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[GTnomez]

mashallah, recognition is what is needed but that wont stop some people labelling all muslims terrorists......a leopard never changes it spots, as long as you yourself are on the right path performing no zinaah or fitnah (sin) then may i wish you all barquaat (blessing) in life for its good to see a brother trying to pave his way into jannah (paradise).

p.s i need a lower arm bar....any body got one??

 

[Phil]

CATERED if your having a laugh then hehe, good one. it wouldnt be a matter or catering or provision! tolerance at best.

islam/muslim, is a closed community, governed by their religious law, they want and get provisions in our country(their country too squatters right and all that) the final aim would be a complete muslim state, were sharia can be exercised unilaterally.

its hilarious really, you would think that with our bad weather and lack of oil we should have got a mobile economy and swapped countries! lol though taking our economy mite have voided any possible deal

ps for anyone playing a racism card, get a brain, even if 100% of muslims were 1 race(clearly not the case but hypotheticly) there is NO physical realtionship between what a man looks like and what he believes.

Phil

 

[gv1.3]

I remember during the troubles and all the shit that went on in Ireland and the UK when I was a kid if we went up North we were stopped by lads with machines guns and as a child it was all very weird. I also remember going through Gatwick and being pulled out of a line by a british soldier and being searched and treated very badly indeed.. but at the time there WAS terrorism going on - innocent people were being blown up all over the place.

Going through an airport and being pulled out of line because of my nationality was not particularly nice but I wasnt a terrorist so I had nothing to worry about.

Also the negativity that is cast at America is no just in my opinion. Sure they have economic reasons for controlling the east but lets look a bit closer at the east with Iran wanting to "wipe Israel off the face of the planet".. talk like that helps noone. My friend is from southern Nigeria and he has told me of the beggers who come from Nothern Nigeria with no hands because it is a muslim area and they get their hands cut off for stealing. Sorry but a measured response is required to a crime. I think sometimes the muslim way is considered extreme because soemtimes it actually is.

I often have great debates with my friends about politics/religion/culture etc and the interesting thing is that no one is ever right - its a very personal thing.

 

[gv1.3]

Oh and my comments regarding the catholic religion are my opinion - If there are practicing catholics on here they are entitled to theirs and I respect them fully.

I like my Nigerian friends view on religion. When the conversation got around to religion and I asked him "what religion do you practice?" he replied "I am a christian"... I asked him again "but what actual religion?" and he said "thats not important.. I am a christian".

I view faith as a very personal thing... just because you do not see me at church dont judge me... judge me by how I live my life.

 

[spuddy]

This program is a must watch, many of u have prob seen it already but if u havn't i recommend u watch it all though it is 2 hours long

But from 13mins 40 seconds in it explains the beliefs of many religions and you may be shocked to find out just how similare they all are and that they basically all are traced back to worshiping the sun and stars.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197&ei=SJXdSN-_FYeuiAKEhomgCw&q=Zeitgeist

 

[glanzanut]

the religious beliefs of somebody mean nothing to me, as i take every person as i find them. because at the end of the day everyone is there own person, no matter their beliefs. however the only sad thing i find is the people in this country who despite claiming benefits getting free housing ect, consider this country and the people in it their enemy! for hate preachers to stand on british soil and spout pure evil and hatred really makes me sad. it would be nice if there could be no tension between between different comunities but untill we learn to open up to each other this will never happen.

 

[Franza1]

I think all Religions are Corrupt to a degree. Being brought up to be pretty open minded and not having religion " Forced " on me from a young age i think i have a pretty open mind to all religions, in fact it is one of my passions to discover new things and learn as much as i can i have read up on alot of other peoples beliefs.

I am not religious myself as i do not think that you can read any book and take it as 100% truth because through out the years words get twisted and manipulated to suite the needs of a culture or government, as well as follow the words of a Man/Woman who was trained by another Man/Woman to spread the " Word of God" and who in fact knows if this person is actually practicing what they preach behind closed doors .

I think one of the most poignant quotes is " I feel sorry for people who take authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority ", I do agree with some of the quotes above as well as i disagree with others. but to be honest it's my problem if i don't agree with someone it's my problem i will state my case and if they don't like or accept what I'm saying then that's their problem. A lot of religions tend to drop believes that are not suitable to the times or are considered radical ( Take this case, In Catholic religion years ago if a child was " Still born " then they did not go to heaven or hell they were forever stuck in limbo. So in Ireland you were not allowed to bury them in a Catholic grave yard. Then all of a sudden they were automatically going to heaven and they were allowed to be buried in the grave yard? ). Now if you can change what is considered the Infallible " Word of God " then would that not be considered a Hypocritical.

Another thing that i found amazing is that suddenly a Government can ban one religion and it's teachings just because it's not as popular as another then all of a sudden change their mind when the religion the had banned becomes more popular. Take the Roman Empire for one Christianity was banned for years and then all of a sudden when it started to gain power it became the religion of choice and was the greatest thing since the Chariot. Why is this? you ask, It is the simple fact is that the easiest way to control a group of people is to embrace what they believe in and Twist it to suite your own needs than change their beliefs.

Like Dylan above i do enjoy learning about other people's beliefs and debating it in length ( Ask the Muslim, Lutheran, Russian Orthodox and Jewish fellas i work with they are sick of my never ending questions at this stage ), Myself i would be considered a Pagan and do not believe in any one religious groupe nor do i want to teach people what i believe, i will let them know what i believe if they ask but not force them to listen if they do not want to, People don't have to accept my thoughts on the matter and i expect them to do me the same courtesy. Having 100% Unwavering belief and not questioning what you are being thought in my opinion is the main problem with all of the organized religions. i am going a bit off subject as the main post was in relation to " all Muslims being terrorists ", Personally i take every person i meet and form an opinion on them as an individual, not on what they do believe in or do not. Therefore i do not have any opinion on Muslims as a Whole. there are bad eggs in every bunch weather it be in modified Cars, Sport's organisations, Religions or cultural/racial groups. Basing an opinion of someone on the for mentioned things is a very ignorant outlook on life and i do feel sorry for anyone who does so as it is one more thing that they will never truly understand and learn about.

 

[FeNder]

great info there people , media is a real killer , specially if its adressing people who only rely on it for information . religion is one of the tools that contributes to sculpting ones personality..

 

[turbospool@1krpm]

I like many believe "Al Qaeda are just an imaginary group of "bad muslims") ????


but that imaginery group, kill alot of people so its hardly a figment of the imagination. but anyhow, people who kill people deserve to die... it wouldnt do them much harm being imaginery and so on anyway:shoot::shoot:

^^^thats hate for hate.

you believe the #quaran, i dont.

Hi,

My reason for calling Al Qaeda imaginary is that this name/group which was introduced by USA since after the 9/11 attacks to explain what had happened, has ever since just been used again and again by the media to create the spark in news headlines everytime a stupid bunch of "so called" muslims kill someone, blow themselves up or do something else along these lines. I think that there is no actual group called "Al Qaeda" but as said the stupid people who commit these crimes named above use the created brand name of Al Qaeda.

The thing Im appalled by is that these people who blow themselves and kill innocent people, are convinced that its their religion that teaches them to do this by believing Al Qaeda / the media, RATHER than actually just reading & understanding the true teachings of Islam from the Quran !

Coming back to the group called Al Qaeda, I believe that IF there existed a particular group, then with the technological advances, the armies and what we know modern world police etc are capable of, why carnt they find and destroy them in all this time? I mean they can go, find, conquer and destroy someone as powerful as Saddam Huessein quite easily but carnt find a much less bunch of a stupid group like Al Qaeda ?

 

[turbospool@1krpm]

Id like to say I really feel that excellent responses have been made and this is one reason I started this thread as I know people on here are very open minded. Thanks to all for the great input.

With regards to this thought from - gv1.3 ....

My friend is from southern Nigeria and he has told me of the beggers who come from Nothern Nigeria with no hands because it is a muslim area and they get their hands cut off for stealing. Sorry but a measured response is required to a crime. I think sometimes the muslim way is considered extreme because soemtimes it actually is.
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I totally agree with you, it is extreme, however again Id just like to reiterate AGAIN honestly that, this way of dealing is YES in a muslim country, HOWEVER Islam does not allow this and nowhere in the Quran does it allow this. The main thing is overall which is misunderstood and which I try to clear up is that what people who are muslims by religion do / say is not always according to what their religion has actually taught them hence they arent true followers but just muslims by cast. ( Hope taht makes sense )

 

[lanxter]

good write up mate and very well put, i think its a few muslims who make the rest of you look bad.

The 9/11 attacks made you look extreamly bad due to them saying it was a religious act.

The other main thing that makes yourselves and many others muslims look bad is the attitude of a few of them.

In my home town if your out in the town center around 7-10pm waiting for a bus home on many occasions ive been called a white bastard (excuse my language) or had said to me "what the fuck you looking at".

On other occasions when we all meet up on a friday night in cars have a chat and a laugh we have asians driving through shouting abuse for no reason at all, on other occasions getting out and wanting to fight people.

Now myself im not racist and have many black and asian friends but this doesnt give a good impression of the muslim community to me.

This is my opinion is some of the reasons that respect and trust is being lost for muslims in general.

 

[KrissyB]

Isn't religion the cause of all wars????? Think about it


Good write up though

 

[Phil]

Hi,

The thing Im appalled by is that these people who blow themselves and kill innocent people, are convinced that its their religion that teaches them to do this by believing Al Qaeda / the media, RATHER than actually just reading & understanding the true teachings of Islam from the Quran !

Coming back to the group called Al Qaeda, I believe that IF there existed a particular group, then with the technological advances, the armies and what we know modern world police etc are capable of, why carnt they find and destroy them in all this time? I mean they can go, find, conquer and destroy someone as powerful as Saddam Huessein quite easily but carnt find a much less bunch of a stupid group like Al Qaeda ?

well these guys DO kill in the name of muhammed islam etc the videos are made, they think its the ultimate calling of a muslim. im sorry that this has happened and continues to happen but it does, one of you's is read your wee book wrong, either the radicals have got it wrong or you have.??!!
thats where my problem lies,

the old story, eggs and ham for breakfast.
you and the radicals both for Islam.

the eggs, well the chicken contributes to the meal.
ham, well the pig was committed to the meal.

sadly i think two groups can read one book, one groups contributes another commits, but with sharia and other principles comes ideals that are deadly.

as for not being able to Kill al-qaeda? i live in Northern Ireland. the British army could not Defeat the IRA because they had no uniforms, they didnt line up to do batlle, they were fishermen, bakers binmen, using guerrilla warfare in plain clothes.

Al-qaeda same story, unless you would really like them rooted out?> but that would involve collateral damage! like in the troubles, Black and Tans, arrive at a suspected IRA mans house early in the morn, knock the door, come in march the entire house out into the street, shoot them all in the head, then search the house.

Phil

 

[turbospool@1krpm]

good write up mate and very well put, i think its a few muslims who make the rest of you look bad.

The 9/11 attacks made you look extreamly bad due to them saying it was a religious act.

The other main thing that makes yourselves and many others muslims look bad is the attitude of a few of them.

In my home town if your out in the town center around 7-10pm waiting for a bus home on many occasions ive been called a white bastard (excuse my language) or had said to me "what the fuck you looking at".

On other occasions when we all meet up on a friday night in cars have a chat and a laugh we have asians driving through shouting abuse for no reason at all, on other occasions getting out and wanting to fight people.

Now myself im not racist and have many black and asian friends but this doesnt give a good impression of the muslim community to me.

This is my opinion is some of the reasons that respect and trust is being lost for muslims in general.

Exactly mate. Those people you talk about are just muslims by cast or I should were just born in a muslim family, but none of what they do / say is what Islam teaches. This is another thing which annoys me, people like these lot do what they do out of their own choice BUT realte it to religion when in fact they dont deserve or belong to that religion and its teachings.

 

[lanxter]

yes mate, but as muslims because they go to the same mosques (cant spell it) as you and religious gatherings shouldnt they be out cast or told to get in line by other members of your religion?

 

[Phil]

This is another thing which annoys me, people like these lot do what they do out of their own choice BUT realte it to religion when in fact they dont deserve or belong to that religion and its teachings.

hehe that i can agree with, you want to see the Hoods in my country who think they Protestant or Catholic lol they are like the name of that film! LOST IN TRANSLATION lol

whats a muslim country ? somewhere slightly bigger than a muslim community! England will be prodominatly muslim inside 50years. then its lights out folks.

Phil

 

[Corey_gt]

There are some great speakers on this site fair play to ye lads have to give ye credit. Religon can be an awful touchy subject and I want to put another angle on it. What happens if this succeeds in what its doing

Imo there is going to be alot of questions raised but on the otherhand there may not. Thats just my angle on things at the moment.

 

[Phil]

what happens if what religion succeeds?

lol

Islam/Muslims? then the whole world is ruled by their law, and all the infidels and unbelievers dont exist one way or another(death or agreement...ah!)

 

[ChrisGT]

Isn't religion the cause of all wars????? Think about it


Good write up though

Of course it is.

Anyhoo, I lived half of my life in a Muslim country and I myself am Catholic (non-practising, I believe in science i.e. hard, undeniable facts!). I was born and grew up in Saudi Arabia and throughout my childhood I remembered having to put up with a great deal of restrictions. Examples being; no cinemas, mum always having to wear an Abaya (black cloak like thing that covered her entire body), my dad and his friends being unable to drink, not being able to go to Church and instead having to have mass in peoples houses, everywhere closing 5 times a day for prayer time and many more.

This is where Dylan got it spot on; we are very accomodating to Muslim's in this country! If people wanted to build a church in Saudi I'm sure they'd get laughed at and if they did attempt it they would get deported. I'm not racist and I have a lot of muslim friends etc but in terms of Muslim's feeling hard done by in this country, I think thats wrong. We are very accepting of your religion! I honestly didn't think racism towards Muslims was even an issue in this country, yes, the media portrays muslims in a bad light but in terms of hate crimes, protests etc...is it that bad?! Maybe I'm blind to it all. lol

 

[nottyash]

I have no religion and I live life to the full.
I enjoy alcohol and sex with lots of Women. or at least I did before getting married.

So far I have not gone to war with myself or anyone else.:rockon:
Anyone wanna join me?