Innovate LC-1 Wideband

Sheldon

Sheldon

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some quick questions please

1. do the Innovate LC-1 Wideband match the quality of the AEM ?

2. will it need to be calibrated or just plug and play ?

3. you need something special to datas log ? like another part..?

this is what im looking at.. looks like a good price

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AEM is not much higher in price..

thanks,

sheldon
 
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starlet666

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innovate is one of the best in the industry.... used em and wouldnt use anything but... u need to calabirate every so often but hey whats 5 mins every few weeks or months depending on how often u use it
 
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Harvey

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I think they are pretty much on par with each other so comes down to personal preference.

Yeah you gotta calibrate it before you install it, and every now and then like starlet666 said, but no big deals. Its presumably the same with all of them.

You get somewhere incuded with it to hook up to laptop. It doesnt log against RPM out of the box though. You need the rpm sensor adapter tfor that.

Or there is a LC1+ kit now which is the wideband (minus guage) with the rpm sensor. In USA its $299 not sure what it will be over here.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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starlet666 said:
innovate is one of the best in the industry.... used em and wouldnt use anything but... u need to calabirate every so often but hey whats 5 mins every few weeks or months depending on how often u use it
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how do you calibrate it? and do you need to calibrate only the innovate? or even the AEM?

sheldon
 
Jay

Jay

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Yeah, love the innovate but I haven't used any other to compare it to.

I use the LM1 between a few different cars. It'll self-calibrate every once in a while or if your readings seem off you can calibrate it to be 100%.

Uses the bosch lambda probe so replacements are handy. ;)
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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Starlet_Sam said:
Look at pages 9 and 10 of the intruction manual.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/support/manual/LC-1_Manual.pdf
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cheers... looks easy to calibrate and not so often...

Turbo car, daily driver (tuned rich):
- Calibrate before installation of new sensor
- Calibrate new sensor again after 3 month of use
- Thereafter calibrate twice a year or every 10,000 miles, whichever comes first

Jay said:
Yeah, love the innovate but I haven't used any other to compare it to.

I use the LM1 between a few different cars. It'll self-calibrate every once in a while or if your readings seem off you can calibrate it to be 100%.

Uses the bosch lambda probe so replacements are handy. ;)
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cheers for your inputs all :)

so LM1 will be!


anymore feedback is welcome... bad and good!

thanks very much

any links to purchase this from the UK? from the USA its GBP148

rep given ;)

sheldon
 
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starlet666

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i gotta ask though??? how many of u guys have these in ur cars full time???? and dont actually tune cars???? cause we go through a sensor every 3 months when tuning cars and on alot of cars i tune i have to use 2 sensors (twin system v8s)

i have 3 of these sets and dont use one in my car at all.... i have other guages that give me any indication that there is something wrong and they are a hell of alot cheaper....
 
Jay

Jay

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I only use mine for setting up cars and health checking duties.

Seemed to have a run of sensors dying on me recently despite the first one lasting two years. All sorted now though - I source my sensors with a two year/unlimited mileage warranty so that saves money in the long run.
 
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starlet666

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i use genuine bosch ones but they die pretty quick once put through the hell i do..... constantly doing 7000rpm dyno pulls on customer cars does that lol.....
 
Jay

Jay

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starlet666 said:
i use genuine bosch ones but they die pretty quick once put through the hell i do..... constantly doing 7000rpm dyno pulls on customer cars does that lol.....
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LOL I lost one as it kissed road surface then headbutted rear window :haha:

I wouldn't use anything other than the Bosch, cheapest by far.
 
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starlet666

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yeh i used some other brand about a year ago and it lasted a matter of weeks..... the one thing i get the shits with id forking out 600 bucks every 3 months for 2 new sensors haha stupid things... i wish there was an easier way..... i can stretch em out to about 5 months max.... depending on work load but the bosch are cheap (not cheapest) and they are the ones that come as delivered in the kits 90% of the time.... so i stick with what actually works well
 
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starlet666

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nah mate.... the sensors at work have to b very accurate as it is for a dyno...... part of the need for regular changes.... they ruin themselves easy but i dunno why u would want it in ur car all the time unless u are always tuning ur car????? my car has 250ish atw and im always tuning and i would rather stick a bung up its butt then have one in all the time...... bit of a waste if u ask me..... the sensors arent cheap and the more u use em the more u have to change them.....
 
Jay

Jay

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The sensors don't like heat, fuel or vibration. Great combo for putting in your exhaust system lol.

A static setup helps you keep a regular eye on your air/fuel and adds some piece of mind that everything is working fine. It also allows you to finetune your economy driving style if you have one. :haha:

The lifespan of the sensors shouldn't be too much of an issue so long as you aren't roasting, drowning or hammering the probe too much - for instance the VAG 1.8 turbos have the probe as standard. It's rare for them to require replacement.

Mine have all died due to impact damage. Tuners tend to go through them quickly due to the territory.
 
ChrisGT

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How far down the exhaust system should they go? Putting it in the down pipe would affect accuracy and shorten lifetime of the probe? I mean, when you take your car to a dyno they put it in the back box, so theoretically you could put it anywhere in the exhaust system? Further back = less heat = longer sensor life?
 
Jay

Jay

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ChrisGT said:
How far down the exhaust system should they go? Putting it in the down pipe would affect accuracy and shorten lifetime of the probe? I mean, when you take your car to a dyno they put it in the back box, so theoretically you could put it anywhere in the exhaust system? Further back = less heat = longer sensor life?
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The tailpipe reading is grand on WOT but I've seen a few random readings in some cases due to tailpipe design (usually those Japspeed blitz copies - cue Gryzor to back me up).

Ideally you should place it just behind the gearbox, that offers an accurate reading of exhaust gases and keeps it far enough away from the turbo to avoid heat damage.

Just as a sidenote : the stock narrowband probe does not suffer the heat issues as badly so it can sit right at the turbo.
 
thefalls

thefalls

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Jay said:
The sensors don't like heat, fuel or vibration. Great combo for putting in your exhaust system lol.

A static setup helps you keep a regular eye on your air/fuel and adds some piece of mind that everything is working fine. It also allows you to finetune your economy driving style if you have one. :haha:

The lifespan of the sensors shouldn't be too much of an issue so long as you aren't roasting, drowning or hammering the probe too much - for instance the VAG 1.8 turbos have the probe as standard. It's rare for them to require replacement.

Mine have all died due to impact damage. Tuners tend to go through them quickly due to the territory.
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Would you care to elaborate on the static set you mentioned?
I was thinking of having this
http://www.statracing.com/buy/aem/aem-wideband-uego-gauge.asp
Any issues in having this permanently?
Thanks.
 
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