5e glanza ct9 turbo
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kieran.s gt
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should be fine at a bar not sure but always taught they could only run standard injectors
for a bar on ct9 standard injectors will be okay anyway
for a bar on ct9 standard injectors will be okay anyway
Ted
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they dont like bigger injectors or higher fuel pressure as you would be running crazy rich low down, should be fine but take it to a rolling road to get an afr figure once its adjusted(couple of days). i know some people say they are useless cos you dont know what they are mapped for , however 90% of them seem to be mapped for ct9 at a bar or thereabouts so should be ok.
how much extra fuel the 5e needs is the tricky one. definitely check afr
how much extra fuel the 5e needs is the tricky one. definitely check afr
finx
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this is similar to what i am running in my car and have been for over a year now. high comp 5efhe with a ct9= 5efhte
im running the stock ep71 engine 2et control unit on a modified 2et loom to run the engine. and 2e-t injectors which are 270cc
i have personally built and tuned the car myself and have had no issues with fueling, running up to 14psi or just under 1bar using all stock fueling.
ep71 fuel pump, 4efte fuel reg and rail with 2et injectors.
all that stuff you have mentioned is not necessary. you will get away with running stock injectors
as for the ecu i would be very careful as to what you do there
is it a high compressing 5e? as in fhe?
if so then i would be weary running the blitz ecu on it as it will have a more aggressive timing map and aggressive timing is what kills the high comp turbo engines in no time.
i reduced the amount of base timing on mine to make it safe. and it has proven to be so after more than a years thrashing over 10 drag meets and a few track days as well. you will need to knock it back about 2-4degrees. more for the higher boost level you want to acheive.
a good boost controller is recommended also as if you get spike or creep you engine wont last long.
im running the stock ep71 engine 2et control unit on a modified 2et loom to run the engine. and 2e-t injectors which are 270cc
i have personally built and tuned the car myself and have had no issues with fueling, running up to 14psi or just under 1bar using all stock fueling.
ep71 fuel pump, 4efte fuel reg and rail with 2et injectors.
all that stuff you have mentioned is not necessary. you will get away with running stock injectors
as for the ecu i would be very careful as to what you do there
is it a high compressing 5e? as in fhe?
if so then i would be weary running the blitz ecu on it as it will have a more aggressive timing map and aggressive timing is what kills the high comp turbo engines in no time.
i reduced the amount of base timing on mine to make it safe. and it has proven to be so after more than a years thrashing over 10 drag meets and a few track days as well. you will need to knock it back about 2-4degrees. more for the higher boost level you want to acheive.
a good boost controller is recommended also as if you get spike or creep you engine wont last long.
billybob
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ive gt pistons in it so it should be ok
i think the blitzs ecu might help if running a bar of boost on the ct9 also i have a hks actuator to set the boostgorganl2000
Lifer
well...i dont know about the blitz or any other preprogrammed ecu...as all may well be different
anyways...i did try to run the oem build 5efte ct9 set up (when i had it in the car---a little while back) on my JAM ecu ---this is the engine write up i posted
when i got the a/f ratios checked, it was running slightly lean in some areas...my plan was to put in some 315cc or 330cc injectors to try to "sort" that problem out
the 5efte with 4e pistons will tend to give u a CR around 9.0 - 9.1
we were also concerned about the aggression of the JAM's timing and it causing potential detonation.....so as the guy above told u, it may be best to drop the base timing a few degrees...maybe try 0-5 degrees and see how it goes, u can always go up slowly while keeping an eye on detonation
it best to go get your a/f ratios checked just to be sure
anyways...i did try to run the oem build 5efte ct9 set up (when i had it in the car---a little while back) on my JAM ecu ---this is the engine write up i posted
when i got the a/f ratios checked, it was running slightly lean in some areas...my plan was to put in some 315cc or 330cc injectors to try to "sort" that problem out
the 5efte with 4e pistons will tend to give u a CR around 9.0 - 9.1
we were also concerned about the aggression of the JAM's timing and it causing potential detonation.....so as the guy above told u, it may be best to drop the base timing a few degrees...maybe try 0-5 degrees and see how it goes, u can always go up slowly while keeping an eye on detonation
it best to go get your a/f ratios checked just to be sure
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hmm ive seen on the site a blitz ecu running tdo4s on a 1.3 hmmmm
tht ll be the best way to do pal
Impreza_dan
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Imo, sell the blitz and buy something you can map to your spec. Ya just dont know what its mapped for and you are taking a risk running one without checking the afrs. I ran a blitz with 330s on td04 at 1.0 bar. Had the afrs checked on rolling road and all was fine. So u might be alright. Riskt business tho
fastglanza
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just make sure the timing and afr's is good. uk shud be able to have decent octane gas...
never liked the idea of ct9+5e tho
never liked the idea of ct9+5e tho
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billybob
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finx
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hmm ive seen on the site a blitz ecu running tdo4s on a 1.3 hmmmm
this is exactly the thing that brings us back to the argument of how other parts of the world are able to acheive really good results without engine failures which seem to be common over there with similar set ups.
just because a blitz ecu seemed to run on ok on a 4e with a tdo4l and more boost or what ever doesnt mean that it will be ok on a 5e with a smaller turbo.
5e is higher compression even with shaved pistons they are still 9.0-9.1 static compression. which means they are more prone to detonation as the internal pressures are higher and the combustion temps will also be higher to match. with a pre mapped ecu such as blitz or jam etc they would have been tuned to that specific set up that the car had at the time of installation. so putting it in another car with a different engine and turbo may seem to gain better power results because it has allot more advanced timing map than the stock ecu but who knows what the ignition timing map is actually doing, how high is it going at WOT etc. this is crucial on a higher compression turbo engine compared to a lower compression turbo engine which can handle more pre combustion without to much problem.
checking the afr is a good start but it wont mean that your engine is guarantee to last the distance. it will tell you if the engine is leaning out which is one major cause of piston and ring failure but not the only cause. detonation due to high internal combustion pressures temps and to much timing and the other main ones. and on a 5e you have 2 of those three to begin with before you go and out a tricked out ecu on it that you have no idea about what its telling your engine to do.
retarding the base timing 2-5degrees will help some, but wont stop anything from happening if the timing map on the blitz ecu is way too high or off in the wrong place.
my engine has lasted the distance because i checked and adjusted the afr, and backed off the timing on the stock ecu (worse timing map than 4efte ecu) and have only run low boost (8psi) except for when i had boost control issues when it was at 14 but i wasnt comfortable running that much boost without an aftermarket ecu. which i now have and will be installing in the next few weeks.
good luck with the build, good results can be had from such a simple set up but just take it easy and be careful. done leave anything to chance as it will come back to bite you in the ass
cheers
ryan