fuel cut defenders; how they work..

dark_knight

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in the simplest of lay terms, can anyone describe how FCDs work..? i know they clamp the signal feed from the MAPS but how exactly do they do it..? for instance, the HKS one with the adjustable cut-out point..? also, how are they wired in..?
 
I think the HKS is a resistor based FCD so alters the map snesors signal throughout the engines range meaning that the ECU will be fueling for an altered quantity of air throughout.
Turbosmart and JAM based FCD are clamp type and will alter the signal just before the fuelcut voltage to the ecu therefore not affecting the fueling throughout the RPM range.
 

pilgrim_fgau

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I think the HKS is a resistor based FCD so alters the map snesors signal throughout the engines range meaning that the ECU will be fueling for an altered quantity of air throughout.
Turbosmart and JAM based FCD are clamp type and will alter the signal just before the fuelcut voltage to the ecu therefore not affecting the fueling throughout the RPM range.

this AFAIK
 

AdamB

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I believe the HKS one is the worst one to have because it changes the signal at every rpm increment and at every boost level. Where as the other like JAM etc, only change the signal once it see's the preset fuel cut level.
 

corofin12345

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all are bad unless you have fueling mods, i find it amazing to see lads throwing in fcd's and nothing else and wonder then why their engine blows..
 

dark_knight

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MAPS voltage

well, that is the plan eventually for most lads i'm sure.. and anyway, not hitting fuel cut is a good thing if you only want to run, say 0.8/0.9bar.. :)
i've heard fellows on here run 1bar safely with little or even no other mods. how much water does this hold..?

so, not to digress too far from the original thread, the FCDs alter the MAPS voltage. anyone know what levels these voltage readings are..? from 1 to 5v..?
 

lukep

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The HKS one is better by far, Think about it over fuelling can be just as bad as under fuelling. HKS tells the ecu from set go that the boost is a set % lower than it actually is throughout the hole rev/boost range, in theory all you have to do is up the fuel by said %. But the clamp type FCD tells the ecu that the boost is only at a set point no matter what so say it kicks in @ 0.8bar and your running 1.1 bar, your ecu still thinks its running .8 and if your running 2.0bar, your ecu thinks your running 0.8bar. So to get the fuelling right on the JAM you have to up fuel pressure or bigger injectors for 1.1 bar but anything between 1.1 and 0.8bar you will be overfuelling and then anything under 0.8bar will be mega over fuelling, because you've had to set you fuel pressure so high in the first place. Boar wash is just as bad as det. If your going to do it the cheap way use a HKS FCD. or save for proper management. The FTe management overfuels from factory as it is and JAM FCD only make it worse.

I'm I the only one that can see this huge huge, unnessassary fault factor in the clamp type FCD. HKS did it right and using a HKS and FPR is the next best thing as using an emanage/plug and play. The only other factor you then have to worry about is your timing map which no FCD/FPR combo can account for, you have to retard/adavance the timing yourself.
 
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dark_knight

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max safe boost on stock everything

spoken like a true modder lukep.. :D
so assuming i have a HKS and nothing else.. no RRFPR, no bigger injectors, no up-rated pump, what's the safest max boost i can run on stock everything..?
 

lukep

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Standard ecu can fuel upto 12.5psi, that's fuel cut, so don't put a FCD on without and fuelling mods and you then need it checked set up correctly. I've seen a lot of people up fuel pressure from 2.2bar standard to 3.0bar to account for FCD and this is way to high. Get a professional to do it, someone that understands how these systems work, over fuelling is ok so long as it only alittle, under fuelling is not ok in any sense.

12.5 is max so you also need to compesate for creep and air temp I set mine at 10.5 and never hit fuel cut, but all cars are different. Plus I'd ported my waste gate to reduce creep
 
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dark_knight

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so lukep, assuming all factors held constant, the stock ecu and all affiliated fueling management accessories can cope with about 0.85bar, right..?
 

corofin12345

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so lukep, assuming all factors held constant, the stock ecu and all affiliated fueling management accessories can cope with about 0.85bar, right..?

depending on alot of things ya.. wear and tear/condition of fueling setup/climate etc and different engines have all different setups.. no 2 engines are the same... ive seen lads run 1bar of boost on nothing but fcd's and none had a good outcome... fcd's fool the ecu into thinking its giving correct afr's but the engine doesnt get them after factory fuel cut level...
 

dark_knight

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well corofin12345, same way fuel cut will not always protect all engines across the board given all the possible variables, even if assumptions are based on a stock engine, we CAN more or less say that running 0.8bar on a stock engine will be relatively safe, true..? :)
 

Dub-Se7en

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i prefer the HKS because, as said, it alters the signal throughout the rev range, meaning you can alter the fuelling to suit with a RRFPR without causing massive overfueling below 0.85 bar as can happen with a clamp type.

years ago i ran a RRFPR, FCD, along with headwork and returned 202BHP on the CT9 @ 1Bar with good fuel economy :)
 

corofin12345

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well corofin12345, same way fuel cut will not always protect all engines across the board given all the possible variables, even if assumptions are based on a stock engine, we CAN more or less say that running 0.8bar on a stock engine will be relatively safe, true..? :)

yes but i wouldnt go any higher..
 

Arnold

Lifer
all are bad unless you have fueling mods, i find it amazing to see lads throwing in fcd's and nothing else and wonder then why their engine blows..

Agreed. I'd just go Emanage and forget the FPR / FCD option. It's probably the better choice should you wish to tune the engine up further in the future as well.
 
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