maybe its not too late? if we had a leader like this!!

[gv1.3]

one small example dont know if it is relevent but there you go...
(i dont have anything against jewish people or anyone else)

one thing is alot of jewish people if you look through time
changed there names etc because they can blend in .... because of there
skin tone... which is the first thing a person notices when meeting someone
...

alot are now in very good positons of power...

the average muslim will completely refuse to change anything to
progress forward... and alot of muslims are illiterate..... hence some of the cuurent problems they cant win/ or do anything politically correct
so they will use route 1 methods that are out of order (in todays society)


faisal

to me that says jews are willing to compromise and it has gotten them accepted in to our very welcoming and civil western society whereas muslims refuse to compromise and want everything their way.. rather than attempting to fit in to our civil society they push against it. I think this is one of the main reasons I disagree with the muslim religion.

Also your comment is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. You are telling me that because some muslims cannot read they resort to extreme actions? Sorry thats the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard. The majority of people who pull the strings in muslim extremist society have been well educated in western schools. Regardless of ones level of education if a person is fundamentally good they will not commit such acts.

Also to comment on your "out of order (in todays society). You see progression is all about learning from the past. If you look back at acts of violence etc and say "it was okay back then" you are learning nothing from the past. Acts such as collusion between the nazis and muslims in an attempt to rid the world of jews is not only not acceptable today but I really dont think it was acceptable back when it happened either.

People will come up with excuse after excuse after excuse for the actions committed by some others. In reality the reason these actions happen is because people at the top of muslim society tell people at the lower end to carry out these actions. The leaders in the middle east promote a feeling of "us and them" between muslims and non muslims. Westerners are the enemy, non muslims are the enemy, gay people are vile etc etc etc...

People go through their lives turning a blind eye to this but Im sorry I cannot. Ive seen on more than one occasion what is taught to muslims in mosques and it is sick... simply put it is sick. You will defend your beliefs and that is your decision but defend this video taken over the course of several months in one of the most prominent mosques in the UK... then ask yourself if this is being taught in plain sight in a high profile mosque imagine what is going on behind closed doors.

I have no issue with peoples faith and I respect everyones right to practice religion but if its preaching hatred and aggression toward me and the numbers of people practicing this religion are growing and growing then I am going to be worried about where it is leading to and I think open discussion on the matter is vital so that all of the people who live in countries that have an islamic population are aware of what is going on.... If I lived in the UK now I would be terrified.

I urge EVERYONE to watch this: THIS IS WHAT IS TAUGHT IN UK MOSQUES


When the time comes at least I can say I tried to tell people.

PS: before you come back and say other religions do this that and the other I am aware of that and have seen the horrors priests from the catholic church have done to kids etc. The difference between you and I is I will stand up and say it is wrong... you will defend the people who preach hatred in your mosques.

 

[Phil]

one small example dont know if it is relevent but there you go...
(i dont have anything against jewish people or anyone else)

one thing is alot of jewish people if you look through time
changed there names etc because they can blend in .... because of there
skin tone... which is the first thing a person notices when meeting someone
...

alot are now in very good positons of power...

you'd almost swear someone was looking out for them wouldnt you? LOL not many people have had annihilation levelled at them so many times and came out on top it'll finish one day.

the average muslim will completely refuse to change anything to
progress forward... and alot of muslims are illiterate..... hence some of the cuurent problems they cant win/ or do anything politically correct
so they will use route 1 methods that are out of order (in todays society)

and you wonder why they catagorical should not be allowed to live in this country? i ceratinly dont, its as black and white as a native african and irishman.

faisal

meh?!

Phil

 

[faisalgtturbo]

it might happen in some mosques

as discuused before... (not getting in to this again)

but it dont mean every single mosque preaches the same
that is one mosque...
its like me saying all irish were members of the IRA.. or drink guiness
well they prob drink guiness:beer:

(example/ no offence to anyone)


dylan look through youtube for ' the arrivals'
i would like to know what u make of this


faisal

 

[gv1.3]

it might happen in some mosques

as discuused before... (not getting in to this again)

but it dont mean every single mosque preaches the same
that is one mosque...
its like me saying all irish were members of the IRA.. or drink guiness
well they prob drink guiness:beer:

(example/ no offence to anyone)


dylan look through youtube for ' the arrivals'
i would like to know what u make of this


faisal

no see you are trying to divert this again. "it might" so even after looking at that video... plain as day caught on camera several times ... you can see the people and hear them speak... plain as DAY... you still say it "might" happen.

that just shows how brain washed and totally deluded muslims are. you wont believe stuff that is put right in front of you and you will not speak out against it... and why?? because you support it thats why otherwise you would say "its a shame its happening in that mosque I dont agree with anything they teach". You wont say that because you do agree with it.

Also even IF every Irish person was in the IRA or drank Guinness do you see us spreading our hatred throughout the world? There were murders in Northern Ireland recently and everybody came out against them because were a civilized nation who enjoy freedom of speech. We have proven we are not all members of the IRA... you wont even speak out about a video which shows complete and total evidence of what is going on.

 

[Phil]

it clearly does happen in some mosques ?!

we should still have the death penalty or at least very very harsh penalties of treason.

Phil

 

[Phil]

no see you are trying to divert this again. "it might" so even after looking at that video... plain as day caught on camera several times ... you can see the people and hear them speak... plain as DAY... you still say it "might" happen.

that just shows how brain washed and totally deluded muslims are. you wont believe stuff that is put right in front of you and you will not speak out against it... and why?? because you support it thats why otherwise you would say "its a shame its happening in that mosque I dont agree with anything they teach". You wont say that because you do agree with it.

Also even IF every Irish person was in the IRA or drank Guinness do you see us spreading our hatred throughout the world? There were murders in Northern Ireland recently and everybody came out against them because were a civilized nation who enjoy freedom of speech. We have proven we are not all members of the IRA... you wont even speak out about a video which shows complete and total evidence of what is going on.

dylan.

its unbelieveable the mental state of these people, understanding them isnt possible. they rile up inside when anyone questions about what they say or believe.

they are the type of people that never win an arguement but never stop argueing. they have stupifying persistance on their side.

Phil

 

[faisalgtturbo]

i cant believe that because like many tv programmes
what they show is governed by higher people.....


but thats why i am saying it might happen in some mosques...

i am not a comitee member or member of council for mosques..

because i have been to most mosques in bradford nothing
like that happens around here... (that i know of/ when i attend to pray)

i am talking about my experiences.....



faisal

 

[faisalgtturbo]

i aint going round in circles

i'm retired from this discussion...

we aint gonna change anything


all i will finish on is


we are born ...... we live....... then we die......

end of (regardless of who we are/ which religon we are etc..)

faisal

 

[gv1.3]

i cant believe that because like many tv programmes
what they show is governed by higher people.....


but thats why i am saying it might happen in some mosques...

i am not a comitee member or member of council for mosques..

because i have been to most mosques in bradford nothing
like that happens around here... (that i know of/ when i attend to pray)

i am talking about my experiences.....



faisal

sorry Faisal I dont know you well enough to believe you or not. I can believe that video because it is fact. You are now turning it into a conspiracy... so higher powers that control the media allowed that to be broadcast... fine... lets say that did happen. They are only broadcasting what high up members of your faith are saying. Nobody forced these people to say these things... they just didnt know they were being filmed that all. So had they known then I am sure their teachings would have been tailored to our tastes showing us the kind warm hearted side of the islamic faith... what a load of toss. The people who preach to you guys have been filmed doing what they do every week. There are more people outside selling DVDs of the crap they are teaching... maybe it doesnt happen every week maybe the reporter put a mask on and filmed himself saying that shit... and maybe he got his friend to sell DVDs etc outside a mosque promoting anti western views.... maybe maybe maybe...

Your religion and movement is exposed Faisal accept it.

 

[FeNder]

classic generalization , you're talking about some of the muslims in the uk ,
how many muslims are there in the uk , 5 million ? i guess even less , and what % of those muslims are deluded extremists ? 50% u wanna say , so 2.5 million , is the sample uve madee ur judgement upon ,
were are 65 million muslims here , and we dont have mosques that preach like those mad men , the secret to statistical success , is a large sample , case control studies and cohort studies , basics mate sorry , muslims in the uk are a tiny sample . FAIL

 

[Phil]

i aint going round in circles

i'm retired from this discussion...

we aint gonna change anything


all i will finish on is


we are born ...... we live....... then we die......

end of (regardless of who we are/ which religon we are etc..)

faisal

granted we will change nothing.


but in some cases

we are born... we are non muslim ... then we are killed by a islamic extremist.

end of (for some people) so its hardly regardless of what religion we are!?

Phil

 

[gv1.3]

all i will finish on is


we are born ...... we live....... then we die......

allow me to address this.

We are born: yes we are and no one person is better than any other regardless of what your religion teaches you


We live: yes we do. And the way that we live is not anybody elses business especially not some religious group that judges people based upon their personal choices


We Die: Yes... but not at the hands of murderers in the name of islam.

 

[FeNder]

u're both using plurals , WE die , we are all against extremists , here police kickass if theres any extremist detected , very sensitive about that .
if you count how many died at hands of extremists ull find theyre 5% of the children and mothers who died in 3 weeks couple of months ago in palestine , if you read the observer , or hear of human rights watch , ull find that israeli forces are convicted and guilty of mass murder of innocents , proven , i dont see you complaining eh .

 

[Phil]

classic generalization , you're talking about some of the muslims in the uk ,
how many muslims are there in the uk , 5 million ? i guess even less , and what % of those muslims are deluded extremists ? 50% u wanna say , so 2.5 million , is the sample uve madee ur judgement upon ,
were are 65 million muslims here , and we dont have mosques that preach like those mad men , the secret to statistical success , is a large sample , case control studies and cohort studies , basics mate sorry , muslims in the uk are a tiny sample . FAIL

you see we dont care about millions of muslims at all. we care about the people inside the uk or people who affect us. so the "sample" is based on what we see or hear inside the UK.

we dont care if you think the muslims in the UK have failed your massive religion, we'd rather not have any deluded extremists at all!!

if we lock up extremists of our native religions whats the problem with deporting the extremists of the muslims religion?

Phil

 

[FeNder]

Mr phil , we meet again heh , dude you can deport them on suspicion for all i care , i dont want anyone to tarnish our image , when we find them here we lock the, up for 30yrs plus btw

 

[Phil]

ull find that israeli forces are convicted and guilty of mass murder of innocents , proven , i dont see you complaining eh .

certainly not. why would we? its not inside the UK? it doesnt affect us?

now if you ask me or any other normal person, they will happily agree with you that its totally wrong and it would be unacceptable in our country.

but turn it around and you wouldnt happily say that the israeli thats shot by the muslim was bang out of order...would you? no you fellas would start going on about what the circumstances were or even start justifying it, throwing up of instances of opposing violence!! go figure.

Phil

 

[gv1.3]

classic generalization , you're talking about some of the muslims in the uk ,
how many muslims are there in the uk , 5 million ? i guess even less , and what % of those muslims are deluded extremists ? 50% u wanna say , so 2.5 million , is the sample uve madee ur judgement upon ,
were are 65 million muslims here , and we dont have mosques that preach like those mad men , the secret to statistical success , is a large sample , case control studies and cohort studies , basics mate sorry , muslims in the uk are a tiny sample . FAIL

allow me to clear this one up for you and address your so called FAIL

FACT: Iran (the islamic republic of iran) has a population around about 65 million people. The head of their government has publicly said he will wipe Israel off the face of the earth and the country is blatantly anti West.

FACT: Muslims colluded with the nazis in the attempted extermination of the jews killing millions of people.

FACT: The people in the video I posted who speak from Saudi also speak to mosques all over the world and give guidance. This gives them exposure to a huge number (who knows how many people) so to say it is just the UK is rubbish

FACT: Islamic law is cruel sick and depraved, this shows a great insight in to the minds of people who control the religion

FACT: Islam teaches hatred toward people such as homosexuals and others who do not conform to the muslim faith.


These are all facts... so you my friend fail. You can in no way defend any of the points above as they are all well proven fact. The people in that video pulling the strings are not based in the UK they are based in the middle east.. to say its just an issue in the UK is pretty much stupid.

 

[Phil]

Mr phil , we meet again heh , dude you can deport them on suspicion for all i care , i dont want anyone to tarnish our image , when we find them here we lock the, up for 30yrs plus btw

haha we do fender!

i would rather be tolerant, but it seems unfair to tolerate a lesser force that has no intention of tolerating us?

remember these folk or their fore fathers choose to come to this country, they should have read up on our religion and how we deal/what we think of treason and/or murder!

Phil

 

[Phil]

You can in no way defend any of the points above as they are all well proven fact. The people in that video pulling the strings are not based in the UK they are based in the middle east.. to say its just an issue in the UK is pretty much stupid.

i have to agree(you knew that anyway!)

but seriously why would the bombers go to train and be brainwashed in pakistan of some other "stan" if it was the UK that was the heart beat of these twisted bin lids. ?!

Phil

 

[FeNder]

i certainly can , cause unlike you i dont depend on google for my information ,
ive been around most of the world east and west ,

1) it is known that iran are shiettes , shiaa , not sunni , thats like catholic and protestants , shiaa hate us , sunnis , cause we're alot more flexible to how they are , up to the extent that iranian shiaa assassinated our president in the 80s .

2) saudi arabia are part sunni and part shiaaa , the shiaa part are hard and cruel like iran .

3) if you read and understand arabic you would understand its about peace , the main salute to everyone of every religion is peace be upon you , u know this part .

4) your church and your bible and the jewish holy book are against two things in common , sex before marriage and homosexuals , your own chruch of england was against it till they got tired .

5) the example of my country kicking jews out in the 50s or something was internal affairs , the president kicked EGYptians out , its none of anyones business , at time of war with a country where they would be a risk of espionage clearly .

6) this is a bonus point : the british occupied my country for around " 84 " years , my hometown , was burnt down , great grandfather hanged infront of his home , theres a musuem now there , called donshwai musuem , and you dont see me anti british or anti catholic , im a normal person who sees that one can never take on peacful civilians , coz its unfair , although it has been exercised on my direct family .

i never fail my friend