Best Suspension Setup for Irish Roads??

gglavin

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Not everyones application is going to be the same. If you use your car as a daily drive most of the time and only do the odd trackday, then your more likely to want better comfort on the road than ultimate handling on the track.

Regardless of what suspension you go for, your still going to have the option of taking the car around a track. The last 5 trackdays I've done have been with standard shocks and Tein springs fitted, I still had fun. Your car isn't going to fall off the track just because you haven't got some expensive branded coilovers fitted to it.



are you sure , i was full sure that your car would fall off the track:p..........anyway shit suspension will get you in trouble on a track, iv heard of budget coilovers snapping, so if you do go on track there bud take it easy:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

but for people who want "fun" then standard suspension would be ok...i guess
 
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Phil

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gglavin, what suspension do you have?

would you be able to drive up a bumpy country road at the speed limit?
would you be annoyed when your top quality coilovers blew there seals and couldnt be rebuilt in the UK? i would be.

what we need is a coilover that is fast road orientated not track orientated, sounds like miesterR could sort this, just waiting to here what spring rates he'd be happy to offer with warrenty.

Phil
 

gglavin

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gglavin, what suspension do you have?

would you be able to drive up a bumpy country road at the speed limit?
would you be annoyed when your top quality coilovers blew there seals and couldnt be rebuilt in the UK? i would be.

what we need is a coilover that is fast road orientated not track orientated, sounds like miesterR could sort this, just waiting to here what spring rates he'd be happy to offer with warrenty.

Phil

cusco zero one & they are fine had them 4years & on the worst roads in the country & on track aswell. i would if it happened, but i wouldnt go with anything other than the best out there when it comes to my suspension, for obvious reasons. i paid a nice lump for them but have lasted this long & still wicked :p each to their own
 

MeisterR

Lifer
The "standard" spring rate for the MeisterR Zeta-R is Front: 5.0kg/mm, Rear: 4.0kg/mm.

The Zeta-R are designed for fast country road usage with enough adjustment for occasional track days usage.
From the testing and customer feedback, this specification will be compliant for fast road usage with great response.

The Zeta-R are firstly designed for fast road that are uneven and bumpy, but there are enough adjustment in the damper for track days. The reason for this is because most of us drive on the road, and do track days maybe 3-5 times a year if we are lucky. If you are going on a track day and want stiffer suspension, you can increase the damping of the damper to limit body roll. That is why the dampers have 32 damping adjustment as you can increase the damping (Compression and Rebound combined) to take advantage of the flat track surface on track day. If you want to stiffen it further, you can pre-load the springs.

As for "Ultimate" handling against Cusco, it depends on alot of things. Up to a certain degree, the Cusco will be better on the track because it was designed as a "Track" coilovers. However, what we find is that most customers actually get a better track time with slightly softer suspension setup because it help control the "slip angle" of the tyres by not overloading it too fast. Most of the customers use normal road tyres for track days, but if you are using Toyo R888 Semi Slick, then harder suspension will take advantage of the extra grip. You have to remember that suspension is only part of a car's setting, there are alot of other factors that are involved.

One major advantage of coilovers over springs/shock combo is the use of linear rate springs. Linear rate springs ensure weight transfer smoothly from one side of the car to the other, and therefore making weight transfer more predictable. This give a driver greater confidence to utilize the weight transfer of the car as you know the weight won't shift unexpectedly.

MeisterR Zeta-R will come with 1 year warranty, and we work on "replace" rather than "rebuild". New dampers will be around £80 after warranty, so you can replace all 4 damper on the car for £320. All warranty are also carried in the UK, and stock will be held in the UK. Therefore you won't have to wait months for things to get rebuild. I aim to provide all warranty service done within a week.
 

Texx

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MeisterR Zeta-R will come with 1 year warranty, and we work on "replace" rather than "rebuild". New dampers will be around £80 after warranty, so you can replace all 4 damper on the car for £320. All warranty are also carried in the UK, and stock will be held in the UK. Therefore you won't have to wait months for things to get rebuild. I aim to provide all warranty service done within a week.

I don't think you could argue with that. :)
 

Phil

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so 5kg front and 4kg rear.

how does that match up to the other brands availible?


Originally Posted by MeisterR
MeisterR Zeta-R will come with 1 year warranty, and we work on "replace" rather than "rebuild". New dampers will be around £80 after warranty, so you can replace all 4 damper on the car for £320. All warranty are also carried in the UK, and stock will be held in the UK. Therefore you won't have to wait months for things to get rebuild. I aim to provide all warranty service done within a week.

that sounds brilliant. i would be interested in the new year all being well. tempted to try 4kg front and 3kg rear if you could do that?

Phil
 

MeisterR

Lifer
One thing I thought I bring up.

The Tein SuperStreet is a single perch coilovers... and that mean its springs are normally "pre-loaded" because of the coilovers design.

Manufacturer will not design a single perch coilovers with a spring that can be adjusted to free length at its lowest setting for safety reason.
The springs normally will be longer than the perch and therefore it will always be pre-loaded.

This doesn't changes the springs rate in "theory", but it does firm up the suspension to a degree.
So when you see the Tein SuperStreet using 3/2.5 springs, it might be just as stiff as the 5/4 split on a MeisterR coilovers because the springs are not pre-loaded on MeisterR Zeta-R Coilovers.
 
cusco zero one & they are fine had them 4years & on the worst roads in the country & on track aswell. i would if it happened, but i wouldnt go with anything other than the best out there when it comes to my suspension, for obvious reasons. i paid a nice lump for them but have lasted this long & still wicked :p each to their own

I must take you down a rough road to show you the comfort I have compared to having coilovers on the same road. To me it would be giving up a lot if I got rid of the setup unless I could get something near enough but adjustable I would for sure take it. You can take me out in yours Mick was saying your cuscos are sweet though.
 

Johnny_C

Lifer
Twice the price doesn't mean twice the quality, you are paying for the brand name in a lot of cases.;)

I've gone from cusco's to BC's and on the road, BC's are better.
in this case it does without doubt,ive had cuscos,they are a better coilover than k-sport/d2/bc.
im not saying that k-sport/d2/bc are bad coilovers but.
 

Ted

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i have a set of cuscos sitting in the garage, was gonna clean them up and just put them on the wall they are that tasty to look at. obviously cost a lot to produce such a quality product.

however like all coilovers they leak all over the place and arent rebuildable so not much point.
 
MeisterR Zeta-R will come with 1 year warranty, and we work on "replace" rather than "rebuild". New dampers will be around £80 after warranty, so you can replace all 4 damper on the car for £320. All warranty are also carried in the UK, and stock will be held in the UK. Therefore you won't have to wait months for things to get rebuild. I aim to provide all warranty service done within a week.



BC's are the same warranty :)
 

weakboy2

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haha wouldnt mind a look at them anyways, might be able to get my hands on some others and could poss make a full set ;)
 

gglavin

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I must take you down a rough road to show you the comfort I have compared to having coilovers on the same road. To me it would be giving up a lot if I got rid of the setup unless I could get something near enough but adjustable I would for sure take it. You can take me out in yours Mick was saying your cuscos are sweet though.

they are very good, i suppose i dont mind it as much cos i knew i was going for big power, so i went coilies. but i would recommend them & not just any coily, i would go with tein,cusco etc.......but your right, the set up you have is probably better than some coilovers out there anyway Corey , so wouldnt give that up. even Mick S coilovers are good but theyv probably been on car 5-8 years
 

12345678

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I think any sort of coilovers are out of the question for comfort. Koni or simular would be ok.

The way you guys describe the Irish Roads like part of an off road rally stage. :haha:

they are - hence why we have so many rally's :haha:

If you're going to be driving quickly on Irish roads a good shocks and springs setup is the job, comfy for everyday, can handle the corners, and very good at speed on the bumpiest of roads.

The reason I prefer my current setup(KYB special SR's + espelir springs) to the coilovers I have experienced is all of the above plus I know if I come flying round a corner and ther is a car coming the other way and a big pothole on my side of the road that I can't avoid, the car is a lot less likely to jump about and get out of control.

all my opinion of course based on the experiences I've had

i have always wanted to try this set-up but rich managed to find them first and they work exceptionally well.

I am currently running tein lowering springs with std shocks and i must say, they are great for a bit of back road rally slaggin.

Ideally you need something with plenty of travel - both inbound and rebound as meister has described, so it will be shocks and springs or a good set of coilovers where you can adjust the height of the strut independantly of the preload on the spring, also using a fairly soft spring rate
 
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