300whp Jamaica style

[A172]

greetings from a fellow Caribbean tuner

300whp gonna be a breeze given u guys' reputation and how we share similar tuning patterns

as for whether it'll last, my tuner personally crossed 300whp over a year and a half ago on his stock internals 5efte and the engine's still healthy

as he always says, it all depends on the tune

all the best!

 

[hardcoreep]

SO Hardcoreep,what is ur take on the EMU for engine management?

I think its the best thing since sliced bread. I recommend it highly as a cost effective tuning solution for the Starlet. It seems to work wonders on the EP with both stock and aftermarket ECUs and can deliver what the average Starlet owner wants in terms of power.

1: Its cheap
2: Its easy to install
3: Offers a higher level of refinement and control over the main rival, the RRFP, and the SAFC.

The owner finally gave up on tuning the Microtech by himself and has carried the car to a specialist to figure out the wiring issues, and then tune it.

 

[NosydneW]

Hardcore you are right about that !! When I say 300 bhp over here on a 1.3/1.5 Starlet, they are always saying " Not possible ,..its gonna break something" Until you show them dyno graphs of 1.5/2.0 bar boost with a lot more than 300bhp.
I am originally from Curacao....300bhp for a starlet is not a big deal there but here in the Netherlands they will tell me that I will break my engine for sure lol !!

Over here tuners are like scared to push them little engines with some good tuning . They will always tune on the save side to " save the little toyota engine " :teach:. You must litteraly keep telling the tuner to forget his initial thoughts and tune the car just as aggresive:freddy: he would tune a bigger EDM car.

I also noticed that they simply don't know what the 4e / 5e are capable of.

 

[gorganl2000]

I think its the best thing since sliced bread. I recommend it highly as a cost effective tuning solution for the Starlet. It seems to work wonders on the EP with both stock and aftermarket ECUs and can deliver what the average Starlet owner wants in terms of power.

1: Its cheap
2: Its easy to install
3: Offers a higher level of refinement and control over the main rival, the RRFP, and the SAFC.

The owner finally gave up on tuning the Microtech by himself and has carried the car to a specialist to figure out the wiring issues, and then tune it.

i've been saying this for a while now,,,,,that for a wide number of 4e/5e builds we tend to see...i seems like the emu is up to the job

yes, standalones have their place depending on the variables as well---before anyone misinterpret what i'm saying

however, with the advent of relatively cheap standalones now such as MS, i dont know what the future will hold for piggybacks...i guess it will depend on how reliable and good/bad these "cheaper" standalones work over time as people try them---some may even be plug and play soon

 

[Chris@CCM]

emu is top class for the money ive found (testn it after work) away to make it 32x32 in both fuel and ing maps costs nothing too

 

[Chris@CCM]

yeah it works

 

[spuddy]

yeah it works

Good stuff!

 

[blakchiney]

rory. whats up. its chaddy p.

why you never post this in the wheelsjamaica.com website. it would have been more appreciated there and advice and know how would have been attained easier aswell.

i used to post on this site. but nobody belived me when i told them that i made 294 whp on the exact same engine specs as this car. i mean what do we in jamaica know about starlets. we still live live huts and wear loin cloth :haha::haha: . how could we possibly make 300 whp on stock internals, a 5e na manifold with a POS td05 16 g that we begged from an evo 3 owner.

i dont blame these guys. does this really look like a 294 whp engine that still has a/c and powersteering

i mean it doesnt even have a crome tappets cover or an upgraded fpr

i wouldnt belive us either


peace

i

 

[A172]

Chaddy P what's up bro?

I remember you from across on TriniTuner where those boys were actually arguing that a 4age > 4efte :haha:

kudos on your build also man.....was following it over at WJ

 

[blakchiney]

yah i remember that thread lol.

keep in tune to the build on wheelsjamaica . new setup now. plus we going nos and meth and some other goodies

 

[gorganl2000]

well chaddy P...i follow wheelsjamaica close also...nice site....and i followed your project over the years---i think u sold it now?? (correct me if i'm wrong)

i was interested in how it progressed from one phase to the next...i think u did some good 1/4 mile times also...if i remember correctly

plus i remember asking u guys in jamtown for a lot of advice when i was first considering building a "5efte"

well...hardcoreep's post is partly concerned with busting the myth that 300whp cant be done on stock internals, showing the world how they do it in jamtown and giving general information too ...i suppose

 

[Toyota T23]

300hp, what size injectors/duty cycle, and fuel pressure..

 

[Guye]

well...hardcoreep's post is partly concerned with busting the myth that 300whp cant be done on stock internals, showing the world how they do it in jamtown and giving general information too ...i suppose

Sorry to be pessimistic. I honesty can't help but shake the feeling that even if/when this project is done and the 300whp on stock innards(which we in the c'bean have seen before) is acheived, there will still be disputes...I'll be surprised if there isn't.

 

[Toyota T23]

Sorry to be pessimistic. I honesty can't help but shake the feeling that even if/when this project is done and the 300whp on stock innards(which we in the c'bean have seen before) is acheived, there will still be disputes...I'll be surprised if there isn't.

Well, if you guys messure HP the same way as those comboys in USA, then you will be very disipointed if you took the car to Europe and tryed dyno it here...

Even guys from UK get mad at dyno meeting here ind denmark.
We had some trouble with some supra guys 2 years ago

But a good pointer, is if people tell what injector size, an what duty cycle on injectors, and fuel pressore

 

[blakchiney]

well chaddy P...i follow wheelsjamaica close also...nice site....and i followed your project over the years---i think u sold it now?? (correct me if i'm wrong)

i was interested in how it progressed from one phase to the next...i think u did some good 1/4 mile times also...if i remember correctly

plus i remember asking u guys in jamtown for a lot of advice when i was first considering building a "5efte"

well...hardcoreep's post is partly concerned with busting the myth that 300whp cant be done on stock internals, showing the world how they do it in jamtown and giving general information too ...i suppose

no i still have it. would never sell that car. u should check back the forum again. bigger things happening.

i understand what hardcore ep is doing. but its mostly in vain. as i said i came here explaining my stock 5efhe build that yeilded 294 whp and my engine builder also noel rhone that made 364 on a stock 5e engine. but we coloners that live in huts and chop coconuts all day have no clue what we are talking about and since the UK boys cant do it we must be chatting bollucks :haha:

 

[blakchiney]

300hp, what size injectors/duty cycle, and fuel pressure..

550 cc rc injectors, emanage says we running at 80% duty cycle on full boost which is 26 psi for me, this equates to a very rich average afr of 10.8 : 1.

i dont know what the fuel pressure is as we dont waste money on aftermarket FPR's. stock one works just fine. we just buy a walbro 255 lph pump. stock fuel rail and all.

but me putting this here is a waste as no one is gonna belive anyway and quite frankly i dont care.

 

[gorganl2000]

Sorry to be pessimistic. I honesty can't help but shake the feeling that even if/when this project is done and the 300whp on stock innards(which we in the c'bean have seen before) is acheived, there will still be disputes...I'll be surprised if there isn't.

this world is filled with disputes---from creation to termination it will remain that way

i chose my words carefully, as i never tried to imply that once hardcoreep is done, everyone will be a believers-----like u, i highly doubt that:haha::haha:...

however, i just stated what he was trying to bring over to the forum,,,, thus far, the tread has already had its share of positive and negative responses...and it shall continue no doubts

but at least what was done will be there for people to draw their own opinions---however they choose to, that's their personal choice

 

[gorganl2000]

no i still have it. would never sell that car. u should check back the forum again. bigger things happening.

i understand what hardcore ep is doing. but its mostly in vain. as i said i came here explaining my stock 5efhe build that yeilded 294 whp and my engine builder also noel rhone that made 364 on a stock 5e engine. but we coloners that live in huts and chop coconuts all day have no clue what we are talking about and since the UK boys cant do it we must be chatting bollucks :haha:

noel is spi...right?!?!...yeah i still go on the forum
i know from a logn time ago u guys were building powerful stock builds...and still doing it...i have no problem with it

i guess some of the members just find it hard to believe ....while some members question reliability....while some question dyno results accuracy....etc......and then some question everything:haha::haha:....so its a lot of little parts that make up the "concerns" seen

maybe in hardcoreep's write up....maybe a few people will see something that answers thier questions.....some will not.....but anyone who can learn anything at all from it (even the slightest)...i would say something good was achieved

PS---they will still be non believers....can't let that phase life and progression....different strokes for different folks...nothing wrong with that

 

[Ted]

dont think too many people over here doubt it can be done. way i see it im gonna fuck something up somewhere like blow a hose off something and run lean accidentally. if its forged youve got a chance of surviving the detonation caused, thats the only reason we dont do it( and we are used to 4e rods failing at 1.3 bar so assumed the 5e would be the same)

 

[gorganl2000]

yo ted
some guys in the caribbean have run 5efhe rods between 1.5 and 2.0 bar of pressure..and it works for a large majority of them

would i do it on 5efhe rods, probably not:haha:...but it has been done in the past and present...and i suppose the future too

yeah, i guess with any engine, something crappy like a hose blowing off can kill any build....just one of those unlucky things which can happen i suppose