6 Years Today

[Adam_Glanza]

at the end of the day there where a number of different reasons why 9/11 happened, and the full truth we shall never probably no.

but its obvious it isnt just as clear as everyone thinks there was alot of plotting to do with it behind the scenes. people have been played all over the place especially the "extremists".

all we can do is look back and rest in peace to everyone that was murdered.

 

[riko666]

religion is an excuse the terrorists use, as they know there's always going to be such conflicting ideals...People that try to pin down on a single religion as a cause of all the Terrorist Acts are just achieving what terrorists want...a reason for their "war"...

I would delve further, but still haven't finished my coffee...it's hard to stop me on deep issues

 

[Phil]

Guess we need a Religion Section or something, this is all very interesting so long as you ignore the aggro..

LOL

 

[www.glanza.co.uk]

I'm surprised this one hasn't been binned/cleaned...

At the moment, it's just people expressing their views... If anyone starts hurling insults, then it'll be a different story...

 

[Phil]

religion is an excuse the terrorists use

dont think so, i live in N.I and terrorism was riff in days not so distant,

But Next to no1 gives their life WILLINGLY for a terrorist cause, some may i know but mostly its unheard of,

for example, why plant a bomb when u could just run about on a rampage with a machine gun?

Because
Bomb = at worst prison
Rampage = shot by the police.

so terrorist use bombs or use guerrilla style tactics to attack in positions with no thought for defending to the death but with full intent on escaping.

now add in religion and
you have people queuing for the go ahead to give there life. a bus bomber kills 20 people and himself, because he is convinced its benificial to his next life.

 

[HYBRID]

At the moment, it's just people expressing their views... If anyone starts hurling insults, then it'll be a different story...

Ditto!! 1 wrong move & the offender/s will have a lovely card added t their name!

 

[Adam_Glanza]

yes they all think that by killing themselves it makes allah happy and they will get put into the best place in heaven or something lol

 

[Phil]

if anyone thinks im hurling abuse tell me,

im just stating things as they appear to me.
@adam glanza, so it seems, but your LOL may be gauged as mocking people of this belief, so if your agreeing with me remember ive nothing against what these people believe, just against what actions that seems to encourage.

 

[scotty12347]

the most tragic day of any of our lifetimes. RIP to all involved and all that were dragged into it as a result of the event.

to be honest from an atheists point of view if religion didnt exist we could expect an almost perfectly peaceful world.

 

[azerty]

I'm with those who think religion, politics and football shouldn't be discussed in a Public Car Forum.

I have very strong opinions on all this but will just keep them for me. To all of those who died. RIP

I'd like to see that topic closed. Thanks

 

[Franza1]

For all you conspiracy buffs out there :

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Dave

I watched that last night, interesting stuff, I'm mad for that sort of stuff and it does make a bit of since and b4 people say anything, I'm not strictly a Catholic/Christian, But I'm not atheist either, Organized religion just isn't for me, Believing something without question just isn't for me, I'm one of people who wants to know everything b4 i make my mind up.

R.I.P. Which ever way it happened, it still shouldn't have in the first place

 

[Phil]

no denying that this is a Public car forum,
but if i say want to talk about football politics or religion i think the chill out room is the place for it.
if you go to a football forum, people who support Arsenal Man U etc will head for those respective forums to talk to people who agree with them in principle. same with religion or politics.

but here we have a mix of veiws,
from conspiracy theories to beliefs or athesism. and as long as no1 is out to offend people surely we can all hear interesting(even if conflicting views) on the same subject?! without getting upset?

 

[Monkfish]

and as long as no1 is out to offend people surely we can all hear interesting(even if conflicting views) on the same subject?! without getting upset?

It's never as simple as that though. Having been a mod on a couple of forums, it's a pain in the tits to keep everyone happy. You could say something very simple and in your opinion, unoffensive, but someone could mis-read or mis-interperate your comment as being derogatory or offensive, and and argument always breaks out.

A lot of forums I'm on now ban discussions of a religious nature because of the reasons I gave in a previous post.

I agree with Azerty, either this thread needs to be put to sleep before it gets out of hand, or any comments relating to religion should be removed.

/2 pence

 

[Phil]

maybe your right.

R.I.P 9/11.

 

[jabran200]

Slay them wherver you find them

seek your enemies relentlessly

fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.

if you die or be slain in the cause of god, his forgiveness and his mercy would surely be better than all the riches.


of course you can intrepret this in different ways.

And you have translated the above yourself? or read the translation of the Qu'ran up to that point? I think not.

First of all read the verse before that and then you will understand why that it says that (but from past experience, you copy and pasted that from somewhere on the internet) but I will explain anyway that verse relates to how you must act in the state of war (continued from the previous verse) which is fine because its war thats what you do kill your enemy

I hate when people pick up one point and act like they know the whole story, take a second to read the The holy Qur'an and you will see it says nothing close to what you were trying to prove.

 

[Phil]

im not one for proving anything, that would be boring if some1 knew all the answers.

firstly
the verse before which quote?

secondly
im happy to be proven wrong, and no i havent read the whole qu'ran, i worked in a regilious book shop and read different bits and pieces, mostly bits i had pointed towards, actually by a muslim trying to make me understand what he believed was acceptable, im not trying to pretend i know the whole story,

but your accusing me off is twisting what your book means, im not

im sayin that these parts do exist and extremists all over the world including are own country twist them to encourage terrorism.

u could and probably are a perfectly rational man who has no intention of killing urself or others with you, BUT there ARE people FACT that use the same book and extract words and phrases to bring about terrorism.

 

[Phil]

last quote is
Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you

how does this one fit in? genuinly interested

and can u see im not saying the these bits are wrong period, but they can and have been USED to kill thousands. not leastly 9/11

 

[Dave.]

^me also, i hate things that are quoted out of context, but i'm interested in how this could be...

and uhm... "that verse relates to how you must act in the state of war" surely this is some kind of war by this stage?

I'm genuinely interested in the answers to these things...

 

[jabran200]

firstly im not one for proving anything, that would be boring if some1 knew all the answers.

firstly
the verse before which quote?

secondly
im happy to be proven wrong, and no i havent read the whole qu'ran, i worked in a regilious book shop and read different bits and pieces, mostly bits i had pointed towards, actually by a muslim trying to make me understand what he believed was acceptable, im not trying pretend i know the whole story,

but your accusing me off is twisting what your book means, im not

im sayin that these parts do exist and extremists all over the world including are own country twist them to encourage terrorism.

u could and probably are a perfectly rational man who has know intention of kill urself or others with you, BUT there ARE people FACT that use the same book and extract words and phrases to bring about terrorism.

"Slay them wherver you find them

seek your enemies relentlessly

fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.

if you die or be slain in the cause of god, his forgiveness and his mercy would surely be better than all the riches."

That above is a verse from the Qur'an and the verse directly before it is connected to it and this verse explains that when you are engaged in war that it is correct for you to kill the enemy (infidels).

I have read this quote many times online and people seem to gather the opinion that it means the average person walking down the street or doing their shopping.

I'm sorry if it sounded like i was accusing you but i was accusing those websites which have these verses taken out of context and have created their own opinions from.

And whoever was pointing towards this quote really should have pointed to the 2-3 verses before it as those explain that these verses are all rules to be followed during the act of war.

I'm just trying to clear up that meaning of the verse and theres lots more i should add but that would mean going in depth but i guess you get what I'm saying here.

Also before i wrap up anyone remember the dispatches episode about the mosques (cant remember the name of that episode)? Well channel 4 gave the entire 150hrs of footage to the metropolitan police that was taken in context and cut short into one single episode.

The police came to the conclusion that all the clips were taken into context and that there was nothing they could prosecute on. Now that goes to show how much the media tries to twist it.

 

[jabran200]

last quote is
Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you

how does this one fit in? genuinly interested

and can u see im not saying the these bits are wrong period, but they can and have been USED to kill thousands. not leastly 9/11

Well if you are in war are you not gonna seek your enemy? If you didn't you would in the end lose. There are many different words that is translated in but that is the general meaning of it.

@ dave, the war has to be declared it cant just happen, there are rules to be followed etc and is very long topic but if you do want to read up on it etc i can point you in the right direction and books you can possibly read.

well i have to really go to the shops so i might come back later on tonight.