STARLET N/A
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gv1.3 - Most of the videos show are taken out of context, have u taken the time to watch the whole lectures?
And jihad doesnt mean war!
And jihad doesnt mean war!
'Muhammad' ranked most popular boys' name in England
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@gv1.3 you sound like a decent guy too mate.the thing is if you want to judge someones belief you should look deeper into their beliefs.I have read the Quran several times and and in nowhere have I read anything about doing bad things obviously if you take things out of context it can sound bad.if you really want to find out about someones relegion you should go to the original source and not by the minority of ppl who give it a bad name. Jihad means striving in the path of Allah(god).so just say we get tempted do have a drink of alcohol but we stop our self that is jihad too
There is no point getting in to the discussions about the Religion! In the end everyone will disagree with each other! The Religion is not something you can easily discuss, particularly in the UK with their stupid laws.
Communism wasn't such a bad idea by the way, at least everyone had a job and people had free houses, free holidays, free education and free health system (the education and the health system in the USSR were one of the best in the world!) the things you've seen on TV about the queue for the bread was a CNN/BBC propaganda - in fact the media in the UK does a really good brain wash to everyone, they tell you what they want you to know!
I grew up in USSR and I know how it's like on the personal experience!
Communism wasn't such a bad idea by the way, at least everyone had a job and people had free houses, free holidays, free education and free health system (the education and the health system in the USSR were one of the best in the world!) the things you've seen on TV about the queue for the bread was a CNN/BBC propaganda - in fact the media in the UK does a really good brain wash to everyone, they tell you what they want you to know!
I grew up in USSR and I know how it's like on the personal experience!
addz
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There are always infidels who call themselves Muslims - I can find horrific videos on almost every religion which is by far out of context. These threads just lose respect of one another, yes views are exchanged, but respect is lost. It's just an utter shame stereotyping of religion still exists.
AdDaMan
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Totally agree. Maybe one day.
scot-ish
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i work onboard a ship with a lot of polish people, day in day out. and they certainly remember the comunist times as a horrible horrible thing, full of propoganda, where they wer brainwashed, all tell me of no food, queues for what ther was, and no toys as a kid, they all believe they now have a better life.
The only change in Poland since then, that now they can buy anything they want' but nobody has the money for that! But it's still horrible, horrible place to live.
I'm sure you've never lived in the USSR to say that, and the Poland..... the actual communism never been there.
We can start another thread if you want -) this one is about the Muhammed.
glanzanut
Lifer
At the end of the day nobody is ever goin to aggree about religion hence why its behind most big conflicts around the globe.
but one thing thats undisputable is the fact that if people of british origin flocked in the hundreds of thousands to a foreign country, claimed millions of pounds in benifits and slammed there views in the faces of people from that country there would be hell to pay!
example, wonder how it would go if a hundred thousand brits moved to dubai and went out rampaging the streets pissed and getting off with one another, using the excuse well we do it at home so who are you to stop us?
and yet we have basically been invaded over the last few decades right under our noses untill the point where this country wont be our own anymore and what our values are wont matter shit
but one thing thats undisputable is the fact that if people of british origin flocked in the hundreds of thousands to a foreign country, claimed millions of pounds in benifits and slammed there views in the faces of people from that country there would be hell to pay!
example, wonder how it would go if a hundred thousand brits moved to dubai and went out rampaging the streets pissed and getting off with one another, using the excuse well we do it at home so who are you to stop us?
and yet we have basically been invaded over the last few decades right under our noses untill the point where this country wont be our own anymore and what our values are wont matter shit
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gv1.3
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Where did I say Ireland was the greatest country? If you are joking make it more obvious, I am not the only one who failed to see the funny side.
Come on now mate, you cannot say the video I have posted was taken out of context, it is made up of people preaching in a mosque in English and it is very obvious what they are saying. I have watched so many lectures and speeches by muslims now I should probably just become one
I dont believe it is right to form an opinion based on idle gossip and stuff you see on TV so I do my research. What I have found is quite worrying to be honest. Jihad can mean many things depending on the context. To some people it does mean certain types of war for certain reasons, to you it might mean something very different.
As above I really do attempt to research these things, I find religion in general and its effect on society very interesting. The issue with the Quran is that it is all about interpretation. You will read it and take something from it but others will read it and take something completely different. Again Jihad can mean many things and is open to interpretation, striving in the path of Allah might mean not drinking to you but might mean something completely different to someone else.
My single biggest concern about islam is the belief that non-muslims are wrong or somehow lessor beings. The belief that one should always side with ones muslim brother regardless of circumstance. This is worrying to me but it does explain why you rarely hear muslim people outwardly condemning acts of violence carried out by what they refer to as minorities. Allow me to explain further. During the troubles in Ireland if the IRA bombed somewhere and killed people the vast majority of Catholics would be against it, the government in the republic would condemn it, the Catholic church would condemn it ans the people of Ireland for the most part would condemn it. This proved the people carrying out the attacks were a handful of people. When people are threatening to kill a cartoonist for drawing a cartoon of your prophet or when they butcher a filmmaker to death on the streets of Amsterdam for a film he made, the muslim community remains quiet about it, I find silence pretty damning to be honest.
I have to agree with that. People get their knickers in a twist when you say stuff like "communism is a good idea" because they see communism in practice. In practice many things dont work out but the actual fundamentals of communism are fair and would provide for all - a Utopian world - unfortunately when you add humans to the mix suddenly greed and power get in the way and it is no longer adhering to the fundamentals and as such ceases to be real communism. As good an ideal as I think communism is I cant ever see how it could function in an acceptable way as I dont believe it is in the human psyche to share everything equally and not want to have everything for themselves. This is not really a bad thing as capitalism has driven private companies to develop technologies in the pharma, communications, IT and many other sectors which have saved countless lives and improved many peoples lives too.
williamocarroll1982
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Where did I say Ireland was the greatest country? If you are joking make it more obvious, I am not the only one who failed to see the funny side.
Come on now mate, you cannot say the video I have posted was taken out of context, it is made up of people preaching in a mosque in English and it is very obvious what they are saying. I have watched so many lectures and speeches by muslims now I should probably just become one
Jihad can mean many things depending on the context. To some people it does mean certain types of war for certain reasons, to you it might mean something very different.
As above I really do attempt to research these things, I find religion in general and its effect on society very interesting. The issue with the Quran is that it is all about interpretation. You will read it and take something from it but others will read it and take something completely different. Again Jihad can mean many things and is open to interpretation, striving in the path of Allah might mean not drinking to you but might mean something completely different to someone else.
My single biggest concern about islam is the belief that non-muslims are wrong or somehow lessor beings. The belief that one should always side with ones muslim brother regardless of circumstance. This is worrying to me but it does explain why you rarely hear muslim people outwardly condemning acts of violence carried out by what they refer to as minorities. Allow me to explain further. During the troubles in Ireland if the IRA bombed somewhere and killed people the vast majority of Catholics would be against it, the government in the republic would condemn it, the Catholic church would condemn it ans the people of Ireland for the most part would condemn it. This proved the people carrying out the attacks were a handful of people. When people are threatening to kill a cartoonist for drawing a cartoon of your prophet or when they butcher a filmmaker to death on the streets of Amsterdam for a film he made, the muslim community remains quiet about it, I find silence pretty damning to be honest.
I have to agree with that. People get their knickers in a twist when you say stuff like "communism is a good idea" because they see communism in practice. In practice many things dont work out but the actual fundamentals of communism are fair and would provide for all - a Utopian world - unfortunately when you add humans to the mix suddenly greed and power get in the way and it is no longer adhering to the fundamentals and as such ceases to be real communism. As good an ideal as I think communism is I cant ever see how it could function in an acceptable way as I dont believe it is in the human psyche to share everything equally and not want to have everything for themselves. This is not really a bad thing as capitalism has driven private companies to develop technologies in the pharma, communications, IT and many other sectors which have saved countless lives and improved many peoples lives too.
I agree with all of the above. Very well thought out and in fairness to you, you aren't Muslim bashing you're just stating things as you see them
gv1.3
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cheers William. I dont think bashing religions is beneficial to anyone but at the same time I dont think we should not speak our minds. Religion, whilst not something I believe in, is something I believe people have the right to follow. Most religions have some negatives and I see a lot wrong with the primary religion in Ireland - Catholicism - when someone starts a thread about that I will be all over it
EDIT: I like discussions on these topics. Some of the threads regarding religion that have been started on here in the past have been very interesting and sometimes will spill over in to PM's for several days afterward with very interesting opinions for and against.
s.murphy
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On a lighter note, couldnt help thinking of this when i saw the thread title lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBSQabGk-wo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBSQabGk-wo&feature=related
gv1.3
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lol classic! Irish R n B singer...
williamocarroll1982
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cheers William. I dont think bashing religions is beneficial to anyone but at the same time I dont think we should not speak our minds. Religion, whilst not something I believe in, is something I believe people have the right to follow. Most religions have some negatives and I see a lot wrong with the primary religion in Ireland - Catholicism - when someone starts a thread about that I will be all over it
Although not an atheist like you I know longer consider myself to be a catholic but this isn't because of the child abuse scandles or even some of the simply outrageous statements that the Pope has made. I'm not going to sit here and blame it on everyone else that I don't practice my religion anymore, its because I don't consider myself a good catholic and I don't see the point in pretending im a catholic when I don't act like one.
I'll explain what I mean. I don't believe in abortion but I don't think I have the right to tell ANY woman what to do with her body. I'm not married and ive had sex which is a big no no, I think contraception is a necessity is the world nowadays, I dont feel the need to tell my short comings a human being to a man that has no experience of what it is to live in the real world and I don't go to mass so how could I, in all reality claim to be a Catholic!!! I still believe in 99% of the teachings of the faith I was raised to believe in though. I find it a laugh that people who are far worse than me still think its perfectly ok to get married in a church and bitch and moan about it when priest's give them hassle about it even though with the last few years priests have been MUCH more lenient on this subject. I have the utmost respect for the Catholic faith (some of the Hierarchy leave alot to be desired though) so it annoys me when people call themselves 'Non practicing Catholics'. What the hell is a 'Non practicing Catholic', either you are one or your not.
I have a HUGE fascination with religion as a topic and really enjoy a good debate about it. Its interesting to hear peoples views but many people are ill-informed on the topic and generally base their opinions on hear-say and rag news paper articles which is a shame really.
Arnold
Lifer
Going back to the original most popular name thing, there was a news article on the TV about it. Basically, pretty much all muslims are being called Mohammed, so it doesn't generally mean Britian is being overrun by muslims, it's just a name. If brits didn't use the thousands of different names out there, then they'd probably still be more popular than mohammed, it's just they're not being very imaginative and can only think of one name to use. Britian doesn't really use traditional names any more just because times have changed.
If you had a school with 100 kids, 90 brits and 10 muslim, chances are mohammed would be the popular name (10%), but still doesn't mean they're the majority race.
If you had a school with 100 kids, 90 brits and 10 muslim, chances are mohammed would be the popular name (10%), but still doesn't mean they're the majority race.
dont want people to bite my head off, im not very good with words etc.
i am 100% british, have only lived in england. i remember when i was younger i could walk down the street and not see any other race or religion. now every other house isnt british. i feel like i live in the minority in my area.
i feel that i have no say so in anything which is rediculous as it was my grandparents who fought and lost their lives to keep the contry under english control, now we are just letting it go to who ever wants it.
i get very worked up when i hear people calling the english racist, why should we be in the wrong for being racist in our own country? i belive the country should keep its english hertiage.
i am 100% british, have only lived in england. i remember when i was younger i could walk down the street and not see any other race or religion. now every other house isnt british. i feel like i live in the minority in my area.
i feel that i have no say so in anything which is rediculous as it was my grandparents who fought and lost their lives to keep the contry under english control, now we are just letting it go to who ever wants it.
i get very worked up when i hear people calling the english racist, why should we be in the wrong for being racist in our own country? i belive the country should keep its english hertiage.
Reeco
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Those are the exact same reasons i get so annoyed with this subject, i think we should be allowed to express our views in anyway we want without being judged in a negative way, but it seems impossible in our modern day society.
williamocarroll1982
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Thats the joys of living in a country that allows you to have an opinion that you have come to on your own and to voice that opinion openly. You are perfectly entitled to say what you want but the people listening to what you say are equally allowed to say you are a racist for saying it. I'm not saying you are or you not not but I DO believe in the fundamental right to free speech and who am I to judge you for what you believe. If people who move to england are allowed to voice their views in public then I think you are perfectly entitled to voice yours too, especially in your own country whether or not I agree with you or not
ye thats fair enough, not got a problem with that, i just think we shouldnt b so open to as many people just moving to our country cause we have a good system, they gain from our hard work. and by them doing that they are bringing the country crashing down. by no way am i being racist, just stating what is happening