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[faisalgtturbo]

That's good mate, just trying to let you know my way of thinking on the whole written word vs word of god debate.

i know and i respect this


but this is why i am trying to help u gain a understanding that might spark u in to finding out more for ur self to educate yourself


my knowledge is basic on this subject.. there is so much in the Quran yo learn..

faisal

 

[faisalgtturbo]

the divide will finish one day faisel,

when the anti-christ comes,(a man of courage and immense fianacial prowess(i hear you say the world is set for his arrival lol yes it is!)) then he will solve the problems of the this world for a time, one of his answers will be(muslims will be prodominent by this time(you can see that happening)) that Israel i the root of all the problems, which it is, Gods choosen people who the West protects. he will suggest, if we unit we can obilerate the jew(hitler has tried that before and failed) then we have armageddeon, everyone versus Israel, but Christ will return and Israel will be Victors.

Phil

some is right

but jesus is going to return a muslim .......

 

[Phil]

Definition of fallible > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fallible

Definition of Infallible ( Which god is suppose to be according to religion ) > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infallible

see what your getting at Frankie,

well you see God inspired these chosen men to write, he gave them the words and the illustrations, alot of the books in the old testament are just lifestories written by a man who followed God. so they were fallible, but through God they could record his writings.

heres the question, how can a book written over 4thousand years by over 40 different (fallible) people, all tie in with eachother?

the answer, one (infallible) Author(God)

 

[Franza1]

I am pretty Enlightened on the subject already, i have not even scratched the surface on religion but learning about it is one of my passions. I have had a quick flick through some of the religious texts and did alot of research on it a while back when i was trying to discover my faith. I do intend to learn more on the subject. My next religious text to read on my list is strangely enough the Satanist's bible. I know some of you may not like this but how can you know what you are condemning if you do not understand it that's the way i look at it.

 

[faisalgtturbo]

I am pretty Enlightened on the subject already, i have not even scratched the surface on religion but learning about it is one of my passions. I have had a quick flick through some of the religious texts and did alot of research on it a while back when i was trying to discover my faith. I do intend to learn more on the subject. My next religious text to read on my list is strangely enough the Satanist's bible. I know some of you may not like this but how can you know what you are condemning if you do not understand it that's the way i look at it.

lol

whos the author

 

[Phil]

I am pretty Enlightened on the subject already, i have not even scratched the surface on religion but learning about it is one of my passions. I have had a quick flick through some of the religious texts and did alot of research on it a while back when i was trying to discover my faith. I do intend to learn more on the subject. My next religious text to read on my list is strangely enough the Satanist's bible. I know some of you may not like this but how can you know what you are condemning if you do not understand it that's the way i look at it.

hehe you will come full circle dude, the origin of the Devil is in the Bible.

in this present world being a satanist is "kooler" than being a "bible basher" (but not quite as hip as being an atheist lol)

Phil

 

[gv1.3]

I like the fact that I have no label

 

[Phil]

some is right

but jesus is going to return a muslim .......

that my friend

depends if you believe the bible or the add on to the bible thatsthe bible forewarns us not believe.

Phil

 

[Phil]

I like the fact that I have no label

big NIKEEE yoyoyoyo fan myself

 

[Franza1]

heres the question, how can a book written over 4thousand years by over 40 different (fallible) people, all tie in with eachother?

the answer, one (infallible) Author(God)

Yes but you could still have the same argument about the other religious texts created since. if they were all created at the exact point in time across the world and all looked 100% idendical then you may have a point. but the fact is they were not.

 

[faisalgtturbo]

each to there own and good luck to ya !!!!



faisal

 

[Franza1]

each to there own and good luck to ya !!!!



faisal

I agree with that. I'm just giving my thoughts and they are not meant to convert people to my way of thinking. That would be Hypocritical of me.

 

[FeNder]

that my friend

depends if you believe the bible or the add on to the bible thatsthe bible forewarns us not believe.

Phil

yet again you say its an add on , and since we all know the bible has been written a 10000 times then anyone couldve added that " dont believe it " part , i know that in the original coptic bible here in egypt it says there will be an honest prophet , opposite to what you say , different entity , over and out

 

[Phil]

like your attitude Phil you seem pretty open about this stuff and comfortable with it. I always expect people to take offence when their religion is discussed and challenged but to get a version of what you believe in decent terms is welcomed.

thanks

On the evolution piece.. I think that to challenge the fact that evolved is just a step away from declaring the earth is flat. There is a pretty decent array of apes up to almost human missing just a couple of jumps but nothing that would make me question where we originated from.

so the small changes of appearence was evolution, a hunched back to a straighter back? no, i dont think so, the missing stages ruin evolution, where is the talking apes? where are the apes that feel naked? where are the apes that build complicated shelters or define things as their own? no.

as for the flat earth?

heres something you may already know, in Job God explained the watercycle, the catching up of water and i quote "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind" he also spoke of the earth being suspended on nothing and i quote "He sits enthroned above the sphere of the earth" and "he suspends the earth over nothing"

Also if we all orginated from one single man and woman... wouldnt that involve sleeping with your sister? surely that is condoned?

you meant surely that is not condoned>? but anyhow there was no law to break at that time the law wasnt given until years later.

I think the advances man has made in the past 100 years shows a huge leap in technology and thinking and is a perfect example of evolution.

in my opinion thats not evolution at all, thats just compound knowledge, if all our technology was taken from us could we recoup it inside a week>? a century? its just a textbook knowledge/technology build up.

as for a thought on mans thinking coupled with technology i think the perfect example is war, man hates losing/man hates dieing, so if theres a war technology therefore moves on that bit quicker than usual self preservation its been around for a long time, the basics of mans thinking' havent evoled or changed.

in Bold again. and in my opinion.

Phil

 

[Phil]

yet again you say its an add on , and since we all know the bible has been written a 10000 times then anyone couldve added that " dont believe it " part , i know that in the original coptic bible here in egypt it says there will be an honest prophet , opposite to what you say , different entity , over and out

im sorry that offended you but it is, an add on that contradicts everything that the book it was added to teaches!

they did a good job in adding in those verse that say that nothing is to be added loll! cause its in the dead sea scrolls! and in revelation! if thats what your suggesting? its an inexplicable feat?

and for frankies interest, as i think he mentioned earlier that none of the originals still exist?? the dead sea scrolls are still in existance. if you care to learn greek hebrew or aramaic!

as for me im off to bed. 8/9 pages boyso we are doing same chattin. 3am here lol

Phil

 

[Phil]

Yes but you could still have the same argument about the other religious texts created since. if they were all created at the exact point in time across the world and all looked 100% idendical then you may have a point. but the fact is they were not.

the religious text since....dont tie in, the entire Bible speaks of the Son of God, all the added bits deny that, that is who he was. fundemental problem.

all these other things were written by one man, they have nothing to tie in to! and they still even manage to contradict themselves!

that wouldnt be a great book, 60 books all the same? genesis 1-60? that wouldnt give the full picture would it?

Phil

 

[gv1.3]

I think to say something along the lines of "there are a couple of missing pieces so I wont accept that" is a little bit hypocrtical given how many gaps there are in the bible and how vague it is - personally I think it is intentionaly vague so that it can be made fit various different scenarios depending on how history pans out.

I see what you are saying about the past hundred years being more a time of learning than evolving but I would see the development of technology as a form of evolution. It only stands to reason that when a species has sufficiently evolved to the point of being in danger only from itself the process of physical evolution will slow and technological evolution will speed up. Evolution served a purpose and it so happens that man came out on top as the dominant species.

The earth being flat comment was made to indicate how outdated I personally believe denial of the theory of evolution is.

If we take the bible's word for it god created man in his own likeness what was god doing prior to creating man? Like with the dinosaurs etc... was he just having a bit of fun and then decided we dont need dinosaurs anymore lets make some people?

Also the fact that people who practice religion always seem to say "he will be judged after this world" etc... thats kind of very conveinient. So people are supposed to believe that the like of Ted Bundy is put on this earth created in the image of god he then tortures and murders innocent people and god decides "sure just let him continue... Ill get him when he dies" ... tell that to the parents of these people who have been butchered.

I dont think "he will be judged by god when his time comes" is going to offer much solice. When I think of the story of Jesus dying on the cross etc I again cant help but think there have been far more brutal deaths of innocent people in the world than that and they dont get praised - we are constantly told god gave up his son for us.. many people have had their children die are they classed as a god? - is giving up your child enough proff that you are infact god?

The fact that people say "people who do evil will be judged after they die" is as rediculous sounding to me as a suicide bomber thinking they will be going to a special place after they die.

Also not so long ago one could pay a sum to the church and get a direct line to heaven... so if I have any concerns in the future that I might be going to hell Ill just dig deep and hand over some cash.

 

[GTnomez]

y'all need to watch a film called 'The Message' depics the story of the way islam. even the movie 300 copied it!!

ive had one too many bad expriences with my friends of known since i was a baby and it came to a point where i turned to religion for guidance, since ive started practising i have lost so many friends as they commit too muh sin for me to be around them but yet i have better'd myself as i have so much more respect for anyone i meet regardless of how they are to me. alot of muslims get their own religion mixed up as they are misguided, this is where all the diferent sects come from. at the end of the day we all have eyes, lungs, a heart etc but we just think diferent but that dont mean we are diferent.

a true muslim is a muslim that prepares for death........

 

[GTnomez]

Also the fact that people who practice religion always seem to say "he will be judged after this world" etc... thats kind of very conveinient. So people are supposed to believe that the like of Ted Bundy is put on this earth created in the image of god he then tortures and murders innocent people and god decides "sure just let him continue... Ill get him when he dies" ... tell that to the parents of these people who have been butchered.

I dont think "he will be judged by god when his time comes" is going to offer much solice. When I think of the story of Jesus dying on the cross etc I again cant help but think there have been far more brutal deaths of innocent people in the world than that and they dont get praised - we are constantly told god gave up his son for us.. many people have had their children die are they classed as a god? - is giving up your child enough proff that you are infact god?

The fact that people say "people who do evil will be judged after they die" is as rediculous sounding to me as a suicide bomber thinking they will be going to a special place after they die.

Also not so long ago one could pay a sum to the church and get a direct line to heaven... so if I have any concerns in the future that I might be going to hell Ill just dig deep and hand over some cash.

our lives, well my life has already been written, the choices i make arent really choices, its may seem that i have chosen to go right instead of left but this was already written for me, its just the power of God. if some1 i knew was killed then obviously i would grieve and be angry and think why? but it was their time to go, simple as that and its just makes me think that i could go anytime which is why i need to rid myself of sin and and practise so i have no excuse when im judged. i know saying 'he will be judged' isnt much closure at all but its one of those things that are out of our hands.

As for the suicide bombers, they are the people as stated above that are misguided by their own religion, its when diferent sect misinterpret the Holy Book for their own doing which they will see the full extent of in the hereafter. its just common sense that you should not take anothers life, its just muslims who's deen (faith) is weak and they are easily influenced (brainwashed) in commiting these crime. theres no excuse for any of evil events that occur but we are responsible for our undoing

 

[Franza1]

its just muslims who's deen (faith) is weak and they are easily influenced (brainwashed) in commiting these crime. theres no excuse for any of evil events that occur but we are responsible for our undoing

Then how can you explain the Crusades which were carried out in the Christian name?