4EFTE Vs B16A2

[trd-1992]

Can you read did i mention toyota in that sentance, the 4efte/4efe is a reliable engine if its left alone, when you go putting up the boost it gets soft, take a look at all the rally boys crying out for 1300 suzuki GTI engines and spending 10K to get 180Bhp out of them you have to ask yourself why arent they using a 4efe, E can LOL all e want but i ve been through it all and my buddy has his EK9 type R a year and all that went in it was the distributor.

lol where did you get this info ct9 failed alot in what way

Them blowing odviously in what way do you think, If you haven t seen a F**Ked CT9 i ve 2 at home if you want them.

 

[Deano]

Can tell you one thing those vtec motors are a hell of alot more unreliable than a 4age I have heard of a b16a crapping out at about 110,000 km's I have a mate that has a 4age with over 400,000 km's on it no problems ct9's will only crap out if the boost level has been raised to high or lack of maintenance they use 4ages in racecars coz they are strong reliable and I have been told the strongest engines in the world by an engine wholesaler as well as an engine builder. Turn the boost up on a turbo vtec and goodbye engine lol. The reliabilty surveys that come out always go Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Honda

 

[SaRfI]

Can you read did i mention toyota in that sentance, the 4efte/4efe is a reliable engine if its left alone,

well obviously if you leave 4efte with some chav off course its gona get f**ked up .here lads mode up the cars properly and their car are running fine not a damm single mess up i guess chavs need to learn how to mode the cars properly

my buddy has his EK9 type R a year and all that went in it was the distributor.

what the hell type r has got to do with this thread :homer: thats other day work.

Them blowing odviously in what way do you think, If you haven t seen a F**Ked CT9 i ve 2 at home if you want them.

blowing turbo is not some thing which happen by taking it the car for spin ..its not poor ct9 fault if your trying to use it as you got td04 :homer:

 

[riko666]

VTEC - most overhyped pile of crap ever

Do you see people going "Hey, my car has Mivec/NVCS/VVTI/Variocam/Vanos, my car is faster than j00!", no, cause all it is Variable Camshaft Timing....something most cars use today, not so they can cry out "OMGWTF, I'm in MIVAKKKKK!!", no, so it fattens a torque curve.

Why-oh-why do Honda boys think it's a miracle device that gives mind-bending power capabilities? Newsflash, it doesn't, your cars aren't the only ones that have it. The only thing a B-Series has is a very good naturally aspirated base engine, one that thrives on revs...and that needs to be thrashed to get anywhere, which most driver's will inevitably do as the urge to go into VTAKKKK is just too great...so in reality, you may find the B-Series to be less reliable as well...there is a stigma to the driver's of such vehicles isn't there? The 4EFTE, like most turbo cars, is lazy, you have a fat wad of torque begin at 2000rpm which lasts till around 5500rpm...pretty much where you want it, any exploits beyond 5000rpm are fruitless.

 

[Deano]

Good on ya Riko mate spot on that needed to be said for ages lol don't hear people saying mivec just kicked in yo or neo just kicked in or even vvt just kicked in usually people that drive accord vtecs are young hoons with the hat back to front lol My dads vitz rs has vvti lots of cars nowdays have vvti

 

[SaRfI]

Good on ya Riko mate spot on that needed to be said for ages lol don't hear people saying mivec just kicked in yo or neo just kicked in or even vvt just kicked in usually people that drive accord vtecs are young hoons with the hat back to front lol My dads vitz rs has vvti lots of cars nowdays have vvti

are ya on to me you mad thing i dont wear a hat back to front and dont shout vetch VTECH ...

 

[SaRfI]

VTEC - most overhyped pile of crap ever

Do you see people going "Hey, my car has Mivec/NVCS/VVTI/Variocam/Vanos, my car is faster than j00!", no, cause all it is Variable Camshaft Timing....something most cars use today, not so they can cry out "OMGWTF, I'm in MIVAKKKKK!!", no, so it fattens a torque curve.

Why-oh-why do Honda boys think it's a miracle device that gives mind-bending power capabilities? Newsflash, it doesn't, your cars aren't the only ones that have it. The only thing a B-Series has is a very good naturally aspirated base engine, one that thrives on revs...and that needs to be thrashed to get anywhere, which most driver's will inevitably do as the urge to go into VTAKKKK is just too great...so in reality, you may find the B-Series to be less reliable as well...there is a stigma to the driver's of such vehicles isn't there? The 4EFTE, like most turbo cars, is lazy, you have a fat wad of torque begin at 2000rpm which lasts till around 5500rpm...pretty much where you want it, any exploits beyond 5000rpm are fruitless.

good points man you WIN :gt-smilie:

 

[SaRfI]

Good on ya Riko mate spot on that needed to be said for ages lol don't hear people saying mivec just kicked in yo or neo just kicked in or even vvt just kicked in usually people that drive accord vtecs are young hoons with the hat back to front lol My dads vitz rs has vvti lots of cars nowdays have vvti

b16 does'nt come in accord ...how many time have you see young lads driving accords excluding me but im sensible c*** ever

usually people that drive accord vtecs are young hoons with the hat back to front

nope its usually people who drive "AUTO" standard starbo and street racing and giving other starbo owners a bad name .

 

[Deano]

First of all don't mock auto starlets they have just as much potential as a manual 2nd of all I never said an accord has a b16a it has a h22 engine and third of all I don't race it's dangerous, bloody stupid and you can lose your licence if you get 100 demerit points you even get a fine if you watch illegal street racing on the street i'm told and my car ain't stock will get some pics up to shut up the haters nz is full of ricer boy racer accords people only say my car is stock coz they have never seen it so don't assume you know what your talking about when your talking s**t you don't know me or my car or what it looks like so shutup calling my car stock is an insult I have spent over $3000 on that car so far I didn't mean all accord owners wear their hats back to front only the ricer ones with the fartcan exhaust and the huge as subs

 

[Toplap]

VTEC - most overhyped pile of crap ever

Do you see people going "Hey, my car has Mivec/NVCS/VVTI/Variocam/Vanos, my car is faster than j00!", no, cause all it is Variable Camshaft Timing....something most cars use today, not so they can cry out "OMGWTF, I'm in MIVAKKKKK!!", no, so it fattens a torque curve.

Why-oh-why do Honda boys think it's a miracle device that gives mind-bending power capabilities? Newsflash, it doesn't, your cars aren't the only ones that have it. The only thing a B-Series has is a very good naturally aspirated base engine, one that thrives on revs...and that needs to be thrashed to get anywhere, which most driver's will inevitably do as the urge to go into VTAKKKK is just too great...so in reality, you may find the B-Series to be less reliable as well...there is a stigma to the driver's of such vehicles isn't there? The 4EFTE, like most turbo cars, is lazy, you have a fat wad of torque begin at 2000rpm which lasts till around 5500rpm...pretty much where you want it, any exploits beyond 5000rpm are fruitless.

lololol i own one and i agree with you

 

[trd-1992]

well obviously if you leave 4efte with some chav off course its gona get f**ked up .here lads mode up the cars properly and their car are running fine not a damm single mess up i guess chavs need to learn how to mode the cars properly

Well thats the reality alot of chavs and young people drive these cars and thrash them to death and boost them as much as they can and its the same with the b16 only it can take the punishment, A majority of performance hatchbacks under 1.6 have been thrashed, this thread should be 4AGE/4AGZE vs B16, 4AGE/4AGZE all the way.

what the hell type r has got to do with this thread :homer: thats other day work.

Well it has a B16b which is based on the same block and i don t know anyone with a B16A2, just letting you know the reliabilty the B16 has, Still wouldn t buy a honda though.

 

[Deano]

The 4age engine is more stronger then the vtec engine everytime don't know of any vtecs with over 400,000 km's that are still going and if they have would have been rebuilt only problem on my 4age was the alternator

 

[trd-1992]

The 4age engine is more stronger then the vtec engine everytime don't know of any vtecs with over 400,000 km's that are still going and if they have would have been rebuilt only problem on my 4age was the alternator

Very true, the torque figures is what leaves the B16 down, look at fensport they seem to have alot of time for the 4AGE and they have built some impressive cars.

 

[HYBRID]

With the same argument ... give the same boost on a starlet on the same turbo and see who's fastest. My mate running 7psi on his turbo on a teg did a 12.4 without any problems and with all the interior inside.

exactly my point dan.. they have the advantage of a higher cr & much higher revving engine.. so havin a t3/t4 turbo on a b16 or b18 gives impressive results to say the least..

 

[R33f]

I asked this in another post, what do you have to do to a starlet/glanza to get 200bhp out of it? and roughly how much would it cost compared to the vti?

 

[siilversurfer_69]

i tell ya what lads come and work with me for a week at vauxhall then you will agree that they are both good engines

 

[trd-1992]

i tell ya what lads come and work with me for a week at vauxhall then you will agree that they are both good engines

lol

 

[Rory]

Gona have to disagree.
The vtec system was designed in the 80's, where was everyone else..... oh thats right, way behind.

Most variable valve systems on todays cars are focused more on economy.
Were on about reliability here, wheres your car? As far as i know its off the road,just like mine. Wheres the reliabilty?

Honda are not car builders, there engine builders. How can anyone question them?
The VTEC system has never had a warrenty claim against it, thats been about 18 years!! What other engine managed to get 100hp per litre, without going super cars here?
This 4age engine, why does people not use this engine, if its more reliable, in the likes of kit cars, engine conversions?

Finally though, People who think that there shit engines, really need to open there mind, and think about the engineering involved to make such a great engine, all people think about is out and out horse power, thats just not the case.

Im not falling out with anyone over this, but seriously people need to think outwith the box.

VTEC - most overhyped pile of crap ever

Do you see people going "Hey, my car has Mivec/NVCS/VVTI/Variocam/Vanos, my car is faster than j00!", no, cause all it is Variable Camshaft Timing....something most cars use today, not so they can cry out "OMGWTF, I'm in MIVAKKKKK!!", no, so it fattens a torque curve.

Why-oh-why do Honda boys think it's a miracle device that gives mind-bending power capabilities? Newsflash, it doesn't, your cars aren't the only ones that have it. The only thing a B-Series has is a very good naturally aspirated base engine, one that thrives on revs...and that needs to be thrashed to get anywhere, which most driver's will inevitably do as the urge to go into VTAKKKK is just too great...so in reality, you may find the B-Series to be less reliable as well...there is a stigma to the driver's of such vehicles isn't there? The 4EFTE, like most turbo cars, is lazy, you have a fat wad of torque begin at 2000rpm which lasts till around 5500rpm...pretty much where you want it, any exploits beyond 5000rpm are fruitless.

 

[trd-1992]

This 4age engine, why does people not use this engine, if its more reliable, in the likes of kit cars, engine conversions?

Alot of rally cars use them back in Ireland there was an engine builder down my way that could very good BHP and reliability from them, His engines were winning the 1600 class alot, Theirs a MK2 rally car in cork with a 20Valve engine and getting good results.

 

[riko666]

Gona have to disagree.
The vtec system was designed in the 80's, where was everyone else..... oh thats right, way behind.

Most variable valve systems on todays cars are focused more on economy.
Were on about reliability here, wheres your car? As far as i know its off the road,just like mine. Wheres the reliabilty?

Honda are not car builders, there engine builders. How can anyone question them?
The VTEC system has never had a warrenty claim against it, thats been about 18 years!! What other engine managed to get 100hp per litre, without going super cars here?
This 4age engine, why does people not use this engine, if its more reliable, in the likes of kit cars, engine conversions?

Finally though, People who think that there shit engines, really need to open there mind, and think about the engineering involved to make such a great engine, all people think about is out and out horse power, thats just not the case.

Im not falling out with anyone over this, but seriously people need to think outwith the box.

Wasn't condeming the VTEC system itself, just the fact that's it so overhyped chap, don't get me wrong - I know of Honda's history, I know they take pride in the fact that their engines are lightly detuned "race" engines, I know all that...but the fact of the matter is that the User's of Honda's cars, not Honda themselves (I have yet to see an ad Claiming "Vtec - it's what makes us fast!) just hype up the VTEC system to the point of lunacy

Where's my car? It's not off the road, but good attempt at a lowblow...it was the 5efhe that let me down, not the 4efte . As for cars that produce 100bhp/liter...well...you drive one, 133bhp in a 1332cc engine...Let's not try to get pots at people, it's not the point of this discussion. In no way have I condemned the Honda Engines, the Vtec System or their reliability...I think people that take pride in something will fail to read answers in the right context. What I was saying is that there is SUCH a stigma with VTEC - people think it adds so much power, that it's a unique system no other car manufacturer knows about, that it is superior to anything out there. It...well...just isn't. Everyone does Variable Valve Timing now, mostly economy minded, but the VVTi in the 4A-GE's, 2ZZGE's etc, are certainly not. I couldn't see Lotus choosing the 2ZZGE on grounds that the Variable Valve Timing system would make the Elise/Exige an Economical car.

4A-GE is a very common Kitcar engine by the way, the only reason they wouldn't be used AS much is that they are so expensive in the first place. Truth be told, the 4A-GE's, if not Better than the B-series engines, are JUST as good. The point I tried getting at is, fair do's, Honda probably brought Variable Valve Timing to the mainstream before anyone else...but, who really cares? The way most people make it out is that Vtec is akin to having Umpteen horsepower come on at Vtakkkkkkk point, sending them flying! Come on, be realistic for a moment, just how much extra "oomph" can switching camshaft profiles TRULY provide? I've felt "Vtec" before, maybe my flatmate's car is a poor example, but Vtec just sounded like the exhaust got louder, and not much else. Shit engines? I've never mentioned that - I DID mention though that most Honda users thrash their engines as "it's what the engine enjoys", and as a result, it could make the engine unreliable. Oh, it's not limited to Honda users...the number of times I hear of people changing at 7---rpm on their 4EFTE's...why? Trying to PURPOSEFULLY blow your engine up? Anything after 5500-6000rpm for a gearchange is fruitless.

And Honda aren't the only Engine people around...the 4A-GE was widely used in motorsports for example, and was even available in Race Trim (Atlantic Race Series Spec) and not saying this personally, but I've read that the VVTi in the 4A-GE's were somewhat more effective in providing a greater increase on the camshaft switch point, but as a result, it's an engine that needs to be Thrashed to produce any meaningful forward momentum. The 4A-GE also had many trick features, of which I'd need to read up again, but nevertheless, trick "racing derived" features

Please don't take offense Rory, you are a very decent chap and have helped me in the past, I just like discussions and getting a point across, and I feel you have misinterpreted what I said.