£3000 pounds out of pocket

BallıGee

BallıGee

Member +
this is a repost from ukso for members that dont go on there



this post is so i get a view on what other members would do in mine and wickedep situation

a member on this site organized a group buy on 3 sets of dogboxs

heres the link
http://www.ukstarlet...box#entry723330

a deposit was sent over to adamB of 400 pounds and 2weeks later i get a reply say that the dogbox was ready and that he needed final payment which was also sent after 2 months of getting now with a tracking number i decided to do a bit of ringing in malta and have a chat with this guy who keeps promising a tracking no. which i must state is not for me to do but i have money involed and manged to find out who was making them.

this all turned sore when i spoke to konrad about this so called gearbox manufacturer it turns out the guy is a crook

back on the phone to adam to say get our money back as you are the one responable for it
you organized this group buy never said who the manufacture was and you are libeable for my money
which he agreed on the phone so his done the what he need too do at the bank and the police.

two weeks later i ask for any news on this and also asked does he have another option to pay us back or sell parts from his build to pay us back ?

the answer i got was so should chase up the guy in malta and not me !!!!

guys pls shed some light on how to proceed

ive given the main details here and i am willing to go into more detail

could mods make adam aware of this posts

regards gee
 
Killamats

Killamats

Registered Trader <a href="http://www.toyotagtturb
Like Konrad said, I'm afraid you have done business with the wrong person. I'm very sorry for you guys.
 
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AdamB

Member +
As posted on UKSO...

Hi guys,

Sorry for the delay as I have been having exams at uni, so been preparing for them.

First off I would like to say I am sorry, and it is a complete shit situation to be in, it has truely saddend me beyond belief that something like this has happened. I'm not a scammer and have had many deals with people on here and TGTT in buying and selling items.

I'm not trying to start an argument I'm mearly getting my point across.

Both Gee, and Sacha were aware of the manufacturer of these kits, they were both sceptical about sending money without knowing who the manufacturer was, I have nothing to hide nor have I got anything to hide from any member on here. Adding to this, I do not understand why Gee decided to leave it so long before finding out that this/these guys were cons? I done some research on the net and found nothing about the company, other than the address of where they are/were located. I'm not as close to the guys at Zisco as are Gee and Sacha, so cannot understand why their research with the help of Zisco wasn't carried out sooner to save this trouble. Not trying to blame, whats done is done, it is just puzzling for me.

It WAS and still IS my responsability to try and retrieve OUR money back, I would just like to point out that not only have Gee and Sacha been victims of this situation, I have also lost the same amount of money, (circa £2200).

I have made a complete report of all the happenings that I have been through, ie, phoning the bank, going into 3 different branches, contacting who I need to contact etc to try and get this resolved.

I don't need to explain what I have been through as both Gee and Sacha know what I have done to try and get the money back, but for those who don't know it goes a little something like this:

I sent the money through the bank, thinking I would have protection from them incase things go tits up, when the shit did hit the fan, I was straight onto the phone to the bank, I was then told there was a chance of me claiming the money back through a fraud dispute. I then went into branch to get a dispute form where I was told to use the phone to ring their office to get one of these forms sent to me. Whilst on the phone I was then told I wasnt able to claim the money back because it was sent as a transfer, rather than a payment. Great, I wish I would have been told this by the bank at the time of sending the money, considering it was rather a large sum!

After this I went to a different branch were I was told rather than it being a dispute with the bank, it would be a VISA dispute, once again I was told that I couldn't file a dispute with VISA because it was a transfer, not payment.

After phoning Citizens advice, I was informed of a setup called ActionFraud, which work alongside the police to create reports where they will look into them. I first had to issure the guy in Malta with a notice period of intent, to either send the goods, or recieve a refund. None of which was acheived by the end of the notice period. I then made a report with ActionFraud and created a CRN (crime reference number). Whilst creating this report I was told that the best thing to do, since it was an overseas situation was to keep the contact to try and get the money back.

I have kept contact and all I keep getting it seems is excuses, and I really don't know how people can sleep at night by ripping people off. I am a genuine guy, trying to have a better walk of life by going to uni, have me own place and settled in a relationship.

I would have no doubts about giving both Gee and Sacha back their money from my own accord, the fact is I simply don't have the money, nor will I have it for a very long time. I'm more than happy to send them some money, but I doubt they would accept because of such very small sum, and to add to that, I have been on Starlet sites now for the best part of 3 years, since then I have been saving as much money as possible to gather the best parts for my own build, and I can tell all you guys now the only parts I have are, forged pistons, forged rods, headgasket, manifold, downpipe, valve springs, fuel rail and a set of seats. It has taken me 3 years to gather these parts, so you can guess how long it would take me to gather £5000 to pay these guys off!

I don't wish to get such a bad reputation from this, I've been around for quite some time, I have tried to do what is best for all of those involved. I have around 60 emails from this guy in Malta, all saved as evidence, even ones where he says hes willing to give me a refund, yet nothing has been recieved. I also have statements printed off from the bank to prove that I have sent the money.

I'm quite confused as to why this thread has come about in my opinion, this is a public forum not a court, but I feel as if it is trying to make a mockery of myself.
I respect those people that haven't just jumped on the bandwaggon and started slating to me death like would of happened on other forums.

I would be more than happy if anyone has any questions regarding this to PM me, I have nothing to hide, I am a victim of this and not the guy that Gee and Sacha are after.

Thanks
Adam
 
Jay

Jay

Admin
Given that the wheels are in motion it's worth continuing along the fraud lines and maintaining contact with the vendor. Not a nice situation to be in at all. Can only hope you find a resolution lads.
 
Texx

Texx

Super Moderator
There's not a great deal you can do, a money transfer is no different to handing over cash, there's no means to take it back if things go wrong. Keep pushing the legal route, but unless your going to jump on a plane with a small army I fear there's little chance of you getting a refund.

This is one of the main reasons why TGTT only permits group buys organised by official traders.


Best of luck lads.
 
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accent_97

Member +
shit that loads of money:(, in malta is a small comunitty so he can be caught easy, if it was me i make contact with a police and start from there with some information like account transfer number if it was on its name may caught up , this is fraud situtation
 
Killamats

Killamats

Registered Trader <a href="http://www.toyotagtturb
I probably know who this is. I'm afraid to say it won't be easy to get your money back.

I really wish you guys are able to get something back, I honestly don't like to see any of this and it saddens me that Maltese folk might get a bad reputation due to dealing with some scam out there. If it's not very expensive for one or two of you, I suggest you do some good research on the location of the guy and get on a plane and sort it out face to face. I'm not saying you should take the law in hand, but you can discuss the issue and get things sorted while you are here and avoid long proceedings.
 
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