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[GLANZA BOOOI]

what happens if what religion succeeds?

lol

Islam/Muslims? then the whole world is ruled by their law, and all the infidels and unbelievers dont exist one way or another(death or agreement...ah!)

corey's talkin about that large hadron collider thing aint he?

 

[goldenvtr]

no dissrespect to anyone but i personally think ALL religions are a load of bollox

and that is just my opinion

 

[faisalgtturbo]

islam= peace

that is the bases of our religion...

jihad is only allowed in certain situations similar to what is happening in palestine/irag/afganistan etc...

jihad is when literally u have lost everything and people are hunting u down becasue of your religion ie being muslim... (from what i can remeber basically)


i dont expect people to believe that all muslims are innocent but no other people (small minroties) from other religions are perfect...

there for i think its up to the individual to find out what is right/wrong....
there is alot of information that goes for and against muslims.....


anyone remeber saddam getting hung... i know he deserved it but does anyone remebr the day the americans chose ...
it was our chritmas (eid day) why did they do that? maybe to prove a point or make even more muslims pissed off

alqeeda net work if properly traced back u find has american roots .....


also muslims cannot justify killing innocent people no matter what....
but if u have a problem with the presidents foriegn policies... he isnt gonna invite u to a cup of tea and biscuits after he has had your family killed....


faisal

 

[Phil]

corey's talkin about that large hadron collider thing aint he?

hehe probably, if been known to get the wrong end of the stick before.

Phil slaps himself. lol

@ nottyash, still your at the same risk as everyone else. if the radicals dont blow you up then what everyone else believe says self indulgent people(sinful) go to (not a nice place).

believe or dont believe, either way u have made a choice.

Phil

 

[faisalgtturbo]

Of course it is.

Anyhoo, I lived half of my life in a Muslim country and I myself am Catholic (non-practising, I believe in science i.e. hard, undeniable facts!). I was born and grew up in Saudi Arabia and throughout my childhood I remembered having to put up with a great deal of restrictions. Examples being; no cinemas, mum always having to wear an Abaya (black cloak like thing that covered her entire body), my dad and his friends being unable to drink, not being able to go to Church and instead having to have mass in peoples houses, everywhere closing 5 times a day for prayer time and many more.

This is where Dylan got it spot on; we are very accomodating to Muslim's in this country! If people wanted to build a church in Saudi I'm sure they'd get laughed at and if they did attempt it they would get deported. I'm not racist and I have a lot of muslim friends etc but in terms of Muslim's feeling hard done by in this country, I think thats wrong. We are very accepting of your religion! I honestly didn't think racism towards Muslims was even an issue in this country, yes, the media portrays muslims in a bad light but in terms of hate crimes, protests etc...is it that bad?! Maybe I'm blind to it all. lol

pakistan has christain roots/ following my friend... i did fiend it strange....
am pretty sure saudi arabia will have some in a corner some where as well ....

faisal

 

[Starlet_Sam]

disagree.

you dont have to respect something if you dont agree with it. people should just learn to keep things to themselves and appreciate other peoples beliefs and there wouldnt be so much conflict regarding relgion. i wouldnt agree that you should respect it though.

Let me guess....... Catholic?! You don't have to believe another religion but you DO have to respect that other people believe them. Personally, I think that every single person on this planet that believes in a religion based on a god they have never seen proof for, and holds a book so dearly to them yet it's most likely to be an ancient piece of fiction or cult bollocks. I believe in science and only science, since there is masses of proof. BUT, in the same breath I appreciate that some people do want to believe ths and base their lives around it. Who am I to hate someone just because of what they believe? Am I going to be so narrow-minded as to spurn everyone who doesn't believe in science only?

I think any self-respecting person has the duty to educate themselves on a topic before they go and start praching about it. To put in context, we'd all flame a guy if he came in here and started rambling aout how it is safe to run 1.5bar on a GT without fuelling mods, but most have no problem with listening to uneducated people going on about how the Muslims are destroying the world and are all inherantly evil.

All religions have their "cunt" societies, lest we forget that the Ku Klux Klan is a Christian based society above anything else and their are people in their that do terrible deeds, and theirs that tiny parish in America that constantly preach hate and death on everyone but themelves (I can't remeber the name. My Mum is a Christian, should she be treated how you'd treat the KKK? I mean, she believes in the same God. Hell no. It's the same with Muslim people, most are nice and respectful, some are cunts. I know Idrees is a Muslim, and if I met him it wouldn't even enter my head that he would want to harm me or prays death on me, the thought of him even being a Muslim wouldn't even enter my head, just be a guy who likes to paint cars.

In conclusion, I treat people as people and not as part of a religion. I take everyone on their merits and decide whether I like them based on who they are, not what they believe.

 

[Phil]

hilarious Faisel.

so you dont condone(openly) anyone being killed, but agree that jihad should be used in extreme cases like afghan/iraq.

well that really is a funny religion. your martyrs die will killing others? thats no martyr?lol are marytr is some1 kill for not denouncing there faith. muslims arent being lined up against a wall be being told deny you faith or die? are they no.

they, get strange ideas from their religion and decide to kill.

afganistan was not invaded before 9/11.
the west is toooooooooo conciderate, they dont shoot on till shot at!

but all of that is political, because i believe Islam is Political. thats why i have absolutely no respect for it and feel sorry for its followers.(enter every1 to say they dont accept or want my silly sympathy) cause you arent allow to accept it.

away now, will check on this thread later

Phil

 

[Phil]

most likely to be an ancient piece of fiction or cult bollocks.

you can deny God, thats the easiest answer.

but your clearly uninformed, but well read on nothing worth knowing imo.
these guys with the big collider? they split a proton, great they find 10 things smaller, 100 years they split one of them....great. this could go on for a long time. science isnt believed by the top scientists, you get to far in(top of your profession) and you see that science will never answer, where did it all come from

gravity, etc, is formula for fact.
its not a big deal, thousands of people much cleverer than me or anyone posting on this thread, have given there lives to disproving the bible, find the answers through science, and no1 has got anywhere, they just find that this world is too big to be summed up by chance or maths.

Phil

 

[turbospool@1krpm]

hilarious Faisel.

so you dont condone(openly) anyone being killed, but agree that jihad should be used in extreme cases like afghan/iraq.

well that really is a funny religion. your martyrs die will killing others? thats no martyr?lol are marytr is some1 kill for not denouncing there faith. muslims arent being lined up against a wall be being told deny you faith or die? are they no.

they, get strange ideas from their religion and decide to kill.

afganistan was not invaded before 9/11.
the west is toooooooooo conciderate, they dont shoot on till shot at!

but all of that is political, because i believe Islam is Political. thats why i have absolutely no respect for it and feel sorry for its followers.(enter every1 to say they dont accept or want my silly sympathy) cause you arent allow to accept it.

away now, will check on this thread later

Phil

Hi Phil,

This is one of the problems. The way some muslims explain stuff. The way faisalgtturbo has explained what he is explaining is wrong. Phil, please just read the 3rd link I posted which in the right wording & properly explains WHAT Jihad is / means in Islam and Im sure you'll agree what Jihad actually is, its fine.

This is why I mentioned that Jihad and its understanding in the world at the moment is a major controversial issue at the moment, it is being used by some muslims in the wrong way and not the way it is intended or what it actually means. The write-up in the 3rd link explains all this clearly.

 

[goldenvtr]

I believe in science and only science, since there is masses of proof. BUT, in the same breath I appreciate that some people do want to believe ths and base their lives around it. Who am I to hate someone just because of what they believe? Am I going to be so narrow-minded as to spurn everyone who doesn't believe in science only?.

my thoughts exactly.

people can belive whatever they like as long as they dont force it on others.

 

[faisalgtturbo]

good write up mate and very well put, i think its a few muslims who make the rest of you look bad.

The 9/11 attacks made you look extreamly bad due to them saying it was a religious act.

The other main thing that makes yourselves and many others muslims look bad is the attitude of a few of them.

In my home town if your out in the town center around 7-10pm waiting for a bus home on many occasions ive been called a white bastard (excuse my language) or had said to me "what the fuck you looking at".

On other occasions when we all meet up on a friday night in cars have a chat and a laugh we have asians driving through shouting abuse for no reason at all, on other occasions getting out and wanting to fight people.

Now myself im not racist and have many black and asian friends but this doesnt give a good impression of the muslim community to me.

This is my opinion is some of the reasons that respect and trust is being lost for muslims in general.

the young people u talk about are every where

they dont have knowledge or ability to find out information
so they go round been 'bad gangsters' that cos they dont no any better
based in uk it hard for them to understand asian language and untill there are proper muslim scholars to teach them they wont learn...


also i'm afraid that this is how in the Quran is says the world is going to end..
some information

signs of judgement day are
gay/lesbian couples
men looking like women/ vice versa
music will be poular almost becaoming a religion
tvs in each room of your house..
muslims unable to stick together as a group (this is evident as well) similar to christainity catholic/protestants/roman cathlics etc we have sub groups sunnies/ shiets/ etc

the main one that the world will end in the Islamic 14th century which we are in now 1429 i think... also no one knows how big this century is gonna be...

for those who dont believe or believe science has all the answers
i think u have tunnel vision .... have u had something where u cant get ur head around it or u belive it isnt possible because science cant prove it...

fate/destiny is one thing muslims belive heavliy in

for instance/example 2 couples both the same age /size etc...
one couple got 4 kids the other has none
how do u explain this/
nothing wrong with any of them it just that they are fotuante there destinyy was to have kids the other couple unfortunate not in there destiny to have kids


faisal
hope i explaind that right...

 

[faisalgtturbo]

Hi Phil,

This is one of the problems. The way some muslims explain stuff. The way faisalgtturbo has explained what he is explaining is wrong. Phil, please just read the 3rd link I posted which in the right wording & properly explains WHAT Jihad is / means in Islam and Im sure you'll agree what Jihad actually is, its fine.

This is why I mentioned that Jihad and its understanding in the world at the moment is a major controversial issue at the moment, it is being used by some muslims in the wrong way and not the way it is intended or what it actually means. The write-up in the 3rd link explains all this clearly.

see this is the problem we are having in this counrty... i a muslim but eeven i cant explain it properly... lol


faisal

 

[59bhp]

if jihad is basically practicing religion in the face of predujice and adversity then i have never known religion without it,

its what comes with giving the human race free will.

 

[Jay]

I'm impressed, three pages and this one hasn't turned into a war of words. Nice going people.

Loving the pre-big bang theory being brought up. It's an inherantly flawed argument. Makes me smile everytime

I respect others right to believe in whatever they want.

Just for the record, I believe in nothing.

 

[faisalgtturbo]

if jihad is basically practicing religion in the face of predujice and adversity then i have never known religion without it,

its what comes with giving the human race free will.

exactly what i ment...

sometimes we fight for what we belive is right


faisal

 

[59bhp]

I respect others right to believe in whatever they want.

Just for the record, I believe in nothing.

dont you find that a little depressing? that nothing exists after this physical world?

without faith i think i would think myself into insanity lol

 

[turbospool@1krpm]

if jihad is basically practicing religion in the face of predujice and adversity then i have never known religion without it,

its what comes with giving the human race free will.

Not only in the face of prejudice & adversity, but also stuff like for example, If your living (maybe due to work) in a neighbourhood where you are not accepted due to you being a muslim and are picked on and say suffer abuse, you are required to continue to fulfill your muslim duties and try to ignore all abuse etc all the way UNTIL if you are being abused upto the point where for example your life is in danger. So if people start to enter your house and hit you, you are then allowed fight back upto the point where you have defeated the opposite / made them realise they are wrong or they give up. Nowhere does Islam teach you to kill if you are being picked on or anything alike.

The above is what the forms of Jihad is. In other words one word I would say explains Jihad is " Patience ". Maybe actually the problem is nowadays, not only muslims but general population lacks it.

 

[Gee]

Well, all the answers will be revealed once we die.

 

[faisalgtturbo]

i try to explain... sorry if i get it wrong


muslims believe that we are born with preditermined death that will take place no matter what but our sole (spelling) will live forever...
now your sole will live in heaven or hell dependant on good/bad deeds in your life here on earth... that is conciderd a trial period...

there are many diferent levels of heaven and hell...

when your are bron a contract is made between u (your sole) and god to return .... hence your death is iminent...

no one will live forever...

faisal

 

[faisalgtturbo]

Well, all the answers will be revealed once we die.

too late m8


lol


faisal