Oil sqirters

09paseo

Fresh Recruit
Hello from Austria,

Does anyone have oil squirters for piston cooling on your forged engine?

I took PEC rods and Woessner Pistons to build a 5efte.
 

Skalabala

Member +
I do not know of anyone. But if you are not going for more than 300hp then it might not be worth it.
However it is an good idea.
Tap into the oil galley to fit the squirters/sprayers and rise your oil pump pressure :)
 

lukep

Member +
4e/5e have oil squirters built into the rods. Standard have a small drilling in the big end pointing up and forged have groves both sides in the big end.
 

09paseo

Fresh Recruit
No I won't go more than 250hp.
But the 5E PEC rods don't have any drilling or groves I've seen.

To make the squirters/sprayers in the block there's too little space.

Sorry for my bad english. ;)
 

weeJohn

Lifer
This is a good idea, but I have to think of the consequences in other parts of the engine. Squirters are effectively an area where oil "leaks" from the pressurised oilways, thats how they manage to do there job. At higher revs when the oil pressure is higher I dont see it being much of a problem, but at lower revs, especially idle I can see it becoming one.

Some squirters I believe have a check valve system that only allow oil to pass when the pressure is higher, so just drilling a hole in there is not an effective solution.
 

09paseo

Fresh Recruit
I thought about a external electrical oil pump which seats outside on the oil sump, that takes the oil from the sump to a extra hand-made oil circuit with squirters on the end of this.
Then it has no impact to the oil pressure from the engine.
 

09paseo

Fresh Recruit
@Skalabala
There is the notch that you mean
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Skalabala

Member +
The image is not working :(
You need to shim the oil pump that's all :)
But for you build it really is not worth it, if the job is not done correctly things can go bad like sprayer dropping into the sump after a year or so.
 

09paseo

Fresh Recruit
Your rods are fine then.

That was just an example, but that is the notch that I have to make, because the PEC rods that I have, have no notch.

Directly under the sure clip?
My decision is to forget the plan with the squirters, but its too dangerous to get a damage on the engine.
Should I increase the oil pressure anyhow? Because my oil circuit is long with the cooler and filter re-location.
And do I need more Breathers when I go more pressure?
 

weeJohn

Lifer
Look at SR20DET oil squiters, or MR2 oil squirter systems, think they might be easier to install than rod mounted ones.
 

Skalabala

Member +
It is a really good idea to shim an oil pressure relief valve even in a stock build.
The 1E/2E/4E has a very small hydroplane surface on the big ends, this is really bad for performance engines.
These engines fails mostly because of that and forging helps nothing, sad but true :(
Have those rods notched and shim the oil pressure relief valve :)

There is a washer cup under the sure clip that the spring sits in, you want to put the spacer there between the washer and spring :)
 

dac69er

Super Moderator
It is a really good idea to shim an oil pressure relief valve even in a stock build.
The 1E/2E/4E has a very small hydroplane surface on the big ends, this is really bad for performance engines.
These engines fails mostly because of that and forging helps nothing, sad but true :(
Have those rods notched and shim the oil pressure relief valve :)

There is a washer cup under the sure clip that the spring sits in, you want to put the spacer there between the washer and spring :)

where did you get this info from? toyota would have run higher oil pressure if it was needed on a stock engine. most engines are not wrecked because of this. if you run pressure that is too high it can cause more issues than it solves.

if you build the engine correctly with the correct tolerances you dont need higher oil pressure on a relatively standard build.
 
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