This is NOT April fools...

[FeNder]

my thoughts of it are as follows , hamiltom got to 3rd position fair and square after trulli slid off ,
i think mclaren werent sure wether the safety car would lead till the end of the race or not , hence no attack from trulli's faster car ?
if they thought about safety car leaving , then trulli wouldve overtaken lewis , so i thought they deliberately allowed trulli to pass , to penalise him and take 3rd anyway ,
even so , it took them 4 days to reach that penalty thing , trulli passed anyway , its not like he's a lil kid on the track , he knows theres a safety car out there , even if lewis is setting him up !

p.s im a mclaren/lewis fan btw , just thinking why would they risk all that for 1 more point !?

 

[steo800]

right, think ive pieced it together.

safety car out

hamilton in 4th, trulli in 3rd

this happens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-uDZJ2ls78

hamilton into 3rd. so all it good at this point, had it stayed like this everyone happy

trulli had settled for 4th, but hamilton wanted to let him pass back, and slowed down so much that trulli had no choice but to overtake him. so both seem to have good intentions here, and both are above board-no rule saying hamilton cant let cars go by and no rule saying trulli cant pass if car in front leaves him no other option, i.e. slowing down so much that they cannot follow lead cars, which in a safety car situation, they must staying with a reasonable amount of distance

so they finish the race like this, trulli 3rd, hamilton 4th.

after race, meeting with stewards, >>>THIS IS WHERE MCLAREN CAUSED THEMSELVES TROUBLE<<<

stewards ask mclaren did they let trulli pass, mclaren so no, trulli passed of his own accord. so stewards take mclaren on their word and give trulli 25 second penalty.

hamilton 3rd.

days later, stewards review team communication, and lewis says he let trulli pass him, whereas in the stewards meeting after race, he said he didint.

this is why he is dsq, wether intentionally or not, by saying they didnt let trulli pass was basically saying trulli broke the rules. if mclaren had said they let trulli back past them, well they would have been given 4th place and trulli 3rd.

good decisions by the stewards in my opinion, a lie is a lie, wether intentional or not

~edit~ sorry it wasnt vettel on podium my bad, none the less it doesnt really matter

 

[GTti]

days later, stewards review team communication, and lewis says he let trulli pass him, whereas in the stewards meeting after race, he said he didint.

this is why he is dsq, wether intentionally or not, by saying they didnt let trulli pass was basically saying trulli broke the rules. if mclaren had said they let trulli back past them, well they would have been given 4th place and trulli 3rd.

good decisions by the stewards in my opinion, a lie is a lie, wether intentional or not

I'm glad now you actually understand what happened now :haha:

McLaren were talking to Hamilton at the time when Trulli overtook him, they had not made the decision to let him past.

So when the Stewards asked they were not 'explicit' enough with their response.

This is all his DQ is for.


The question is, why did McLaren even need to be explicit, the Stewards have access to all team communications this year.

If you think that is a good decision in motorsport then I think you're an idiot.

 

[artmull]

If you lot have been following F1 as long as I have you would realize that the FIA does have it in for McLaren. Mosley has a personal beef against Ron Dennis and stopped short in his deposition of accusing McLaren of leaking his sexual actions to the press. It is a fact that Ferrari has always sided with the FIA, hence the term "the red car rule". This year has been the first year in almost 60 years of F1 that Ferrari has sided with the other teams. With Bernie and Mosley being British does not prevent them from being biased otherwise Bernie would not be trying so hard to get rid of the British GP. The real crux of the matter is that the teams spend millions to develop their cars and put on a show and all the money goes to Bernie who refuses to lower the fees required for a race in these hard economic times. That is the reason why there will never be either a US GP or Canadian GP. If Mosley and the FIA were so concerned about making F1 green and cheaper they would not insist on the KERS which has already cost the larger teams hundreds of millions of dollars to develop. If the teams were not united this year the FIA and Bernie would get their wish to introduce this rubbish about medals and the car/driver winning the most races being declared the champion this year instead of next year. The prices for success as far as the FIA are concerned are fines and penalties. Do any of you know about Denny Hulme??? Do a search and see how many races he won when he was World champion. Is there bias against Lewis Hamilton?? Hell yes! I am about fairness and if the FIA can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that McLaren broke the rules then by all means they should be penalised. There can be no excuses this year because the FIA has access to all the race day details including radio communication, fuel levels and the weight of the cars. If anyone cares to then you should read the transcript of the so called trial of McLaren and maybe the un-initiated will understand that the FIA did not have a leg to stand on. Not to mention that Renault only received a slap on the wrist for almost the same thing. The fact is yes Nigel Stepney gave a McLaren engineer a stack of Ferrari blueprints but when the competition committee checked both cars there were no similarities unlike the Red Bull and Toro Rosso cars which were supposed to be different although they were designed by the same team but were identical last year. The point is the FIA tried everything possible last year to prevent Hamilton from becoming champion and he himself helped them quite a lot by making several mistakes but it was not to be. Well, Ferrari received no points from Australia and now McLaren so we are off to a very interesting start to this year.

 

[steo800]

I'm glad now you actually understand what happened now :haha:

McLaren were talking to Hamilton at the time when Trulli overtook him, they had not made the decision to let him past.

So when the Stewards asked they were not 'explicit' enough with their response.

This is all his DQ is for.


The question is, why did McLaren even need to be explicit, the Stewards have access to all team communications this year.

If you think that is a good decision in motorsport then I think you're an idiot.

i understand all along what happened. i think it is you who does not understand.

they did give hamilton an order to allow trulli past.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soA1hYp1m_Q

30-60 seconds

"McLaren: Lewis, you need to allow the Toyota through. Allow the Toyota through now.
LH: OK.
LH: Hes slowed right down in front of me.
McLaren: OK, Lewis. Stay ahead for the time being. Stay ahead. We will get back to you. We are talking to Charlie [Whiting FIA race director].
LH: I let him past already.
McLaren: OK, Lewis. Thats fine. Thats fine. Hold position. Hold position."

so mclaren did let trulli past, stated trulli had slowed right down in front of him, but at this stage it was to late, they let trulli past and that was that.

basically the stewards asked a yes or no question, they gave answer no, but infact the answer was yes, they did allow trulli past during the race.

so if someone gained an unfair advantage, once it passes 3 days, then it becomes fair? facts are facts, doesnt matter how long after the incident they surface.

thank you for your idiot comment, but i have stated the facts, the fia are right in what they done, mclaren are wrong, so you just throw me in the "idiot" group with the fia. we must be wrong.

 

[GTti]

'A discussion was occurring, and before that discussion was finished, Trulli had repassed.If we look at the speed traces during that time and compare it to other periods under the safety car, then Lewis didn't do anything abnormal, and I think it was also quite clear that Trulli shouldn't have repassed.As soon as that happened, we then spoke to race control to explain that and ask if we could retake that place.At the time, understandably, race control was busy and they weren't able to give us an answer.We asked several times but clearly they were very busy so we had to then deal with it.We felt that it would be resolved by the stewards after the race.At the stewards' meeting we mistakenly believed that the stewards were aware of that radio conversation.The stewards now believe that we were not explicit enough about that radio conversation and felt that therefore that was prejudicial to the decision that they reached.Obviously we regret that, and that was a mistake by the team, but we've got to accept the decision that's been made.

Regardless of all of this, WHAT is the problem with letting Trulli past again in uncertainty?

If the Stewards answered McLaren's question then this whole situation would have been avoided.

After listening to youtube, I still think anyone who thinks a DQ is jutified is an idiot. I am not religious, I'm agnostic, I have morals and I know the difference between right and wrong thats how my thoughts are based.

This is wrong and not warranted.

 

[GTti]

head of fia max mosely UK
head of f1 bernie ecclstone UK
race director charlie whiting UK
mclaren UK
hamilton UK

if there was unfair treatment of mclaren, wouldnt be very patriotic would it?

What about a Nazi orgy?

Bernie Ecclestone is a money orientated man and just wants a spectacle, have you ever been to Donnington Park? If the GP is hosted there in 2010 I image most people will come away with trench foot.

 

[FeNder]

LOL @ trench foot ! sounds like a shitty place

 

[nexia201]

Regardless of all of this, WHAT is the problem with letting Trulli past again in uncertainty?

If the Stewards answered McLaren's question then this whole situation would have been avoided.

After listening to youtube, I still think anyone who thinks a DQ is jutified is an idiot. I am not religious, I'm agnostic, I have morals and I know the difference between right and wrong thats how my thoughts are based.

This is wrong and not warranted.

Well you sound like a really bad looser mate just get over it now thats the decision and it will stay regarding what you (the clever guy )will say (as we others are all idiots according to you )


Some guys in here are like bulls they cant see the red colour or they go mad even so ferrari wasnt in this issue its name is still flagged all over the post some of the guys here are just sick , get over it !:slap:

 

[GTti]

I don't care about Ferrari, I want to see F1 become more competitive, this is not the way to do it. You're just incapable of looking at the bigger picture, the sport is becoming a farce.

The fact you come on posting with nothing constructive to suggest that this is deserved, and think this is the right way to govern one of the worlds most expensive and highly viewed sports says it all really.

Regarding the idiot statement, in my defence you insinuated I was stupid far before that comment was made. So don't start pulling that shit out of the hat.

P.S. . . . . . . Here's some dots, use them.

 

[nexia201]

I don't care about Ferrari, I want to see F1 become more competitive, this is not the way to do it. You're just incapable of looking at the bigger picture, the sport is becoming a farce.

The fact you come on posting with nothing constructive to suggest that this is deserved, and think this is the right way to govern one of the worlds most expensive and highly viewed sports says it all really.

Regarding the idiot statement, in my defence you insinuated I was stupid far before that comment was made. So don't start pulling that shit out of the hat.

P.S. . . . . . . Here's some dots, use them.

as i said if you think its becoming a farce then just dont watch it no one is forcing you ! And if someone insinuated that you are an idiot you cant just call everyone an idiot cos they did and because they dont agree with you every one has his opinion . So what should be the bigger picture that a team does a mistake on purpose or not and the Fia to make it more competitive lets it go by ( for the competiveness sake ) bulloks rules are rules and are there to stick with thats the only picture.....................!

 

[sx_turbo]

i'm wholey with gtti on this one

 

[rb69]

To be honest with all this, it's the FIA that's at fault. They are seriously fucking with the sport. It isn't all about Hamilton and slating him or loving him, I am a fan of his and hope he does well. It's the extremeness of the stupid decisons the FIA is making that piss me off. Trulli and Vettel also both got royally fucked over, and how the FIA can make a decision on the race almost a week after is turning it into a farce.

They've introduced this KERS system to make it more interesting, and provide more overtaking opportunities for the drivers, yet when Kubica and Vettel have a crash whilst genuinly fighting for track position and going at it 50/50, they decide to make an example out of Vettel and make him look like a twat for it.

The FIA needs to sort itself out.

 

[GTti]

I've calmed down from yesterday, sorry for being rash nexia201 & steo800.

Last year 50% of races resulted in Stewards decisions, first race this year we see the same thing.

Motor racing has accidents and mistakes, this is the nature of the sport. Now we have come to expect that what happens on the day doesn't really matter any more.

 

[Phil]

I've calmed down from yesterday, sorry for being rash nexia201 & steo800.

Last year 50% of races resulted in Stewards decisions, first race this year we see the same thing.

Motor racing has accidents and mistakes, this is the nature of the sport. Now we have come to expect that what happens on the day doesn't really matter any more.

not agreeing or disagreeing because i am a confessed massive Hamilton fan!

But the point is that with stewards and officials paying attention to every detail of situations after the event, its actually makes “what happens on the day” matter so much more! In other words things don’t just get swept under the carpet, I think ever one is in agreement that the problems lie with the stewards now because they have taken on that responsibility to monitor both in real time and in hindsight and base decisions on both. Its hard and yes I think from time to time they get it very wrong.

Just my thoughts on F1, I thinks its great a exciting watch, controversial and I think that this season stands every chance of being fantastic.

Phil

 

[steo800]

i only posted in this thread as i didnt wanna hear this crap all year.

i have pointed out above what the facts are, and from these i believe the fia made the right decision. if mclaren have information that puts them in the clear, then im sure they will put it forward if for some reason they havnt already done, and will be given their race position back. if the info they have puts them in the clear, they must not have submitted it yet as they are still dsq from australia.

just because it wasnt on the day of the race or the next day, doesnt mean it was the wrong decision. a fact is there to stay, and wont change or become less important over time.

mclaren have suspended their race director, who made the decision to tell the stewards incorrect information, because he done wrong on behalf of mclaren. mclaren breached codes of conduct and now are suffering the penalty.

what happens on the race day does matter still, but if rules will be broken, penalties will be given. if an olympic swimmer wins a race, but turns out they failed a drug test after the race, do you think they should still keep their medal?

lets not forget that this diffuser thing is still going on. this i will agree is a piss take of the fia. its either legal or it isnt. surely this could have been sorted out before the season started

just to add on the dsq being deserved or not-
basically what they said to the stewarts in the meeting after the race put the heat back on trulli. they hung him out to dry with the fia. they told porkies and new the consequence would put trulli in the shit. this is why the fia made their decision, based on whatever sporting code article

so altough dsq is harsh, lets not forget they willing tried to mislead the fia and make shit of another driver. maybe their speed traces can put them in clear, but they are leaving it late to pass them over to the fia

bring on malaysia

 

[Derek]

If the rules were broken then they deserved to get punished so whats the big deal?