Also i dnt care what anyone says gt5 is amazing, imo it blows forza out of the water, got an amazingly setup ek9 atm and it loves it, changing the exhaust actually changes the sound to a raspy bad boy, sounds awesome, go kartings quality, proper twitchy, easy to spin. Nascar is like driving a lorry, difficult to get used to, yet to unlock rallying. No damage yet though which is pants, dnt know if i need to up the settings or something