4EFTE Vs B16A2

[SaRfI]

Well thats the reality alot of chavs and young people drive these cars and thrash them to death and boost them as much as they can and its the same with the b16 only it can take the punishment, A majority of performance hatchbacks under 1.6 have been thrashed, this thread should be 4AGE/4AGZE vs B16, 4AGE/4AGZE all the way.

lol its nice to see you agreed with some thing ...

Well it has a B16b which is based on the same block .

oh yes they have same block but i very doubt it has same internals and excact same managment system as the b16A ... mate its not same thing its a whole diffrent world ...<<<type r

 

[SaRfI]

First of all don't mock auto starlets

lol just kiddin ...no offence

l 2nd of all I never said an accord has a b16a it has a h22 engine

yes you never said but i didnt say you said that accord has b16a just read it proper all i meant was why the hell you were changing topic. this thread isnt about accord its about 4EFTE Vs B16A2 :homer:

and third of all I don't race it's dangerous, bloody stupid and you can lose your licence

what about you claimming beating this car and this.. on the forum :homer:

i'm told and my car ain't stock will get some pics up to shut up the haters

first off all i only said your car is stock how come am i hater ?? and yes do get the pic up how hard is it to get the pic wating**

nz is full of ricer boy racer accords

Damm the boy racers must have a deep pockets ..they can afford accord

people only say my car is stock coz they have never seen it

yes man show them people the pic and release the big spec list :ep91:

when your talking s**t you don't know me or my car or what it looks like so shutup calling my car stock is an insult I have spent over $3000

well if your car aint stock then why are you getting real :flame: piss when people say its stock ..yes i havent seen ya car why dont you put the spec list and shut people like Me ...AND aM i talking shit :homer:

 

[pc18]

As for over hyping the vtec systems i find its more other people that always go on about it, vtec yo ect. If they manage to spell it right.
i wish i was around when the first vtec engine came out (the integra xsi i think) to see the looks on peoples faces.

Those people that dislike the b series i challenge you to take a crx for a test drive (a mk2 not the girly delsol) there great fun. i had mine for a little over 18 months i think and as for reliability, i think the only thing that went wrong was the radiator.

 

[Deano]

I don't claim to beat them get in front of them at the traffic lights to the legal speed limit only do that so I can get into the lane first i'm getting some rare optional recaros tomorrow something you don't probably have and a rear strutbrace

 

[ek4VTi]

B16b and B16a2 are NOT the same block. B16b is a destroked b18c5 from an Integra Type R.

And if you dont think vtec makes a difference in power then drive a b16 with vtec and then drive it with vtec disabled and then tell me the difference....

Its not about a sudden increase in power (like a turbo) its about making torque in a higher rpm which makes more HP. And some people say a flat torque curve is a bad thing. You get wheel spin in a fwd car by a sudden increase in torque (big turbos) but if the curve is flat, then you get smooth acceleration with less wheel spin.

Im not saying the b16 couldn't do with some more low down grunt but both these engines have their advantages.

Also higher reving = shorter gearing = more power to the wheels.

 

[SaRfI]

I don't claim to beat them get in front of them at the traffic lights to the legal speed limit

ahh shruuup you always are on my auto glanza beat this and that ..

i'm getting some rare optional recaros tomorrow something you don't probably have

ahh isnt this the best investemt lol you can get recaoros from most jap car into starbo ....and yes they dont cost millions

and if i was you i would rather spend on performance ....

rare optional recaros

 

[SaRfI]

B16b and B16a2 are NOT the same block. B16b is a destroked b18c5 from an Integra Type R.

cheers for info

And if you dont think vtec makes a difference in power then drive a b16 with vtec and then drive it with vtec disabled and then tell me the difference....

soo as the mivec and what about ford boys zetech

Also higher reving = shorter gearing = more power to the wheels.

why would you need to rev the fcuk out of car just to get it going....i just dont get this

 

[Deano]

A vtec engine thrives on high revs thats why you have to thrash the shit outta of to get it to go anywhere saw a saying on urbandictionary that said Vtec= Virtually Torqueless Economy Cars lol

 

[FeNder]

LOL , indeed torqueless , thats what puts me off it , a car like the s2000 , 240 bhp and 150 ft torque , what a difference !

 

[Deano]

Found this on urbandictionary too

Vtec:

A term for Honda's valve timing system on most of their cars. Unfortunatly, it does not kick in until higher RPMs, thereby essetially doing nothing for acceleration. It's a poor excuse for losers in drag races.

I forgot to turn on my VTEC. *switches on foglights*

Vtec

The so-called shit end of the stick that Honda uses instead of the much better design by Toyota Motor Corporation called VVT-i or (Variable-Valve-Timing with Intelligence), so this must mean Honda isn't very smart right... It is nothing in the same, Honda motor corporation was very inventive to make an electronic device that takes the cars stock baseline of 130whp/ 144 ft/lbs, and from 7,995rpm, all the way to the shiftpoint at 7,996rpm a whopping 6,000hp, and 4,000 ft/lbs. The power comes on so fast it is expelled as a whining/hissing noise that can be heard for miles with almost no increase in wheel horsepower or torque. Very inventive on the low hood profile on most new model (2007-2008) Vtec cars with modern aerodynamics a must for fuel economy, but oh wait, the frickin windshield is 6 foot tall and flat, must be why you can't tell the Vtec kicks in. Well I guess the drivers of these Hondas can tell when Vtec kicks in, but I can't as I pass them in my 1994 Toyota Camry Station Wagon with a 3.0 V6 with almost 200k miles on it. Once again GOOD JOB HONDA!!! OH wait, my stihl chainsaw must have Vtec as well, I think it just kicked in, oh wait nope, it's got too much power through the ENTIRE POWERBAND!!!

Lol I love that site so funny

 

[Rory]

Wasn't condeming the VTEC system itself, just the fact that's it so overhyped chap, don't get me wrong - I know of Honda's history, I know they take pride in the fact that their engines are lightly detuned "race" engines, I know all that...but the fact of the matter is that the User's of Honda's cars, not Honda themselves (I have yet to see an ad Claiming "Vtec - it's what makes us fast!) just hype up the VTEC system to the point of lunacy

Where's my car? It's not off the road, but good attempt at a lowblow...it was the 5efhe that let me down, not the 4efte . As for cars that produce 100bhp/liter...well...you drive one, 133bhp in a 1332cc engine...Let's not try to get pots at people, it's not the point of this discussion. In no way have I condemned the Honda Engines, the Vtec System or their reliability...I think people that take pride in something will fail to read answers in the right context. What I was saying is that there is SUCH a stigma with VTEC - people think it adds so much power, that it's a unique system no other car manufacturer knows about, that it is superior to anything out there. It...well...just isn't. Everyone does Variable Valve Timing now, mostly economy minded, but the VVTi in the 4A-GE's, 2ZZGE's etc, are certainly not. I couldn't see Lotus choosing the 2ZZGE on grounds that the Variable Valve Timing system would make the Elise/Exige an Economical car.

4A-GE is a very common Kitcar engine by the way, the only reason they wouldn't be used AS much is that they are so expensive in the first place. Truth be told, the 4A-GE's, if not Better than the B-series engines, are JUST as good. The point I tried getting at is, fair do's, Honda probably brought Variable Valve Timing to the mainstream before anyone else...but, who really cares? The way most people make it out is that Vtec is akin to having Umpteen horsepower come on at Vtakkkkkkk point, sending them flying! Come on, be realistic for a moment, just how much extra "oomph" can switching camshaft profiles TRULY provide? I've felt "Vtec" before, maybe my flatmate's car is a poor example, but Vtec just sounded like the exhaust got louder, and not much else. Shit engines? I've never mentioned that - I DID mention though that most Honda users thrash their engines as "it's what the engine enjoys", and as a result, it could make the engine unreliable. Oh, it's not limited to Honda users...the number of times I hear of people changing at 7---rpm on their 4EFTE's...why? Trying to PURPOSEFULLY blow your engine up? Anything after 5500-6000rpm for a gearchange is fruitless.

And Honda aren't the only Engine people around...the 4A-GE was widely used in motorsports for example, and was even available in Race Trim (Atlantic Race Series Spec) and not saying this personally, but I've read that the VVTi in the 4A-GE's were somewhat more effective in providing a greater increase on the camshaft switch point, but as a result, it's an engine that needs to be Thrashed to produce any meaningful forward momentum. The 4A-GE also had many trick features, of which I'd need to read up again, but nevertheless, trick "racing derived" features

Please don't take offense Rory, you are a very decent chap and have helped me in the past, I just like discussions and getting a point across, and I feel you have misinterpreted what I said.

No offence taken Riko.
We have our diffirent opinions on the matter, which is more than fair enough.
With that said, everyone has there own opinions, which there entiitled (sp) to.

 

[Gee]

Unless you have huge displacement, torque is alway going to be down on a N/A engine. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but was Vtec not invented in for economy? Good economy for town driving/keeping out of Vtec range and then when blasting, Vtec for more performance?

Why are we even comparing a 1.3 turbo to a 1.6 N/A? Totally different...

 

[ek4VTi]

Yep Gee is right.

I know its different but F1 cars only have what, 2.5l engines? So are they upset about not having a lot of torque? Same with bikes.

The only way to get more torque is forced induction, bigger engine or more cylinders.

From wikipedia:

The power a Formula One engine produces is generated by operating at a very high rotational speed, up to 20,000 revolutions per minute (RPM). This contrasts with road car engines of a similar size which operate safely at typically less than 7,000 rpm. However, the torque (turning force at a given speed) of a Formula One engine is not much higher than a conventional petrol engine. For example, the 2006 2.4 litre Toyota RVX-06 V8 engine produces 552 kW (740 bhp, 751 PS) at 19,000 rpm and outputs 274 N·m (202 ft·lbf) of torque giving the engine a 14.3 bar (1.43 MPa) mean effective pressure.


So all vtec does is let you rev higher which is a good way of getting more power out of the same size engine.

 

[SaRfI]

As for over hyping the vtec systems i find its more other people that always go on about it, vtec yo ect. If they manage to spell it right.

are you referring to me ..it Doesn't matter how you say it vtech or vtec or vtac its still going to be same shitter device which put smile on honda head :homer:

i guess no sense there sense

Those people that dislike the b series i challenge you to take a crx for a test drive (a mk2 not the girly delsol) there great fun. i had mine for a little over 18 months i think and as for reliability, i think the only thing that went wrong was the radiator.

well i dont dislike the b series so...wat if it work well for you reliability wise it Doesn't mean its gona be same for every one . i know loads of lads who owns vtac civics and mostly few of emm have same cooling problem they always bang on

 

[SaRfI]

back on to topic lads

 

[Deano]

Lmao at those pics

 

[Deano]

Honda wasn't really the first one to bring anything variable to the engine it was Toyota with the TVIS- Toyota Variable Induction System it opened a set of butterflies in the throttle body giving it more power in the low and midrange it was found on the 1983 trueno/levin as well as the later fx-gt models and levin models it was discontinued in May 1989 when they bought out a smallport engine which eliminated the need for tvis it was faster and had 100 kw compared to the bigport fxgt/levin ae92 bigports 92 kw .Sure tvis is different to vtec but Toyota thought of it first imo. here is some info about tvis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-VIS