Drugs, what the government doesnt want you to know

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ahhh drugs

hmm bit of a tough call here as to give an opinion fom a very biased person is not gonna help much, but ill try. Ok so, in my opinion everybody on the face of this planet one time or another in their life will be curious & try a drug or another.. be it smoke, coke, lsd, heroin, speed, ecstasy, alcohol, morphine, codeine.. well the list is endless. But look at all the worlds iv just written down.. most ppl will point towards all the bad drugs & find excuses to calling ppl wasters, stoners, junkies, why? well simple because its easier to judge & look down at someone than try to understand the experience or block out all the media jargon surrounding drugs & see that there are far worse things to "classed" drugs.. there is for example (you may laugh but its true) coffee, which in one particular country is banned, & treated like a class "a" drug, why? well simple because its very addictive.. then you have the other group of social wankers.. the pretentious pious religious who take every opportunity to remind you that drugs are evil & shine down this lovely untrue dark mask about drugs.. so instead of teaching ur instilling fear.. wow congrats thats really medieval... helllllllllooooooooo cant anybody fucking see that were in the 21st fucking century?!?!

The media will take any situation & twist & turn it into whatever they see will sell.. they see a bunch of children falling out of school wasting time etc, they will start to blame it on drugs.. well im not saying it may not be the case but there is one fact, to learn you have to experiance, not if ur not strong enough to know how to control urself then yeah it could be very simply that one thing could lead to anther.. & from smoking a spliff u may end up a rock bottom feeder a few years after.. BUT this all depends on you.. I remember back in the day when i was in school our teachers used to tell us beware of "the pusher" coz he will come & give u drugs for free & get u addicted.. lol god i wish that was the case lol.. to date iv never seen/heard of anybody giving out free drugs...

Its a massive scare campaign imo, so however you look at it, the governments of god knows where will always try to condemn drugs because there is ultimately no profit in it for them.. & end of the day thats all the government is interested in.. taxes, not us!!

I guess end of the day its all up to us the individual to choose the path, but in no way is it like they want us to believe, its all up to the individual choices we make, i do believe that there is no harm in trying something, you cant say something is bad or good if you havent tried it 1st.. most important thing in any situation though is self-control

just my 2p
kon

 

[1bar]

We have P addicts here going around chopping peoples limps off. Drugs affect people differently. Some people are more happy with it and some are the opposite and those are the ones i guess the government trying to protect us from. The ones who get on a bad trip and does something very stupid.

Like what been said up above how many have smoked weed then moved onto either oil,magic mushes then on to E and other drugs. I can say 90 per cent of people who do one drug has tried another and that where the trap is for some people. Not only that what happens when someone cant afford to support there habit? Why do we pay for insurance and house and contents? Coos most of time the person robbing you usually needs the money to feed there drug habit. Look at even the rich who have had drug problems and see where they are now. 6 feet under. Btw smoking drugs over a period of time changes your personality where you can become more confident and more open to your peers but when you stop you become completely different. Its hard to say but when your stone you dont seem to give a shit compared to your regular self. That from personal experience.

 

[gv1.3]

But Mr 1bar, you say that there are addicts where you are already, so that to me says drugs are easy to get if you want them. But the VAST majority of people dont go and get them. So if they were legalized tomorrow why would people suddenly go and start using them?

I agree that maybe a percentage of people that try one drug will try another, Im not sure there are any statistics to say it is 90% but a percentage yes. But again I dont see why that is an issue. That doesnt mean that percentage turn in to mindless drug taking losers. It merely means they tried something else in the same way that someone who drinks a beer might one night decide to try spirits. They might never try them again or may occasionally indulge but that doesnt mean they are an alcoholic.

Im starting to think I look at this a bit different than most other people lol

 

[1bar]

But Mr 1bar, you say that there are addicts where you are already, so that to me says drugs are easy to get if you want them. But the VAST majority of people dont go and get them. So if they were legalized tomorrow why would people suddenly go and start using them?

I agree that maybe a percentage of people that try one drug will try another, Im not sure there are any statistics to say it is 90% but a percentage yes. But again I dont see why that is an issue. That doesnt mean that percentage turn in to mindless drug taking losers. It merely means they tried something else in the same way that someone who drinks a beer might one night decide to try spirits. They might never try them again or may occasionally indulge but that doesnt mean they are an alcoholic.

Im starting to think I look at this a bit different than most other people lol

Well we have a methamphetamine problem here in New Zealand and most that were interviewed did start on lesser drugs eg weed. You will find its a pretty high percentage when you doing one your more likely to experiment with others. Its sometimes to do with the circle you are in. And people tend to start with lesser drugs before moving up to the hardcore stuff. Dont know anyone that gone straight into meth without trying something lesser.

 

[kirky1]

We have P addicts here going around chopping peoples limps off. Drugs affect people differently. Some people are more happy with it and some are the opposite and those are the ones i guess the government trying to protect us from. The ones who get on a bad trip and does something very stupid.

Like what been said up above how many have smoked weed then moved onto either oil,magic mushes then on to E and other drugs. I can say 90 per cent of people who do one drug has tried another and that where the trap is for some people. Not only that what happens when someone cant afford to support there habit? I could go on but ill leave it there.

the same thing could be said about alcohol mate, a few weeks back my mate had a knife wielding alcoholic lunatic after him. people have been taking drugs since the dawn of man kind some people even think that they could have been responsible for turning us into conscious beings, they dont call them mind altering drugs for no reason they definately changed the state of my mind into something far greater than i could have ever imagined but on the other hand they can make a weak minded individual go insane. i cant see any thing wrong with recreational drugs but the likes of heroin crack crystal meth etc should defo be illegal. what is this 'p' stuff your on about?

 

[1bar]

the same thing could be said about alcohol mate, a few weeks back my mate had a knife wielding alcoholic lunatic after him. people have been taking drugs since the dawn of man kind some people even think that they could have been responsible for turning us into conscious beings, they dont call them mind altering drugs for no reason they definately changed the state of my mind into something far greater than i could have ever imagined but on the other hand they can make a weak minded individual go insane. i cant see any thing wrong with recreational drugs but the likes of heroin crack crystal meth etc should defo be illegal. what is this 'p' stuff your on about?

Here just another name for methamphetamine

http://www.fade.org.nz/alcohol-and-drug-info/methamphetamine/

recreational drugs can just be as deadly for some people.

 

[gv1.3]

oh yeah mate I understand that most people who end up addicted to hard drugs usually started off with something like weed but that is very different than most people that do weed end up trying hard drugs. I suppose I would look at it like alcohol again. Every alcoholic starts by trying a few beers or a few shorts at some point. But not everyone that tries a beer becomes an alcoholic.

I mean there are a large amount of people addicted to prescription drugs like xanax etc but in relation to the actual amount of people who have taken the drug the amount who have become addicted to it is tiny.

 

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Any behaviour altering substance can be abused, whether it be alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, amphetamine or whatever else you can think of. It's not the substance that causes the problem, its people that suffer with addictive behaviour that is the problem. People will always try and blame something else, but drug related issues regardless of substance are solely down to the behaviour characteristics of the individual.

Whether you ban or legalise any one substance the problem will still be there as it is not caused by the substance, some people will always suffer with addictive behaviour and so will always depend or abuse as a means of escape.

Drugs are not bad as long as the individual can control their use, this is where the problem lies. Users do not start to use drugs because they are addictive, they start using because it is in their behaviour to act in such a way. If you take the substance away from the user, it is likely the user will move on to something else. Blaming drugs as the cause of the problem is very narrow minded and a very big mistake to make.

 

[GTti]

I don't feel the government are hiding anything.

Substances
Drug abuse can trigger a psychotic episode. A psychotic episode can also be triggered if you suddenly stop taking a drug after using it for a long time. This is known as drug withdrawal. Drugs that are known to trigger psychotic episodes include:

•alcohol,
•cocaine,
•amphetamine (speed),
•methamphetamine (crystal meth),
•MDMA (ecstasy),
•cannabis,
•LSD (acid),
•psilocybins (magic mushrooms), and
•ketamine.
Psychosis may also rarely occur as a side-effect of some types of medication, or as a result of an overdose of that medication. These medications include:

•tranquillisers, such as barbiturates or benzodiazepines,
•anti-epileptic medication,
•antidepressants,
•anticholinergics medications (medicines that are often used to help open up the airways), and
•L-dopa (a medication used to treat Parkinson's disease).

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Psychosis/Pages/Causes.aspx


Alcohol is top of the list for mental health effects. Not to mention a massive increase in liver disease. There is no question that alcohol is one of the biggest killers.
But alcohol is very historic, people would drink alcohol in the Tudor times, the distilling process and low strength meant that it was safter to drink than water at the time.

I'm happy to pay tax on alcohol. But you're right in stating that somehow we have this legal drug, yet others are illegal.

But from my experience I don't recommend anyone to look at any other drug lightly, people can post in this thread suggesting cannabis doesn't have side effects, but you're wrong (Yes alcohol can have these same effects, but I've not seen it happen first hand). My brother never really drank alcohol, from the age of 15 he smoked cannabis, his personality changed over a period of ten years, the symptoms were paranoia, delusional / psychoctic beliefs / episodes.

He was diagnosed with psychosis / schizophrenia and I have now doubt this was enduced by cannabis use. To cut a long story short he took his own life 6 months ago now.

I drink alcohol in moderation, but I would never think about trying another drug now unless it were for genuine medication purposes. We don't need them.

 

[r00k3st3r]

Alcohol may well be a great revenue for the government, but it's also a great drain. the reason they don't make it illegal, despite it's devastating effects on a larger minority percentage than many illegal drugs devastate, is beacuse this lifestyle we have requires escapism or we'd all go mad, alcohol is escapism for the masses. Make alcohol illegal, get anarchy.

A well made point, exemplified by the prohibition in America. Drug-related crime increased because of it. America wasn't ready for it.

I can only speak for myself here but if every drug known to man was made legal in the morning I wouldnt have any interest in going and buying them, I dont like speaking for other people but I cant see any of my friends rushing out to do them either.

Yes however, there would be many people on the borderline of trying illegal drugs. That fact they're currently illegal would be a deterrent for some.

Does an average 17yr old want alcohol at parties? Mostly yes. Alot of them have it available to them through various methods, and obtain it. But for the ones that don't, legalizing would be enabling them to obtain it easily.

I guess end of the day its all up to us the individual to choose the path, but in no way is it like they want us to believe, its all up to the individual choices we make, i do believe that there is no harm in trying something, you cant say something is bad or good if you havent tried it 1st.. most important thing in any situation though is self-control
kon

I agree with this to some extent. Though no harm in trying something, are dangerous words. That is almost analogous with not considering the consequences of your actions.

Well we have a methamphetamine problem here in New Zealand and most that were interviewed did start on lesser drugs eg weed. You will find its a pretty high percentage when you doing one your more likely to experiment with others. Its sometimes to do with the circle you are in. And people tend to start with lesser drugs before moving up to the hardcore stuff. Dont know anyone that gone straight into meth without trying something lesser.

Could not agree more. I believe weed is a gateway drug also. Another interesting point is that weed is commonly mixed with tobacco when smoked. While marijuana contains no addictive substances, mixing it with tobacco introduces them.

I'm now 20 and graduated with a set of friends from high school who were already involved with drugs. All of them began with weed and moved on to harder drugs. Being amongst this group i saw other people dragged in.

With regards to governments, they will not legalize drugs which cannot be controlled or taxed. I'm sure governments would love the countless dollars taxing drugs would generate (they already do), but many illicit drugs are still not socially accepted in many countries. Moral ethics of today's society prevent this.

People don't need drugs. We don't have a biological need for it. Its sounds hypocritical considering i drink alcohol, but many people are conditioned to think this way, myself included. Social acceptance is a massive factor with alcohol in Australia.

I think humans would be better off without any drugs. It generates crime no doubt, and you can't legalize it all, nor ban it all. The world is simply not ready for either extreme, and may never be.

 

[davehart]

interesting point of view Dave, but what makes you think that is the case? Would you and everyone you know be rushing out to take all those drugs if they were legal? And all of those substances are easy to get now yet most people dont use them.

I can only speak for myself here but if every drug known to man was made legal in the morning I wouldnt have any interest in going and buying them, I dont like speaking for other people but I cant see any of my friends rushing out to do them either.

Alcohol is legal and I am not an alcoholic.

Appreciate all the comments so far, this thread was opened to get everyones opinion and this is not a topic you can be right or wrong on just give your opinion

I think it would make them more accessable to the casual user who may undertake them out and about when their freinds but put them on a shop counter and they will undertake them more than usual.

I dont think people would be marching down to the shops to get them but the young kids who seem to be brought up on them will be popping them like lollipops. It's a sad fact that there have been a lot of drug related deaths for young people between 15-25 that may not have made the press and legalising them will just cause more.

The argument for the casual drug user is Alcohol is a drug but they dont ban that. The fact is too much of anything is bad for you but if people go crazy on legal Alcohol just think what they would do if drugs were legal?

 

[Corey_gt]

in my opinion weed is a harmless drug. it helps people to relax without going mad and jumping around like you would from drink
but heroine, cocaine, d10s(PILLS) and all those drugs that wreck your head and turn you mad are bad and should be kept illegal

D10's are just valium they are legal dude you can get them across the counter along with D7.5's , D5's etc.

 

[Starlet_Sam]

So if they were legalized tomorrow why would people suddenly go and start using them?

I believe you would get a lot more people going to use them, yes. There is a psychological effect at work that says if it is legal or not challenged by an authority then it must be safe, a sort of unconcious acceptance. Everything you buy in a shop you assume to be safe, but in reality there are many things that could do you harm. With drugs being illegal there is a sort of "seediness" attached with them that most people don't want to be associated with.

This seediness is shown by the comments about smackheads teaching kids etc. Most teachers drink and some will smoke, but this is legal so taken as OK. For all you know the some teachers will smoke weed and take coke. In my view it isn't the use that is bad, it's abuse. Those 2 terms are VERY different. I drink, but not to the point where it effects my life.

 

[munday]

Well we have a methamphetamine problem here in New Zealand and most that were interviewed did start on lesser drugs eg weed. You will find its a pretty high percentage when you doing one your more likely to experiment with others. Its sometimes to do with the circle you are in. And people tend to start with lesser drugs before moving up to the hardcore stuff. Dont know anyone that gone straight into meth without trying something lesser.

Who is to say that smoking weed or the softer drugs actually led them to meth though? Its cant be proven, therefore i dont see the argument for the 'Gateway effect'

 

[Stulet-GTT]

You have some good point's there sam, it is socially accepteble to have a drink or to smoke as everyone does and at anytime of the day, but it can be a different case when it come's to drug's...

I am a reguler drug user and have been for year's, if they were to become legal it wouldn't change the way or amount i take...

 

[munday]

You have some good point's there sam, it is socially accepteble to have a drink or to smoke as everyone does and at anytime of the day, but it can be a different case when it come's to drug's...

I am a reguler drug user and have been for year's, if they were to become legal it wouldn't change the way or amount i take...

Hmm, depends if the price came down

3.5g for £10? Yeah ok :homer:

 

[gv1.3]

I don't feel the government are hiding anything.

I am sure there are a lot of facts on the NHS website Luke but how many average people go on there to look? The fact is they hired a professional to research a subject and when he came back with results they didnt like they sacked him. That is silencing someone in my opinion.


Very interesting comments from all sides here, thanks for sharing your views everyone.

 

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Im starting to think I look at this a bit different than most other people lol

not everybody dy lol :haha:

 

[gv1.3]

not everybody dy lol :haha:

haha, I suppose I meant my views are very simplistic. Others might anticipate more possible impacts these things can have. I suppose I realised that when I started thinking about this subject and thats why I opened the thread for others peoples views.

I particularly take on board Sams comments about social acceptability. I mean the state many people get themselves in to by drinking at the weekend and no one bats an eyelid. Imagine if people were getting so high they couldnt walk... I dont think it would be laughed about or acceptable. Ultimately its all drug taking but some drugs are more acceptable than others.

I even look at people who pop pain killers for every little thing and think "holy shit". I wont take a pain killer unless I am half dead. I can say in the last year I probably havent taken any pain killers at all because I havent had anything painful enough wrong with me to require pain medication.

 

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lol.... it all depends on the situation i guess lol.. emma keeps calling me a hypochondriac :haha: she thinks i take meds for the slightest reason.. but then again, taking meds does make life easier.. go back 50 years ud prob be given something considered illegal today for simple err i dunno... backpain :haha:

its like saying "the sword is only as powerful as the person who weilds it" imo the same is to anything, inc drugs.. besides its a known fact that your personality affects the drug of choice.. although i would gladly challenge the guy who wrote that any day.. id go on to say its all about the mood

iv just realized what iv said above is pretty incoherent so pls excuse me im pretty fucked this time of day :haha:

kon