300whp Jamaica style

[eptercel82]

presentable is good but ive seen some show quality engine bays that are only that show they have good products on there but dont go nowhere..

and i do believe that thats only a mockup of everything..it will get cleaned up once its all sorted out..

 

[Sheldon]

And before anyone else says anything, the coil-packs were just placed there for picture. We are still working out some of the wiring issues with the Microtech as we've been unable to start the car using it.

i like what you chaps are doing over there, but i think you should take abit more time in making it abit more presentable, the pic of the engine bay with all the wires every looks like a fire waiting to happen

two standard HG should be a good crack tho

just read

 

[hardcoreep]

Ya no problem, you said near the start of the thread you used 2 head gaskests for your compression for your turbo..

What size altogether is you head gasket now??(1.5mm)??

What piston rings did you use on the 4efte piston in the 5e block?(4e or 5e)??

double headgasket theory i tried double headgasket and it didnt work out for me so i went with a single head gasket on mine and its doing real good aswell.

1: I think I said its possible to use two headgaskets. Several of my friends run 5E with 4E pistons and DOUBLE STOCK head gaskets to further lower the Compression ratio. We have opted not to use two, but only one stock head gasket. This is due to the fact that our standalone management will give us greater control than a piggyback, which brings us to...

also whats the issues on that microtech youre having hardcore ive messed with them before and i love the whole tuning side of it wethere it being microtech or emanage even motec.. so let me know if i can help out it'd be my pleasure aswell.. also i have an emanage here maybe he'd like to work something out..

The reason the owner went with the Microtech was because he got it free. He'd rather not spend the money on the E-manage due to the retention of the stock ECU. I can't convince him otherwise, and he has a point. The problem is getting the damn thing to work.

2:Factory head gasket is 1mm. From the other guys using two, CR drops into the 7s.

3:They are 4E-FE piston rings.

also were do you get your cams out there from i know puffy is on some cams and that ep71 sounds real good just curious aswell im going into the market of purchasing cams and valvetrain with that extra 4e head i have lying around..

I dont know anything about Puffy's car. Since we get a huge number of used cars and parts here its was inevitable that JDM cams would be found. As I did with my JAM Racing cams I paired with another Starlet owner, bought them from Japan and sent them to the USA to be copied on a reground set as per by deal with the guy. Others have done the same with the various cams they've found in used engines. For a while Ted's Cams in Canada was the primary source if regrinds since they charge $150 for a pair.

it mite make 300whp but for how long

Fair question. Straight answer, even if it doesn't make 300whp for a week it would still be a higher milestone than most UK cars. Guys on this site seem to struggle to make 250whp. However, giving the local history 300whp 5Es can last for a long time if the owner doesn't get stupid. I've seen a fully built 300whp 5E last a day as the owner got lead foot disease trying to race a turbo honda. He wound the boost past the level he was told to run. On the other hand, my friend Juice has had his running for several years now and its daily driven at 300whp.

 

[lee-d]

bloody hell you guys have got it good out there in the sunny jamaica,i thaught you guys where all riding round in rusty old vans and salt weatherd crap cars,
instead your kickin it with mint 300hp glanza's probably with a bag full of the finest mountin grown organic sativa sensimillia,with one of them fit booty shaking black girls in the passenger ,theres snow out side my bloody door,

anyway you lucky sod!,

how come you dont get thicker gaskets for cr,

with the stock 4e pistons on the 5e thick rods and one stock gasket, how much cr do you think you have ,

if you had to use the standard crap 92-95 octane fuel that we do would your engines last as long then,

 

[AzE_B]

you lot must not drive you cars hard, i pretty sure if i had this build it wouldnt last a week lol

 

[Sheldon]

bloody hell you guys have got it good out there in the sunny jamaica,i thaught you guys where all riding round in rusty old vans and salt weatherd crap cars,
instead your kickin it with mint 300hp glanza's probably with a bag full of the finest mountin grown organic sativa sensimillia,with one of them fit booty shaking black girls in the passenger ,theres snow out side my bloody door,

lmao!

 

[hardcoreep]

how come you dont get thicker gaskets for cr,

Its called money. We dont have the budgets you UK guys have so we have to improvise. History has proved the factory headgaskets are up to the task, so most use them. People running mega power just buy head studs and still retain the stock gasket.

with the stock 4e pistons on the 5e thick rods and one stock gasket, how much cr do you think you have

I've never tested in recent memory, but I was told by a Japanese engine builder that the CR with the 4E pistons is 8.5:1.

if you had to use the standard crap 92-95 octane fuel that we do would your engines last as long then,

In Jamaica we currently only have 87 and 90 octane. We switched to E10 blend in november last year and the 90 octane RON is 93. My research shows UK gas is RON 96 and up. Therefore your 92 would be 96RON and the 95 octane 99RON thereabouts. The conclusion is that our highest gas is three points lower than your lowest.

 

[lee-d]

thanks for tacking the time to answer my questions,looking forward to you getting your build finished and seeing what you think of your hard work,
i too am on a budget with anything i want ,thats why i like your style,real old skool tuning ,some of these lads with forged this and that ,spend as much on tunning the engine as i can on the whole car,

 

[hardcoreep]

Honestly, if I had the money I'd do what a lot of these guys do, but I'm sure I'd be getting way better figures.

 

[fastglanza]

hardcoreep..u r saying the 4e pistons in a 5e with a stock 4e gasket the comp is ~8.5? Reason i am clarifyin is that i remember a long while back on wheelsjamaica Max told me its was more around 9.1:1?

again as u said nothing has been really done to calculate that cr of this combo..

 

[GaryGT]

that Engine bay is a disgrace and a fire waiting to happen!!
just because ur Budget is low doesnt meanu cant tidy up the engine bay!!
thats just poor workmanship.
and ur coilpack beside the manifold not very clever and the wires running across it???
Get that sorted or ul have a nice little fire for urself!!

 

[Phil]

thats just poor workmanship.
and ur coilpack beside the manifold not very clever and the wires running across it???
Get that sorted or ul have a nice little fire for urself!!

And before anyone else says anything, the coil-packs were just placed there for picture. We are still working out some of the wiring issues with the Microtech as we've been unable to start the car using it.

Phil

 

[GaryGT]

ok retract my latter statement didnt read that bit

 

[Phil]

haha no prob gary.

i agree with azeB i reckon this is just power for a purpose.

25 min flat out and she'd be in pieces.

Phil

 

[GaryGT]

haha no prob gary.

i agree with azeB i reckon this is just power for a purpose.

25 min flat out and she'd be in pieces.

Phil

Look best to luck to the lads with der Build hope it runs well for them

 

[gorganl2000]

hardcoreep..u r saying the 4e pistons in a 5e with a stock 4e gasket the comp is ~8.5? Reason i am clarifyin is that i remember a long while back on wheelsjamaica Max told me its was more around 9.1:1?

again as u said nothing has been really done to calculate that cr of this combo..

from my calculations....the 5e running 4efte pistons and 4efte head gasket yields a CR of 9.0 - 9.1
...my calculation also estimate cylinder pressures between 170-185 psi per cylinder

from what i've seen in reality, the cylinder pressures tend to be in that range above

 

[gorganl2000]

haha no prob gary.

i agree with azeB i reckon this is just power for a purpose.

25 min flat out and she'd be in pieces.

Phil

hey phil...how goes it boss...hope all is well

question...when you say 25mins flat out.....what exactly do you mean?...do you mean 25mins at WOT 100% of that time OR do you mean 25 mins on a track/rally circuit (off and on throttle constantly)?

 

[_GAZ_EP85_]

i dont think no one is stupid enough to wot for 25 min's, i done 90 miles at the cadwell track day proper flat out, just cant see stock rods or HG taking that abuse

BUT
it depends what your building the car for, if it's just for fiqure's or 1/4 mile it will prob be fine

 

[lee-d]

i have spent 3 nights reading all the jamaica websites on tunning,and loads of them run the stock 5e engine for big power,its seems that there drag fuel does seem to give them about 70-90 hp on top of there standard fuel set up sometimes and allows them to run higher,much higher boost,one guy said 28 psi?,but they do still run crap fuel during the day etc and get big power,from what i read they do do all hardcore says,all the videos ive searched for of these guys there cars are fast as ,and like he says in the start of thread its all most undocumented bcos its so common,there understanding of the 5e seems to lie in the ecu and piggy back set up ,and tune them to the perfect harmony,

 

[Phil]

hey phil...how goes it boss...hope all is well

question...when you say 25mins flat out.....what exactly do you mean?...do you mean 25mins at WOT 100% of that time OR do you mean 25 mins on a track/rally circuit (off and on throttle constantly)?

i mean 25min(maybe not as long say 15 min?) hard as you can go on the road. not always breaking the speed limit mind you tight twisty roads/mixed fast roads. so on and off the throttle constantly, engine braking straight to WOT and repeat.

BUT
it depends what your building the car for, if it's just for fiqure's or 1/4 mile it will prob be fine

i agree built for a purpose, cant see it maintaining those revs temps or pressures on stock rings/rods anywhere but the strip/dyno. daily driven it could survive obviously so long as it isnt thrashed for any prolonged periods of time.

i will however accept your guys point and always have that many people in the uk, suffer det from there own mistakes and stick forgies in to mask this problem. its not good practice. but that isnt all of us.

Phil