thats totally different mike, is there any foreign substance in your pint that could kill you?! don't think so, that was my point
Its legal so IO guess talking about it isn't against the rules...
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thats totally different mike, is there any foreign substance in your pint that could kill you?! don't think so, that was my point
Tanz
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Annoyed aint the word i would use to describe this known fact...
From speaking and hearing ladies like these over the last few weeks i have come to a conclusion that they are very narrow minded and tend to just ship blame onto something else...Its like they live in la la land half the time if not all and they expect society to rare their children rather then; them the parents growing and adjusting to life as we know it now and educating themselves and their kids for what life throws at them...
gv1.3
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Just a quick comment on drug legality. I think it is insane that anyone should ever look at anything and think it is safe or safer because it is legal. Plenty of things the are dangerous are totally legal. I could stick my hand in a fire and get badly burned but I have not broken any laws.
Huffing gas/aerosols etc can be bought in any shop but can very quickly kill you. I am not rushing out to buy a can of gas to huff on just because it is not illegal.
If you really really really feel the need to do drugs be armed with facts:
Drug Harm Index as researched and funded by the UK government (source)
Huffing gas/aerosols etc can be bought in any shop but can very quickly kill you. I am not rushing out to buy a can of gas to huff on just because it is not illegal.
If you really really really feel the need to do drugs be armed with facts:
Drug Harm Index as researched and funded by the UK government (source)
- heroin
- cocaine
- barbs
- methadone
- alcohol
- ketamine
- benzos
- amphetamine
- tobacco
- bupranorphine
- cannabis
- solvents
- 4-mta
- lsd
- methylphenidate
- anabolic steroids
- ghb
- ecstasy
- alkylnitrates
- khat
HutchGlanzaV
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Interesting that ecstasy is less harmful than weed...
On the legality side of things, the fact that mephedrone is legal is the only reason I have tried it. I do not however equate legal to safe, I know there are risks especially with something as new and unknown as this. But a quick search on google will provide lots of info on various forums from people that have tried it and posted "trip reports" which include effects, dosages and after effects. With a little bit of research you can cut down the risks considerably, this is where education, rather than prohibition comes into play. Also I'm lead to believe that mephedrone is chemically similar to khat which appears at number 20 on the harm list, be sensible kids and you should be ok!
On the legality side of things, the fact that mephedrone is legal is the only reason I have tried it. I do not however equate legal to safe, I know there are risks especially with something as new and unknown as this. But a quick search on google will provide lots of info on various forums from people that have tried it and posted "trip reports" which include effects, dosages and after effects. With a little bit of research you can cut down the risks considerably, this is where education, rather than prohibition comes into play. Also I'm lead to believe that mephedrone is chemically similar to khat which appears at number 20 on the harm list, be sensible kids and you should be ok!
Well said Mike, Some people are quick to jump on the PC wagon and in get their silly digs in, for instance...no one cares if you don't drink or take drugs. Live and let live and don't comment or pass judgement that is the way.
Am i right in saying these drugs any drugs are highly addictive. I believe they are bad for you, the more you take the more you need to get high. I think drugs cause allot of other crime someone who has built up a tolerance and needs there fix will often go out commit burglary's etc. But the fact alot of these drugs are grown and made by low lifes puts me right off as you dont know what the hell you are taking. People definitely need to think about long term affects.
drew-turbo
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personaly id rather poo myself
HutchGlanzaV
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The new ones out such as mephedrone may well be addictive, we just don't know. I've done it a few times and while you are on it it is very "moreish", but then at the same time if you was in the pub and finished your pint you'd be straight to the bar for your next.
You talk about tolerance and crime but I kind of disagree. (Going back to the booze comparison) When you started drinking you could probably only drink a small ammount before your pissed, now (assuming you drink on a fairly regular basis) you can drink more than you used to be able. That is increased tolerance and I'm assuming you don't go out robbing people to fund your next pint!
As for purity, if you really don't trust what is in the powder you are about to ingest you can buy test kits (much like the colour changing paper used in science class at school) to work out what it is you are about to take.
HutchGlanzaV
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I've done that before, did nothing for me! lol
durmz
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i dont claim to be no angel, but ive never done any drugs other than alcohol, i suppose i was lucky enough for my dad to have drummed into me, drugs are baadd!! lol, but imo alcohol can be just as bad as weed etc so im no saint. but as others have said, this stuffs all over the news and appears to have fucked some people right up, no thanks!
durmz
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HAHAHA! excellent lmao
HutchGlanzaV
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A few (less than 5 that I've heard of) have died and I dare say that was due to over consumption/mixing. How many people die every weekend due to too much booze? It doesn't make the papers so we don't think about it but I'd wager more people die from drink related problems in any given weekend than people that have taken mephedrone.
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HutchGlanzaV
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I've just realised that I've probably come across as "defender of the mephedrone"!
GT_Irl
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In some cases yes but that can also be linked to having an addictive personality. I have dabbled alot and never felt like I ever needed anything or that they were particularily on my mind afterwards. I find alcohol much more addictive tbh!
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Not to mention the cost to the NHS of putting all those idiots who end up in a and e back together (Well the ones that arent victims anyway) and the cost/waste of police time dealing with drunk and disorderly cases and drink drivers etc etc etc!!! Alcohol is waaaaaaaay worse than most drugs imo
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parkiboy
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Right.. i'd like to say i do take drugs and alot of my friends do, im not ashamed to admit it, i may have a couple of nights out a month taking drugs...
Drugs get a bad name, people associate drugs with instant death, people leeching off government benefits, stealing for drug money etc etc... I can assure you i know nobody like that everyone i know leads normal lives and work for a living that just enjoy an alcohol substitute every now and then.
Drugs.. like alcohol are safe done in moderation, the only thing different is i would always recommend researching a drug before you actually do it, you will be suprised at your findings as many drugs just have as many side affects, sometimes less than alcohol.
I generally stick to Ecstasy and Weed although i have tried others, when it comes to Mephadrone, although i have tried it i would not recommend it, Any other drug out there tends to have 100s of years of research behind it, people know the long term risks, what happens if you abuse it and what it is etc..
I mean i dont do coke myself, i have friends who do, but do you know that study has been done to prove that your body can handle 1.4g (about £60s worth) in a day, before its classed as a potentially harmful overdose?? (although everybody is different obviously) i mean thats alot of coke for a day, you go to tescos and buy £60 worth of ale and see if your still living after drinking that..
With Mcat, its pretty much come out of nowhere, theres no health studies done on it... Now however i do not back up the media, the media is all hyped up to scare and sculpture people who cant think for themselves into what everyone thinks of model citizens.
I might turn out to be bad.. it might turn out to be just as safe as the rest of them in moderation, but until study is done nobody knows.
End of the day people who drink or smoke are doing just as much damage and possibly more damage to there body... only difference is is that its legal.
Drugs get a bad name, people associate drugs with instant death, people leeching off government benefits, stealing for drug money etc etc... I can assure you i know nobody like that everyone i know leads normal lives and work for a living that just enjoy an alcohol substitute every now and then.
Drugs.. like alcohol are safe done in moderation, the only thing different is i would always recommend researching a drug before you actually do it, you will be suprised at your findings as many drugs just have as many side affects, sometimes less than alcohol.
I generally stick to Ecstasy and Weed although i have tried others, when it comes to Mephadrone, although i have tried it i would not recommend it, Any other drug out there tends to have 100s of years of research behind it, people know the long term risks, what happens if you abuse it and what it is etc..
I mean i dont do coke myself, i have friends who do, but do you know that study has been done to prove that your body can handle 1.4g (about £60s worth) in a day, before its classed as a potentially harmful overdose?? (although everybody is different obviously) i mean thats alot of coke for a day, you go to tescos and buy £60 worth of ale and see if your still living after drinking that..
With Mcat, its pretty much come out of nowhere, theres no health studies done on it... Now however i do not back up the media, the media is all hyped up to scare and sculpture people who cant think for themselves into what everyone thinks of model citizens.
I might turn out to be bad.. it might turn out to be just as safe as the rest of them in moderation, but until study is done nobody knows.
End of the day people who drink or smoke are doing just as much damage and possibly more damage to there body... only difference is is that its legal.
Arnold
Lifer
I'm not getting all high and mighty etc when i say i've never taken drugs, or smoked, but i'm actually quite proud of myself for not doing so. As been said above, i think if you NEED to take something to feel good, then you've got problems, but that's your life. Everyone is different. I know people who said they would never take them, and they did and they haven't looked back.. I guess everyone is different.
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HutchGlanzaV
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Pretty much agree there Parki. The idea that "drugs are bad" (m'kay! lol) is just untrue in my eyes. Drugs CAN be bad if abused and that goes for the ones that are legal as well as the ones that are illegal. For someone to admit they use drugs does not mean they are admitting that they are in a spiralling pit of despair and the only way they can get through the day is in a drug induced haze. You can lead a perfectly normal, productive life and still use drugs in exactly the same way that you can live a perfectly normal, productive life and still enjoy a couple of beers in an evening.
If you believe that drugs have done nothing good for the human race I want you to do me a favour. Get all your music together in a big pile, dowse it in petrol and set fire to it because they artists that created the wonderful music that has altered your life for the better, given you inspiration and helped you get through the day were all really high on drugs!
If you believe that drugs have done nothing good for the human race I want you to do me a favour. Get all your music together in a big pile, dowse it in petrol and set fire to it because they artists that created the wonderful music that has altered your life for the better, given you inspiration and helped you get through the day were all really high on drugs!
Skidz
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I'm a musician but I don't take drugs, maybe thats where I'm going wrong!
I've never taken drugs, ever. The thought of losing control of my mind and having fucked up visions if I'm honest really scares me! You hear of people dieing in they're sleep, because they did something when they were under the influence or choked on their own vomit in their sleep.
I'm not really much of a drinker either, I can't stand the head-spin after consuming alcohol, to me its the worst feeling in the world. I'm not saying I don't drink, love a nice cold beer after a hard week at work, or on a nice hot day with ya mates.
I don't have a problem with drugs if people can control themselves on them. Had some people I used to work with that used to do coke on their lunch breaks now and then, just turned them into aggressive low-life wankers. And people that can't hold a job down because of their drug addiction I would love to see put down, complete waste of air.
I've never taken drugs, ever. The thought of losing control of my mind and having fucked up visions if I'm honest really scares me! You hear of people dieing in they're sleep, because they did something when they were under the influence or choked on their own vomit in their sleep.
I'm not really much of a drinker either, I can't stand the head-spin after consuming alcohol, to me its the worst feeling in the world. I'm not saying I don't drink, love a nice cold beer after a hard week at work, or on a nice hot day with ya mates.
I don't have a problem with drugs if people can control themselves on them. Had some people I used to work with that used to do coke on their lunch breaks now and then, just turned them into aggressive low-life wankers. And people that can't hold a job down because of their drug addiction I would love to see put down, complete waste of air.