Phil
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I think to say something along the lines of "there are a couple of missing pieces so I wont accept that" is a little bit hypocrtical given how many gaps there are in the bible and how vague it is - personally I think it is intentionaly vague so that it can be made fit various different scenarios depending on how history pans out.
you arent going to believe thisbut i dont see a part of the bible thats vague, its so indepth and precise that if you add up through the old testament, would have known that Jesus had to be the Messiah. yet he was rejected. infact the bible is so indepth that id be 100% certain that no1 in the thread so far has read it all. not matter what way history gets to the point of armagedden, it will get there, there is only one fundemental scenario
and i have my evolution through education and ive seen the "fossil Records" all of which are fully ape fully extinct ape or fully man (or in plenty of cases scientists felt the need to produces fakes to help there arguement but they didnt last long) so the gaps arent small in my opinion, there is no beginning.
I see what you are saying about the past hundred years being more a time of learning than evolving but I would see the development of technology as a form of evolution. It only stands to reason that when a species has sufficiently evolved to the point of being in danger only from itself the process of physical evolution will slow and technological evolution will speed up. Evolution served a purpose and it so happens that man came out on top as the dominant species.
The earth being flat comment was made to indicate how outdated I personally believe denial of the theory of evolution is.
dead on, i was just taking the opportunity to point out that Gods word had already made it fairly clear that the earth was round, when men still prayed to him that they wouldnt fall off the end of the earth.
If we take the bible's word for it god created man in his own likeness what was god doing prior to creating man? Like with the dinosaurs etc... was he just having a bit of fun and then decided we dont need dinosaurs anymore lets make some people?
prior to creating man, he was creating the earth, and as for the Dinosaurs he could well have been having fun, or maybe it was deforestation on a smaller scale when man wasnt there to do it.
Also the fact that people who practice religion always seem to say "he will be judged after this world" etc... thats kind of very conveinient. So people are supposed to believe that the like of Ted Bundy is put on this earth created in the image of god he then tortures and murders innocent people and god decides "sure just let him continue... Ill get him when he dies" ... tell that to the parents of these people who have been butchered.
I dont think "he will be judged by god when his time comes" is going to offer much solice. When I think of the story of Jesus dying on the cross etc I again cant help but think there have been far more brutal deaths of innocent people in the world than that and they dont get praised - we are constantly told god gave up his son for us.. many people have had their children die are they classed as a god? - is giving up your child enough proff that you are infact god?
more brutal deaths im not sure, he was more marred than any man, but that was just man doing his worst, no other man has been Judged by God before they die Jesus was Judged of God on the Cross in the Darkness.
well the peolpe of that day said surely this is the Son of God, not his followers, the people who had to Kill him.
then about thats handy, not being judged till after you die/ted bundy etc.
science would make more sense? no judgement? do what you like as long as you dont get caught and can live with your God given Guilt(for every man has a knowledge of good and evil) tell that to the famiies of the butchered.
mercy is offered to All men for all have sinned, justice is given
The fact that people say "people who do evil will be judged after they die" is as rediculous sounding to me as a suicide bomber thinking they will be going to a special place after they die.
think about what you just said, ? which is more ridiculous
a)live well trust christ and you can get to heaven tell others that you love that they too can come to heaven
b)polictically driven, blow up the enemy(innocent people) and you will be rewarded.
im not sayin that b) is what the quran teaches, just how you've suggested some people interpret it. which is true.
Also not so long ago one could pay a sum to the church and get a direct line to heaven... so if I have any concerns in the future that I might be going to hell Ill just dig deep and hand over some cash.
no1 who paid a (large or small) sum of money to get to heaven ever made it to heaven, they were ill-informed by greedy men in the catholic church, "it would be easier for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle than for a rich(/paying) man to get into heaven" you dont seem to have any concerns for the future, but if you do money is something that wont sort it
Phil
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