Oil advice for modifiers

oilman

Trader
If you are modding your car and adding BHP or using it off road then consider your oil choice carefully as the stock manufacturers recommended oil will not give you the protection that your engine requires.

A standard oil will not be thermally stable enough to cope with higher temperatures without "shearing" meaning that the oil will not give the same protection after a couple of thousand miles as it it when it was new.

Let’s start with the fundamentals. An engine is a device for converting fuel into motive power. Car enthusiasts get so deep into the details they lose sight of this!

To get more power, an engine must be modified such that it converts more fuel per minute into power than it did in standard form. To produce 6.6 million foot-pounds per minute of power (ie 200 BHP) a modern engine will burn about 0.5 litres of fuel per minute.(Equivalent to 18mpg at 120mph). So, to increase this output to 300BHP or 9.9 million foot-pounds per minute it must be modified to burn (in theory) 0.75 litres.

However, fuel efficiency often goes out of the window when power is the only consideration, so the true fuel burn will be rather more than 0.75 litres/min.

That’s the fundamental point, here’s the fundamental problem:

Less than 30% of the fuel (assuming it’s petrol) is converted to all those foot-pounds. The rest is thrown away as waste heat. True, most of it goes down the exhaust, but over 10% has to be eliminated from the engine internals, and the first line of defence is the oil.

More power means a bigger heat elimination problem. Every component runs hotter; For instance, piston crowns and rings will be running at 280-300C instead of a more normal 240-260C, so it is essential that the oil films on cylinder walls provide an efficient heat path to the block casting, and finally to the coolant.

Any breakdown or carbonisation of the oil will restrict the heat transfer area, leading to serious overheating.

A modern synthetic lubricant based on true temperature-resistant synthetics is essential for long-term reliability. At 250C+, a mineral or hydrocracked mineral oil, particularly a 5W/X or 10W/X grade, is surprisingly volatile, and an oil film around this temperature will be severely depleted by evaporation loss.

Back in the 1970s the solution was to use a thick oil, typically 20W/50; in the late 1980s even 10W/60 grades were used. But in modern very high RPM engines with efficient high-delivery oil pumps thick oils waste power, and impede heat transfer in some situations.

A light viscosity good synthetic formulated for severe competition use is the logical and intelligent choice for the 21st century.

You must seriously consider a "true" synthetic for "shear stability" and the right level of protection.

Petroleum oils tend to have low resistance to “shearing” because petroleum oils are made with light weight basestocks to begin with, they tend to burn off easily in high temperature conditions which causes deposit formation and oil consumption.
As a result of excessive oil burning and susceptibility to shearing (as well as other factors) petroleum oils must be changed more frequently than synthetics.

True synthetic oils (PAO’s and Esters) contain basically no waxy contamination to cause crystallization and oil thickening at cold temperatures. In addition, synthetic basestocks do not thin out very much as temperatures increase. So, pour point depressants are unnecessary and higher viscosity basestock fluids can be used which will still meet the "W" requirements for pumpability.

Hence, little or no VI improver additive would need to be used to meet the sae 30, 40 or 50 classification while still meeting 0W or 5W requirements.

The end result is that very little shearing occurs within true synthetic oils because they are not "propped up" with viscosity index improvers. There simply is no place to shear back to. In fact, this is easy to prove by just comparing synthetic and petroleum oils of the same grade.

Of course, the obvious result is that your oil remains "in grade" for a much longer period of time for better engine protection and longer oil life.

If you would like advice then please feel free to ask.

Cheers
Guy
 
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Animal GT

Guest
wat do you tink of the silcolene pro s stuff 10w50?? and also the silcolene superma 15w50

they are wat i use!
i used the superma for run in miles and onto the pro s stuff when ready to rock!
 

oilman

Trader
Pro S 10w-50 is a great oil, but unless you have consumption issues go for the Pro S 5w-40.

Superma, makes a fine running in oil!

Cheers

Guy
 

monka

Member +
so in my car at the moment i'm running castrol gtx 10w40

with what you have said above, what would you recomend?

and if going from semi synth to fully synth, do i need to flush all the old stuff out? are the 4eftes ok on fully synth stuff?
 

oilman

Trader
Think it is better to buy less expensive oil, and change more often.


What do you think..

In my opinion no, if you use a cheap oil that only protects so well, over a good one that protects really well then no matter how much you change the cheap oil, its still not doing as good a job as the good oil.

Cheers

Guy
 

oilman

Trader
so in my car at the moment i'm running castrol gtx 10w40

with what you have said above, what would you recomend?

and if going from semi synth to fully synth, do i need to flush all the old stuff out? are the 4eftes ok on fully synth stuff?


No need to flush, just drain and replace with a decent 5w-40 synthetic.

Cheers

Guy
 

Ted

Member +
hi mate, is the 4e designed to run on fully synthetic? and which commonly available one would be good? lucas, mobil 1, silkolene?

and are oil stabilisers like the lucas one worth trying?
 

oilman

Trader
The engine is designed to run on a viscosity, they are not smart enough to know what oil is made from, so it will run on anything from boggo mineral oil to a grade synthetics as long as the viscosity is correct. The quality of the oil depends on what the owner chooses to use, and of course synthetics are the best quality.

Cheers

Guy
 

sx_turbo

Lifer
hey oilman,

i posted up all your threads on a mini turbo forum,and they basicly said you are a spammer and you talk rubbish, because there engine's and gearbox's use the same oil they say that fully synthetic will ruin there engines.

the closest they will go to synthetic is millers 20w50 cvt semi synthetic.

why are they being so bone idle?

and exactly what would be the best type of oil for them to use?

please dont give references for stuff you sell but give secifications they should be looking for,

they keep banging on about zddp or something like that,

the reason for my question is that i'm trying to get my mate to buy decent oil for his mini, but he doesnt want to risk it because of what the "keyboard experts" say.
 

oilman

Trader
They are partly being bone idle. The zddp thing is important for anti wear in these which means avoid API SM spec oils.

As for synthetic, as I said in my post the correct synthetic is whats important. Think of another form of transport that shares engine and gearbox oil... A motorbike! And synthetics work very well in those. One oil I recommended was a bike oil, made from hydrocracked mineral oil, essentially 100% mineral oil... Just very highly refined. The other was a car oil, also containing some mineral base stock, all pre API SM so plenty of ZDDP.

These oils are well proven in these traditional mini applications, especially for modified and race use. Also genuine synthetics have been proven to work well to.

Talk rubbish. My arse they just dont want to listen.

Cheers

Guy
 
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