methanol+stock internal+20psi
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Tim@TBDevelopments
Lifer
do you mean as an additional spray or 100% methanol instead of petrol?
Tim
Tim
i have fpr stock injectors, stock internals and run td04l at 13psi now , i dont want to install a ecu in this moment i want to get more than 220whp without electronicAs said above, before attempting something like that, get a good stand alone and a good tuner
And you will need a bigger fuel pump and compatible injectors.
What turbo do you have?
Complete meth kit AEM
do you mean as an additional spray or 100% methanol instead of petrol?
Tim
i will buy full kit meth AEM 50% METH 50% WATER
glanzasteve
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i have no idea about your question but i just wanted to ask, is it ok to run a td04 on stock ecu with fuel pressure regulator and a fuel cut defender? no other mods?
as i have a td04 to go on and i have a frp on the car. would it b ok to just fit the fuel cut and run safely?
as i have a td04 to go on and i have a frp on the car. would it b ok to just fit the fuel cut and run safely?
H_D
Member +
Yeah it can be done but you cant run high boost with a stock engine and make sure you get the fueling checked on a RR
glanzasteve
Fresh Recruit
whats an ok level of boost? mine has an external waste gate with a 0.8bar spring, will this be ok?
gorganl2000
Lifer
Guye
Lifer
X2. Why do you say "methanol+stock internal+20psi = BANG!" H_D?
OP, at that power level it is important to have a good tune on stock internals.
And you will net more usable power by getting a good stand alone. Timing for methanol wont work on stock timing maps.
And watch out to not push the turbo to hard.
No point in using methanol if you can not have control over it.
And you will net more usable power by getting a good stand alone. Timing for methanol wont work on stock timing maps.
And watch out to not push the turbo to hard.
No point in using methanol if you can not have control over it.
Tim@TBDevelopments
Lifer
those kits are OK to run just don't expect miracles from it, they are a small additional bonus, depending on car and mapped properly I've seen gains of around 10bhp and most of that is due to higher ignition advance down to better knock suppressant properties of the methanol and cooling of the water.
Tim
gorganl2000
Lifer
those kits are OK to run just don't expect miracles from it, they are a small additional bonus, depending on car and mapped properly I've seen gains of around 10bhp and most of that is due to higher ignition advance down to better knock suppressant properties of the methanol and cooling of the water.
Tim
i'm not sure if the base pump gas quality plays a part in the overall impact of a water/meth kit...but over in the caribbean where the pump gas octane is relatively low ("proclaimed" between 87-93),,,the meth/water kits have been used to very good effect with noticeable improvements in overall power/tuning/performace.
Tim@TBDevelopments
Lifer
yeah i think the worse the base fuel the better the gains you'll get once mapped for using a methanol spray. When doing these on 3sgte engine in the 350-400bhp mark depending on how much you inject typical 10bhp gains, if you then raise the ignition advance up and boost to match i was safely seeing 25bhp on a 400bhp car. Power delivery felt smooth as well. But i would only ever advise this on a good quality system that can detect low methanol, blocked jets etc. anything that it can throw the car into a safemode if for any reason the methanol isn't spraying. as if you do get a blocked jet or run out of methanol its bye bye engine as it'll be mapped for that extra det protection. I don't think the AEM is that advanced to do that. the best onces i've found are the aquamist 2D kit upwards or the new line or kits there doing.
If your not mapping for it don't expect a huge amounts of gains, if anything it normally takes power away as the methanol acts like additional fuel and overfuels, causing you to loose torque in the midrange, and sometimes causes a small misfire as the methanol is first injected, The better kits like i mentioned above will bring it in gradually and match what it injects to the fuel injectors to give a fuel/methanol ratio which you then tune with the jets, so you run a 1:20 setup regardless what the fueling is doing you will maintain that ratio.
Tim
If your not mapping for it don't expect a huge amounts of gains, if anything it normally takes power away as the methanol acts like additional fuel and overfuels, causing you to loose torque in the midrange, and sometimes causes a small misfire as the methanol is first injected, The better kits like i mentioned above will bring it in gradually and match what it injects to the fuel injectors to give a fuel/methanol ratio which you then tune with the jets, so you run a 1:20 setup regardless what the fueling is doing you will maintain that ratio.
Tim