300whp Jamaica style
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hardcoreep
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Black front mounted intercooler for stealth reasons, but I'm not sure why you'd want to be stealthy, the car is a GT TURBO and no one is going to be fooled.
Okay guys, welcome back for the 2010. The project continues with good progress. The engine was started with the standard ECU allowing us to check for water and oil leaks, all of which were repaired.
The engine is in and functioning fine.
hardcoreep
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Before we moved any further we needed to address brakes. The AE101 SuperStrut brakes, these are larger rotors with twin piston sliding calipers, were sourced for the project and the owner given the three options for attachment.
The AE101 SS brake set up. These brakes are also found on the AE101 GTZ and the AE111 SS models and can be had for dirt cheap here in Jamaica.
The first is what I have on my own car, the rotors are machined down to the diameter of the stock EP brakes and the calipers simply bolted up. Simple, easy, cheap, and reversible. Despite their smaller size I have had no problem with brakes which I suspect is due more to the caliper and the rotor's ability to resist heat. The second option is to build adapter brackets, and the third is to weld tabs onto the hubs themselves. The last two options allow you to use the rotors at full height.
One of the reasons why I opted for option one on my personal car is because I have ZERO faith in the ability of anyone locally to provide me with adapter brackets of any quality. This is what this owner found out. After having brackets made up they were unable to fit the brakes properly, thus they were eventually welded to the hubs. Doing this requires new bearings and seals as the heat will damage them. The car needs new ones anyway so they will be replaced.
As you can clearly see, the ill fitting adapter brackets were just welded to the hubs.
The AE101 SS brake set up. These brakes are also found on the AE101 GTZ and the AE111 SS models and can be had for dirt cheap here in Jamaica.
The first is what I have on my own car, the rotors are machined down to the diameter of the stock EP brakes and the calipers simply bolted up. Simple, easy, cheap, and reversible. Despite their smaller size I have had no problem with brakes which I suspect is due more to the caliper and the rotor's ability to resist heat. The second option is to build adapter brackets, and the third is to weld tabs onto the hubs themselves. The last two options allow you to use the rotors at full height.
One of the reasons why I opted for option one on my personal car is because I have ZERO faith in the ability of anyone locally to provide me with adapter brackets of any quality. This is what this owner found out. After having brackets made up they were unable to fit the brakes properly, thus they were eventually welded to the hubs. Doing this requires new bearings and seals as the heat will damage them. The car needs new ones anyway so they will be replaced.
As you can clearly see, the ill fitting adapter brackets were just welded to the hubs.
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hardcoreep
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Now to the engine.
The Ford Motorcraft coil-pack conversion to allow the Microtech to work.
After the engine was sorted out with the stock ECU, the owner decided to convert the Starlet to coil-pack. I'm not sure why, but its his car. He's wired in the Microtech to a loom adapter allowing him to switch back and forth between the stock ECU should he wish. As I said, there is very little support for this system locally and its been a while troubleshooting it.
The Microtech.
Adapter to factory loom.
So old I'm not sure they didn't originally use an abacus to tune it with. There is no USB so you'll need a USB-to-serial adapter to communicate with it.
The Ford Motorcraft coil-pack conversion to allow the Microtech to work.
After the engine was sorted out with the stock ECU, the owner decided to convert the Starlet to coil-pack. I'm not sure why, but its his car. He's wired in the Microtech to a loom adapter allowing him to switch back and forth between the stock ECU should he wish. As I said, there is very little support for this system locally and its been a while troubleshooting it.
The Microtech.
Adapter to factory loom.
So old I'm not sure they didn't originally use an abacus to tune it with. There is no USB so you'll need a USB-to-serial adapter to communicate with it.
eptercel82
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hello there guys!! its been a while..
HARDCOREEP how are you sir.. we've messaged each other on a few occasions on here and on wheelsjamaica aswell
real good thread i might add.. there are a few issues that have been addressed on here id like to add some things aswell.
im in los angeles california were im in a sea of 10-11-12 second street hondas.
ive learned alot in my racing experience since 1996 and with my ep82/tercel hybrid since 2000.
i always here people saying how much "boost" to run or you can only do this much boost and so on.. i asked ERIK from E.L prototypes a few yrs back on limits from the 5e turbo setup he had told me max boost would be 18psi anything after would be destructive. and i have proven to myself otherwise on that subject.
turbo effiency is a big part of the "equation" i too aswell have read and still constantly go back to corky's book and reread and pick up things i missed on the many previous times before.
its partly and tuning game for the variables. agreeing with hardcore i think detonation is the killer.. i had one engine last me 1 week cuz of detonation my current motor has been in there for 2.5yrs and still going and has not seen detonation..there are alot of japanese tuners that can tune a 5e-fte or even a b16a motor with 7-10 psi and achieve 300+hp..even on high compression.. JG engine dynamics was a big pioneer in the mid 90's and early 2000 era he was one of the few tuners in the sport compact era here in california that saw the birth of alot of the big import racing.. he had about 10+ hondas ranging from 10-12 second times in the 1320.
he was known for having and tuning some real high compression hondas.. some were 10:1 up to 12:1 and on only 18-19psi and achieving 500+hp..
and on the old accel dfi ecu which compared to todays engine managements its a dinosaur but he got it done.. and its not a matter of tuning in japan jamaica or in the uk and usa. its a matter of just tuning to max capacity on the dyno and taking the air/fuel factors and timing as well which has alot of effect of the performance
my next goal is to push the envelope like in jamaica which is where i can relate to since im on stock internals from top to bottom the only i have that is not stock is the custom intake manifold and 70mm throttle body 750cc injectors and exhaust manifold, and emanage blue. everything else is standard..i know hardcore had told me theyve pushed up too 32psi on stock internals..
real good info on this thread hardcore good luck to you and everyone its an on going journey...
!HARDCORE EP! also major salutes to PUFFY and his ep71 for those new records on a 5e-fte 10.1@137mph is superb....very good stuff and theres another tercel aswell in puerto rico with a 5e-fte and automatic transmission running 10.00@134mph so its getting real good out there...2010 should be a good year..:beer:
HARDCOREEP how are you sir.. we've messaged each other on a few occasions on here and on wheelsjamaica aswell
real good thread i might add.. there are a few issues that have been addressed on here id like to add some things aswell.
im in los angeles california were im in a sea of 10-11-12 second street hondas.
ive learned alot in my racing experience since 1996 and with my ep82/tercel hybrid since 2000.
i always here people saying how much "boost" to run or you can only do this much boost and so on.. i asked ERIK from E.L prototypes a few yrs back on limits from the 5e turbo setup he had told me max boost would be 18psi anything after would be destructive. and i have proven to myself otherwise on that subject.
turbo effiency is a big part of the "equation" i too aswell have read and still constantly go back to corky's book and reread and pick up things i missed on the many previous times before.
its partly and tuning game for the variables. agreeing with hardcore i think detonation is the killer.. i had one engine last me 1 week cuz of detonation my current motor has been in there for 2.5yrs and still going and has not seen detonation..there are alot of japanese tuners that can tune a 5e-fte or even a b16a motor with 7-10 psi and achieve 300+hp..even on high compression.. JG engine dynamics was a big pioneer in the mid 90's and early 2000 era he was one of the few tuners in the sport compact era here in california that saw the birth of alot of the big import racing.. he had about 10+ hondas ranging from 10-12 second times in the 1320.
he was known for having and tuning some real high compression hondas.. some were 10:1 up to 12:1 and on only 18-19psi and achieving 500+hp..
and on the old accel dfi ecu which compared to todays engine managements its a dinosaur but he got it done.. and its not a matter of tuning in japan jamaica or in the uk and usa. its a matter of just tuning to max capacity on the dyno and taking the air/fuel factors and timing as well which has alot of effect of the performance
my next goal is to push the envelope like in jamaica which is where i can relate to since im on stock internals from top to bottom the only i have that is not stock is the custom intake manifold and 70mm throttle body 750cc injectors and exhaust manifold, and emanage blue. everything else is standard..i know hardcore had told me theyve pushed up too 32psi on stock internals..
real good info on this thread hardcore good luck to you and everyone its an on going journey...
!HARDCORE EP! also major salutes to PUFFY and his ep71 for those new records on a 5e-fte 10.1@137mph is superb....very good stuff and theres another tercel aswell in puerto rico with a 5e-fte and automatic transmission running 10.00@134mph so its getting real good out there...2010 should be a good year..:beer:
hardcoreep
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Now that's a WOW!
Russleh
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this project is insane. just signed up to this site so will make a thread tomorrow. just had a quick scan and i find it amazing how nothings seems to be a problem for this project and when there is its fixed quickly. didnt know the 5e engine could handle this much on stock internals. only read like 4 pages but it was alot of reading and will continue tomorrow 
Russell
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starletgt.neal
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ive just read all the way through this thread now ive been out of the starlet scene for a ile due to touring with the infantry but it really is amazing what the jamaicans and hardcore ep are doing here us brits have been using word of mouth for so long that everyone is scared to experiment because a RELIABLE source told them it cant be done haha..and you wonder why we dont get the bhp figures we want or hope for?? i hope this thread hits everyone here in the uk and people stop talking about making the figures and actually experiment and do it!!
once more i cant stress how amazing this thread is cant wait to see it finished and prove that this can be done to al the doubters out there...now lets get building here in the uk and catch up with these guys over in jamaica lol!:rockon:
once more i cant stress how amazing this thread is cant wait to see it finished and prove that this can be done to al the doubters out there...now lets get building here in the uk and catch up with these guys over in jamaica lol!:rockon:
I cam in from working on my ep70 and saw this thread and just couldnt stop reading an hour half later..
Hardcoreep, fair play in all the info you posted up.
I have been woundering about 5efte engines for a while and now i understand that bit extra that i might actually opt for this setup for my build.
I have a few questions just want ya to clear so you have a pm mate..
In fairness this is tuning to the highest degree, using what ya have and making the most of it..
Legend!
Hardcoreep, fair play in all the info you posted up.
I have been woundering about 5efte engines for a while and now i understand that bit extra that i might actually opt for this setup for my build.
I have a few questions just want ya to clear so you have a pm mate..
In fairness this is tuning to the highest degree, using what ya have and making the most of it..
Legend!
ramses974
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hey ep82 is E.L protoypes alive?????? they were the first to propose me to tune the 4efte ECu but as i was very far of them i didnt do that..i have bought some parts with us too for my Toyota Yairs/echo -->header and cold air intake ...
about high compression i have xperimented this a lot..BYP has done my manifold and i have bought parts from them with Gtrevva before he got his accident and go working out of BYP....
but i want to know something:
BYP has done a lot of crazy High compression toyota TErcel/PASEO and i was agree with their philosophy but now after years do their realisation still on the road???
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hardcoreep
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If they are in relation to the project, please ask them here.
And before anyone else says anything, the coil-packs were just placed there for picture. We are still working out some of the wiring issues with the Microtech as we've been unable to start the car using it.
The first problem was getting windows 7 to stop seeing the Microtech as a serial mouse, which then allowed us to finally log in. I know there's nothing wrong with the engine so the starting problems have to be related to the engine management system. As i said, there is next to ZERO support for this thing locally, so if anyone has any ideas or experience using a Microtech with a EP82 please chime in.
Honestly, if we had an E-Manage we would have been on the dyno already, but again, not my car.
billybob
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double up on toyota gasket mybe 2.4mm
eptercel82
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ramses974: hey buddy from what i know of e.l. went down in history i've passed by his house and he has some alltracs there and his own personal ep82 there but other than that nothing.. yea i know he was doing ROM tunes for a while but it was a new mother board and it was programmed to your specs it wasnt cheap either though it was like 900 dollars for it so it has its up and downs i guess to that . erik is a genious on that my respects to him but also there are not that many hardcore toyota fans out here in california.. you know.. also ive seen alot of work from BYP and my respects to them aswell but ive not really seen any updates or seen alot of cars outthere from them as of late so not to sure and that aspect.. they do good fab aswell.. all my fabbing is done inhouse my brother has his own fab shop so its cool we put ideas together and colaberate and throw them on m car.. ill try to get pictures of the inlet and exhaust manifolds he's done for me.. (also not trying to hijack this thread in any way hardcoreep)
hardcore ep:yea 10.0's on a automatic tranny which is beyond good as well..
on that double headgasket theory i tried double headgasket and it didnt work out for me so i went with a single head gasket on mine and its doing real good aswell.
also whats the issues on that microtech youre having hardcore ive messed with them before and i love the whole tuning side of it wethere it being microtech or emanage even motec.. so let me know if i can help out it'd be my pleasure aswell..
also i have an emanage here maybe he'd like to work something out..
also were do you get your cams out there from i know puffy is on some cams and that ep71 sounds real good just curious aswell im going into the market of purchasing cams and valvetrain with that extra 4e head i have lying around..
so keep us posted sir and let me know on any issues i can help out with on that ecu..
hardcore ep:yea 10.0's on a automatic tranny which is beyond good as well..
on that double headgasket theory i tried double headgasket and it didnt work out for me so i went with a single head gasket on mine and its doing real good aswell.
also whats the issues on that microtech youre having hardcore ive messed with them before and i love the whole tuning side of it wethere it being microtech or emanage even motec.. so let me know if i can help out it'd be my pleasure aswell..
also i have an emanage here maybe he'd like to work something out..
also were do you get your cams out there from i know puffy is on some cams and that ep71 sounds real good just curious aswell im going into the market of purchasing cams and valvetrain with that extra 4e head i have lying around..
so keep us posted sir and let me know on any issues i can help out with on that ecu..
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AzE_B
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_GAZ_EP85_
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i like what you chaps are doing over there, but i think you should take abit more time in making it abit more presentable, the pic of the engine bay with all the wires every looks like a fire waiting to happen
two standard HG should be a good crack tho
two standard HG should be a good crack tho
