Franza1
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Totally agree with you dylan, Most eastern europiean immagrents are Lutheran or Russian orthadox and i have not heard any demands from them to date, i stand to be corrected if they have.
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Totally agree with you dylan, Most eastern europiean immagrents are Lutheran or Russian orthadox and i have not heard any demands from them to date, i stand to be corrected if they have.
faisalgtturbo
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sorry dan didnt understand the question?
how do u mean if christians switched religons and became muslims or if they wanted to build a church in a muslim country
1) if anyone converts to islam they are welcome to read/pray beside us they dont have aseperate place for convert muslims once u are one thats it u go with everyone else
2 i have said before muslim countries do and have chritian history and buildings...
faisal
Franza1
Supermoderator & Area Reps Manager
Yes but he is still not God there for still Fallible.
dan_ep82
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sorry mate i meant if christians wanted to build a church in a muslim country? just wondered if the religion allows it ect
Phil
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faisalgtturbo
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what does fallible mean m8
also
more information for you
during the month of ramadhan on the 27 night (30 total) it is believed the Quran was finished and this night for our prophet lasted around 40 real time back then years ...
i cant fully rember the way it goes but GOD himslef spoke/read out the verses of the Quran to our prophet....
if the almighty has said it and our prophet has written it down where does it get lost in translation if it stayed the same throughout....
faisal
dac69er
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this is slightly off the point but i am going to say it anyway (its too late at night to be able to write this any better but ive tried my best and if it offends anyone im sorry, its not meant to come accross like that);
people in the uk are mostly quite proud to be british (not as much as we used to but we still are). it is a bit disheartening when you go to the capital city of the uk and you see more muslims/asians/polish etc than you do white brits.
it is a bit rascist i agree but if you went to china for example and all you saw were white Caucasians speaking english it would make you stop and think a bit.
its a bit like going to birmingham and them all having scottish accents, its something inherently individual about the area that distinguishes it from somewhere else.
the uk has a rich and interesting history and that is what makes the UK individual. different races and religions integrating into the uk society destroys its individualism.
the world is alot more integrated now and alot off different religions and races live together.
but untill the countries of the world are joined as one there will still be this divide.
people in the uk are mostly quite proud to be british (not as much as we used to but we still are). it is a bit disheartening when you go to the capital city of the uk and you see more muslims/asians/polish etc than you do white brits.
it is a bit rascist i agree but if you went to china for example and all you saw were white Caucasians speaking english it would make you stop and think a bit.
its a bit like going to birmingham and them all having scottish accents, its something inherently individual about the area that distinguishes it from somewhere else.
the uk has a rich and interesting history and that is what makes the UK individual. different races and religions integrating into the uk society destroys its individualism.
the world is alot more integrated now and alot off different religions and races live together.
but untill the countries of the world are joined as one there will still be this divide.
Phil
Super Moderator
the bible doesnt mention the quran,
the quran is just one of many additions that people have tried to run along side the bible, like the Mormon church etc, all the bible says is that nothing is to be added to or taken anyway from it.
gv1.3
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like your attitude Phil you seem pretty open about this stuff and comfortable with it. I always expect people to take offence when their religion is discussed and challenged but to get a version of what you believe in decent terms is welcomed.
On the evolution piece.. I think that to challenge the fact that evolved is just a step away from declaring the earth is flat. There is a pretty decent array of apes up to almost human missing just a couple of jumps but nothing that would make me question where we originated from.
Also if we all orginated from one single man and woman... wouldnt that involve sleeping with your sister? surely that is condoned?
I think the advances man has made in the past 100 years shows a huge leap in technology and thinking and is a perfect example of evolution.
On the evolution piece.. I think that to challenge the fact that evolved is just a step away from declaring the earth is flat. There is a pretty decent array of apes up to almost human missing just a couple of jumps but nothing that would make me question where we originated from.
Also if we all orginated from one single man and woman... wouldnt that involve sleeping with your sister? surely that is condoned?
I think the advances man has made in the past 100 years shows a huge leap in technology and thinking and is a perfect example of evolution.
Franza1
Supermoderator & Area Reps Manager
Definition of fallible > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fallible
Definition of Infallible ( Which god is suppose to be according to religion ) > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infallible
Phil
Super Moderator
if every translation says the same thing to a very minor degree varies slightly, and people who can read all of the original langauges agree that it is a good translation im happy.
btw the fundementals are very important, and the different translations i have differ so slightly its funny,
its a not a translation a)God is love
translation b) God is Hate
its ever so minor.
Phil
sorry mate i meant if christians wanted to build a church in a muslim country? just wondered if the religion allows it ect
Saudi - talk were being made about having a Church.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7302378.stm
Pakistan = Islamic Country
http://across.co.nz/PakistanChurches.html
faisalgtturbo
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ok
1) it seems that we are intergated well these days but infact we are not becase like i said before there is 'new racism' indirect discreet that affect minorites like the mangerial postitons i talked about
i agree we will never get past this divide.... but why and who will cause it...
faisal
gv1.3
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doesnt sound racist to me mate see exactly where you are coming from. There are areas of Dublin that are all muslim or all nigrian etc... I think its a shame on many levels:
1) I like my city having an identity
2) I would like to see people come to my country and experience it not set up ghettos and turn it into an extension of their country
3) Cultural diversity is great but share it
What I mean by the last point would point toward Indian people for example. They celebrate and involve others. An Indian guy I used to work with came into work with invitations inviting us all to some celebration regarding his daughter. A family beside my sister were celebrating something and knocked on the door and had some Indian sweets they had made for us to try.
Even where I am at the moment I like to hang around with the people I have met here and we have a good time but when in Rome and all that...
faisalgtturbo
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ok m8 i get it
but this is why this holy book is as it is
if u believe u cant argue with it
if u dont believe u can question it but u will be proved wrong...
when u start digging...
faisal
faisalgtturbo
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dylan Islam is open and very involving u just have to take the step toward it...
lol
faisal
dac69er
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not sure mate. even though its fundamentally wrong, this world still seems to be a white mans world. and dare i say it, from that perspective i can see why muslim fanatics get so irate and go to the extremes they do as there should be equality in this world.
just to confirm i do not condone any acts of terrorism at all. there is no need for it.
Franza1
Supermoderator & Area Reps Manager
That's good mate, just trying to let you know my way of thinking on the whole written word vs word of god debate.
faisalgtturbo
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i agree with your last line there is no need for it but what would u do if u lost everything... i cant imagine what i do i suppose one has to be in that situation to see what it is like
i far from a muslim fanatic, even my muslim knowledge is basci m8 i would love to learn but it would take along time... to understand it
i hope i havent casued enayone strife i just trying to help this topic along
lol
faisal
Phil
Super Moderator
the divide will finish one day faisel,
when the anti-christ comes,(a man of courage and immense fianacial prowess(i hear you say the world is set for his arrival lol yes it is!)) then he will solve the problems of the this world for a time, one of his answers will be(muslims will be prodominent by this time(you can see that happening)) that Israel i the root of all the problems, which it is, Gods choosen people who the West protects. he will suggest, if we unit we can obilerate the jew(hitler has tried that before and failed) then we have armageddeon, everyone versus Israel, but Christ will return and Israel will be Victors.
Phil
when the anti-christ comes,(a man of courage and immense fianacial prowess(i hear you say the world is set for his arrival lol yes it is!)) then he will solve the problems of the this world for a time, one of his answers will be(muslims will be prodominent by this time(you can see that happening)) that Israel i the root of all the problems, which it is, Gods choosen people who the West protects. he will suggest, if we unit we can obilerate the jew(hitler has tried that before and failed) then we have armageddeon, everyone versus Israel, but Christ will return and Israel will be Victors.
Phil