C.S.A's Ruining my life

lingl9z

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Where do i start, was with the mother of my son for 6months and she had fallen pregnant, i was over the moon but soon after finally worked up the courage to split up with her due to the way she treated me from the start (burning neg with cigs when i was drink, putting them out in my drink, punching me in my stomache forcing me to coff up blood as i had a stomache ulcer etc)

Stayed in contact with her to see how pregnancy was going and even offered to come to scans etc, which she still denys to this day.
When she went in labour she never contacted me, wasnt untill he was born then she did so. she wouldnt tell me what hosp she was at and wouldnt let me come and see him so didnt see him for about 3weeks, still being told i could be put on the birth certificate.
Few days after got a txt saying shes done the birth certificate as she had to do it or he wouldnt get registered, i asked if i was put on, she said no and claimed i could be added later... fair enough... so time went on, finaly saw my son was the greast feeling in the world holding him in my arms, only got to see him three times before she decided i couldnt see him.
I then went solicitors etc letters was sent back and fourth untill it was said we'd have to take her to court, Soon after they told me it'd be 2k + and it could be on going with lots of fee's and at the end she still had a bigger chance of winning, upset and skint i had to give up, at this point i had been paying the CSA since a week after his birth, i noticed lots of parents try to escape it, i didnt, i wanted to do the right thing etc, stayed like that for a year (present date) now i've started a new job there whacking the fee up etc and im basicly still getting what i got before changing job so it was kinda pointless, Also i was planning to move out with my present gf then found out that the CSA dont take in to account my payouts (rent, car insurance, phone etc) so as it was i can barely afford to pay rent living at home let alone moving out, Then they told me they will have to know my gf's income so they could reasses me or i'd be taken to court and fined 1k for holding/lying about infromation, now im thinking wtf does she have to do with it, its not her kid and she shouldnt have to fork out money for my son? the money i pay out also wont go down if i was to have another kid with my new gf which is whats sickening, My ex is on benefits and all sorts, afaik has never worked yet shes getting money from me and is clearly out with her mates and buying new clothes and expensive makeup :mad:


Could you please sign these petitions if you think the whole systems taking the piss?

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/scrapcmec/?signed=ddc2ed8.59a91f

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Csaruinslives/#detail

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/csanonres/#detail

Thanks sorry rant over, this is just getting my back up...!
 

lingl9z

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My son when i got to see him for the first time :(
 

stuart

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CSA is a waste of time but has to be done. It took them over a year to finally get round to sorting my daughters payments out, only for them to try and pin me with owing them £1800!! Hope you get things sorted though mate, you have to inform them of ANY changes regarding your circumstances. I originally had a mutual verbal agreement with my daughters mother, but CSA intervened and said we had to go through the 'system' which was a total waste of time, now, after 4 years its sorted but I still apparently have £1800 outstanding on my record...

Chin up kid. Really do feel for you...
 

lingl9z

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CSA is a waste of time but has to be done. It took them over a year to finally get round to sorting my daughters payments out, only for them to try and pin me with owing them £1800!! Hope you get things sorted though mate, you have to inform them of ANY changes regarding your circumstances. I originally had a mutual verbal agreement with my daughters mother, but CSA intervened and said we had to go through the 'system' which was a total waste of time, now, after 4 years its sorted but I still apparently have £1800 outstanding on my record...

Chin up kid. Really do feel for you...

Thanks buddy, there trying to say I owe the money in arreas yet i've been paying it since a week after his birth + updated with payrises etc! its one of those things, rents wanna put rent up and i cant afford to move out or see my son arghhh
 

59bhp

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i really cant offer anything contructive but just wanted to say i really feel for you,

i hope things start to pick up mate.
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
you say your not named on the birth certificate?

can you not contest to the csa that the baby isnt yours?

she wont let you see him anyway, so there wont be nothing lost
 

stuart

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Talk to parents, no harm in talking, or asking for that matter. Don't ask you don't get. Try speaking to a different case-worker from the CSA, ask them to review your situation again and also recalculate what you owe. I'm in Northern England and my case-worker is in Ireland(???) So got this changed to one in Hull and they recalculated things for me, and are currently looking at my arrears too.
 

stuart

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you say your not named on the birth certificate?

can you not contest to the csa that the baby isnt yours?

she wont let you see him anyway, so there wont be nothing lost

Bit heartless that mate..

Birth Certificates aren't worth the paper they are wrote on nowadays with regards to rights, everything has to be done through solicitors.
 

Phenom

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you say your not named on the birth certificate?

can you not contest to the csa that the baby isnt yours?

she wont let you see him anyway, so there wont be nothing lost

Ricky m8 - that won't help at all.
He is trying to do the right thing for his son after all.
The FUKIN SYSTEM STINKS.
 

lingl9z

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i really cant offer anything contructive but just wanted to say i really feel for you,

i hope things start to pick up mate.
Cheers mate appreciate it!

you say your not named on the birth certificate?

can you not contest to the csa that the baby isnt yours?

she wont let you see him anyway, so there wont be nothing lost
I told them about the fact i wasn't on the birth certificate and wished not to pay untill im put on there, they told me [it doesn't matter if your the biological father or not, your down to pay however you can do a DNA test at your expensive, through us] @ £250 or somthing i think it was, and on top of that still wont get put on the birth certificate and if i stopped paying to do the DNA test arrea's would mount up and i'd have to pay for arrea's ontop of the test! by far the most uncomfortable position i've been in.
 

nottyash

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I am lucky in that the CSA are not involved. The rules were different in 1999 when I went through the same thing.
I was paying the morgage and bills for a house she was in whilst living back with parents. I contacted the CSA and they wanted half my income, not taking into account what I was already paying:mad::mad:
The rules were changed to 15% of your disposable income per child.
Disposable income is what you have after your paying rent/ food/ bills/ taxes etc, I think to a max of 33%, but dont quote me as things have probably changed again.
Problem is, once your paying CSA and circemstances change they are not so keen to re access, and I know what you mean about your new GF income, it shouldnt be taken into account.
Have you tried Citizens advice?
Solicters took £2500 of my money and I got nowhere. Luckily I get to see my son although not as often as i would like.
Things will work out in the end, but its tough and the law is on the side of the Woman.
 

lingl9z

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Talk to parents, no harm in talking, or asking for that matter. Don't ask you don't get. Try speaking to a different case-worker from the CSA, ask them to review your situation again and also recalculate what you owe. I'm in Northern England and my case-worker is in Ireland(???) So got this changed to one in Hull and they recalculated things for me, and are currently looking at my arrears too.
Cheers mate i'll see what i can do and see where it leads me, i know it sounds stupid but i'd be better off on the dole, sell the car and then i wont be forced to pay rent money etc. im sure they'd still find away to take that aswell though.

Ricky m8 - that won't help at all.
He is trying to do the right thing for his son after all.
The FUKIN SYSTEM STINKS.

Sure does, they don't take payouts in to account anymore! so its fucked.
 

lingl9z

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I am lucky in that the CSA are not involved. The rules were different in 1999 when I went through the same thing.
I was paying the morgage and bills for a house she was in whilst living back with parents. I contacted the CSA and they wanted half my income, not taking into account what I was already paying:mad::mad:
The rules were changed to 15% of your disposable income per child.
Disposable income is what you have after your paying rent/ food/ bills/ taxes etc, I think to a max of 33%, but dont quote me as things have probably changed again.
Problem is, once your paying CSA and circemstances change they are not so keen to re access, and I know what you mean about your new GF income, it shouldnt be taken into account.
Have you tried Citizens advice?
Solicters took £2500 of my money and I got nowhere. Luckily I get to see my son although not as often as i would like.
Things will work out in the end, but its tough and the law is on the side of the Woman.


Indeed mate, I said about taking in to account the fact i've got lots of payouts to rent, insurance etc and they said it dont matter anymore its the 15% of what you earn after tax! havnt tried Citizens advice yet but i'll head there at some point when i get a chance, whats funnier is i have videos of her being a nob and they say we can't use that as evidence! the first time i see my son an she starts shouting at me for no reason... and the GF thing really does take the piss not got anything to do with her....

My bad this is ment to be a chill out room!
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
Cheers mate appreciate it!


I told them about the fact i wasn't on the birth certificate and wished not to pay untill im put on there, they told me [it doesn't matter if your the biological father or not, your down to pay however you can do a DNA test at your expensive, through us] @ £250 or somthing i think it was, and on top of that still wont get put on the birth certificate and if i stopped paying to do the DNA test arrea's would mount up and i'd have to pay for arrea's ontop of the test! by far the most uncomfortable position i've been in.

i see.

dude i wasnt meaning you should cut all ties with your son or anything,

just thought there must be something possible, i know my dad got away with paying nothing till i was 14 and even then it was only £80 per week, and he was always driving round in lotus elises and various other sports cars, yet never saw me either.
 

stuart

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If you're claiming job seekers, you only have to pay £5 per week to the childs gaurdian/carer.

Don't worry about where you post mate, sometimes better to discuss things with complete strangers, so they can't judge you etc. (PS) Get on phone to CSA.
 

Phenom

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My bad this is ment to be a chill out room!

No probz fella.
Spill it all out, and ffs don't bottle it up, or let it fester.
I do know peeps who have done that with severe consequences.............
 

lingl9z

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i see.

dude i wasnt meaning you should cut all ties with your son or anything,

just thought there must be something possible, i know my dad got away with paying nothing till i was 14 and even then it was only £80 per week, and he was always driving round in lotus elises and various other sports cars, yet never saw me either.
Yeah i know mate no worries! just one of those things was told if you dont start paying you get away with it but soon as you've started thats it your stuck for 16 or 18 years can't remeber! =[ any advice is good advice at this point
If you're claiming job seekers, you only have to pay £5 per week to the childs gaurdian/carer.

Don't worry about where you post mate, sometimes better to discuss things with complete strangers, so they can't judge you etc. (PS) Get on phone to CSA.
I'll give them a call tomorow don't know what they can do though tbh been told countless times that ive gotta pay that amount and thats pretty much final then threaten me with court etc! worth another try though and thanks buddy, do find it easier talking to strangers for that exact reason! but then even if you knew me it wouldnt change a thing, im a good person :) well i hope i am


No probz fella.
Spill it all out, and ffs don't bottle it up, or let it fester.
I do know peeps who have done that with severe consequences.............
I know what you mean... i use to bottle things up and i got serverly depressed by doing so, then i started venting it by writing songs and crap! but it gets to the point when even thats not good enough!

tgtt.ftw
 

jabran200

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Hold on, they want you to pay C.S.A for a baby that theres no proof (on paper that is yours) and i'm assuming you were not married to her?

If what i have said is correct than tbh thats dumb as she could slap it on any old joe. If there is a way to get out of C.S.A do it. I'm no lawyer but I'm sure that aint right but as you said the system is messed up.

Not saying dont give her money, Cancel the C.S.A or whatever and pay her from your pocket in cash as tbh the system is stupid.

Unless you signed some documents declaring yourself as the father i'm sure there will be a way out.

hope you get it sorted, the government takes the right piss sometimes.

sorry if what I say is utter crap as I don't know much about it.

Jabran.
 

lingl9z

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Hold on, they want you to pay C.S.A for a baby that theres no proof (on paper that is yours) and i'm assuming you were not married to her?

If what i have said is correct than tbh thats dumb as she could slap it on any old joe. If there is a way to get out of C.S.A do it. I'm no lawyer but I'm sure that aint right but as you said the system is messed up.

Not saying dont give her money, Cancel the C.S.A or whatever and pay her from your pocket in cash as tbh the system is stupid.

Unless you signed some documents declaring yourself as the father i'm sure there will be a way out.

hope you get it sorted, the government takes the right piss sometimes.

sorry if what I say is utter crap as I don't know much about it.

Jabran.
Indeed mate there's no proof on paper that he's my son. they don't care about that and yes they can trick any old Jo in to paying if they wanted too.

This part of your post - I totally agree with fella......................;)

lol =]
 
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