the questions they do, but I'm sure you could work them out for yourself...
Well, quite. Good post.

Believe me, if it was anywhere near that easy to do, then I wouldn't have made this topic lol. If it is that easy, then tell me what I'm doing wrong?

At the end of the day, they make it sooooo difficult to tax and insure cars but you are FORCED to do this if you want to drive on the road legally.



point 1 and point 2 arnt always strictly true.

if you buy a car that has no logbook (v5) it is not in your name, but to drive it home you would need to be insured on it. if you have no cover for driving other cars then you would need to insure that car with it not being in your name.

for a similar reason that car would have 2 people insuring it at the same time for a short period until the seller cancels their policy or swaps it to another car, so yes, there would be instances where a car would have to be insured twice.

Surely this is illegal? And will the insurance company actually let you do this?
 

sdutton007

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Several times now, I have had to take my car off the road for a few weeks to fix it.

In this scenario, can anybody tell me how I actually can drive a car (owned and insured by somebody else) fully comprehensive (other than persuading the owner to make me a named driver) ???


And unfortunately, my insurance and tax will just be going to waste in the meantime, unless I cancel both which throws a lot of my money away...
 
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GT-TD04

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Apparently the car has to be in your name to take out a policy on it - WTF?
Always part of my policies unless its temp cover

Then, my new policy (Hastings Direct) doesn't cover me to drive other cars, despite every policy I've had allowed me to (as long as you are 25 or over) - WHICH I WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT... so I may have been illegally driving other cars without insurance without my knowledge!

In fairness the onus is on the customer to read the terms and conditions and agree that they have read and understand the policy and its limitations. I usually read them on renewal to make sure they haven't tried to sneak anything in or removed something.

Never would I presume I was insured, I'd make sure I checked it because no doubt the Guards would if I didnt.
 
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www.glanza.co.uk

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Believe me, if it was anywhere near that easy to do, then I wouldn't have made this topic lol. If it is that easy, then tell me what I'm doing wrong?

Life isn't easy chap, you'll come to realise that in your advancing years. You just need to accept that arranging insurance takes time, answer the questions they ask, and review the policy wording, terms and conditions when you accept cover. Save your 'grumping' for something that really matters...
 

skyinsurance

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SkyInsurance - Your opinion is extremely biased here lol. So I will have to take your views with a pinch of salt, but here goes:

Bias is one word for it, but I'd say 'informed'



Well, for one reason, I occasionally use other cars and may want to be fully comprehensive on them (if I crash my mum's Yaris or my mate's Supra, then they'd be out a few thousand pound otherwise).

Add yourself to their policy, simple enough

Obviously a boost controller is performance-enhancing. But a roll cage certainly isn't - although maybe you should get a discount since it will help protect you and your passengers so the insurance may not have to pay out as much in the event of an accident. Other things like alloy wheels or air filter - don't make me laugh!

Roll cages increase risk dramatically.

read:

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums...Lowering-your-premiums/page2&highlight=phenob


Well, in that case I'm going to tell them the car is worth a fiver since this does NOT affect how much they pay out! Should save me some money???

If your car is only worth £5 then put that down, but that is what you'll probably be offered for the car if you claim.


Yes, I accept it's my responsibility BUT I think it's pretty poor that they hid this fact from me - and if my mother hadn't questioned it when her renewal came up, I would never have known...

Of course I should check every tiny detail and every single one of the hundreds of terms and conditions, but there are only 24 hours in a day.... I think the LEAST a responsible insurance company could do is TELL ME THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF HIDING IT FROM ME ! Am I really asking too much???

To a degree I do agree however you simply cannot be spoon fed all your life, you need to take responsibility for your own actions, that means reading the details of the 12 month contract you have entered into. Checking whether you have DOC cover takes all of 10 seconds.
 

skyinsurance

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Several times now, I have had to take my car off the road for a few weeks to fix it.

In this scenario, can anybody tell me how I actually can drive a car (owned and insured by somebody else) fully comprehensive (other than persuading the owner to make me a named driver) ???


And unfortunately, my insurance and tax will just be going to waste in the meantime, unless I cancel both which throws a lot of my money away...

Add yourself to their policy, what's the issue with that?

If you have issues with your car being unreliable then buy something which isn't or run it as a second car.
 

sdutton007

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Life isn't easy chap, you'll come to realise that in your advancing years. You just need to accept that arranging insurance takes time, answer the questions they ask, and review the policy wording, terms and conditions when you accept cover. Save your 'grumping' for something that really matters...

Again, the main problem isn't the questions they ask, or the wording, or the terms and conditions - it's the fact that it's near impossible to insure second cars / temporary vehicles / other people's cars, etc...

Add yourself to their policy, simple enough

I would have to persuade the owner to add me, then pay for the entire remainder of the policy, and could easily have to do this to several different cars depending on what I can borrow at any point in time... it makes 1000x more sense to just add a temporary vehicle.

There are no logical reasons why there cannot be 2 insurance policies in place on one car - claiming off both polices for the same thing would be fraud, but that is a different matter entirely.

There are also no logical reasons why you cannot insure a car owned by somebody else.

Although, when they ask if you own the car, why not just say "yes" ? There is no way of determining ownership of a car in the UK, so they can never prove you lied about this.

If your car is only worth £5 then put that down, but that is what you'll probably be offered for the car if you claim.

The insurers always tell me they will pay out the "market value" of the car - this is the main reason I asked why they bother asking for the value of the vehicle. I could tell them £5 or £5,000,000 and it won't affect it in the slightest.

To a degree I do agree however you simply cannot be spoon fed all your life, you need to take responsibility for your own actions, that means reading the details of the 12 month contract you have entered into. Checking whether you have DOC cover takes all of 10 seconds.

Maybe, but wouldn't you be pissed off if you bought a brand new Astra (for example) and it came without back seats? They never said it had back seats, but it would be 100% your fault for expecting it to have back seats simply because every car you have every bought did have them! See my point?

I sincerely hope that your company does not use these sort of underhanded tactics to lower the price and entice unwary people into a policy that does not fit their needs? Hastings Essentials obviously do, although in their defence they have offered to waive the cancellation fee if I upgrade to their Hastings Direct policy which does let policyholders drive other vehicles.

Add yourself to their policy, what's the issue with that?

If you have issues with your car being unreliable then buy something which isn't or run it as a second car.

See my 2nd point above.

And I do want to run the starlet as a 2nd car - perhaps you can tell me how to do this without paying at least 3 times my premium? (I would also have to pay two lots of road tax which is unfair since both cars would never be on the road at the same time, but that's another issue entirely)

To be honest, it's not particularly helpful to tell me to do it another (prohibitively expensive) way - I have limited funds (like most people) and simply can't afford to pay £500-£1000 extra just to occasionally drive other people's cars fully comp.
 
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sdutton007

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Mines on classic as a second car. 250 quid. Anyone over 25 eligible.

How old does a classic car have to be for insurance? I know classic car tax was buggered up by the government - used to be 25 years or older, now it's anything before 1973 I think.
 
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