Dyno results

[tom_hunt]

Here is the video

 

[sx_turbo]

mate your timings definately out by 1 tooth

thats the same as what mine was doing.

it will also explain your loss in power.

i just hope you havnt fucked anything else up with it like that, but that problem will be down to toy tuning

 

[tom_hunt]

mate your timings definately out by 1 tooth

thats the same as what mine was doing.

it will also explain your loss in power.

i just hope you havnt fucked anything else up with it like that, but that problem will be down to toy tuning

What would it fuck up?

Tom

 

[sx_turbo]

nothing can fuck up the timing apart from the guy who fitted the timing belt.

starlets are tricky to get correct, and sometimes it takes a while.

some mechanics just get fed up and say that will do, it'll be fine, like the guy who originally did mine done.

my car had the exact same symptoms as yours, and then my dad and his mate done the timing and it now runs as sweet as a nut

 

[tom_hunt]

nothing can fuck up the timing apart from the guy who fitted the timing belt.

starlets are tricky to get correct, and sometimes it takes a while.

some mechanics just get fed up and say that will do, it'll be fine, like the guy who originally did mine done.

my car had the exact same symptoms as yours, and then my dad and his mate done the timing and it now runs as sweet as a nut

I will get in touch with Toby see what he can do for me or go to my tuners and see how much they will charge to sort teh timing out.

Thanks for your help mate. Rep points for you

Tom

 

[sx_turbo]

no problems mate hope you get it sorted

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Hey Tom,

Power wise it's a lower compression engine this is why it produces less power, because of this you can run more boost safely. We could build high comp engines but for safety it's not viable, we don't offer a warranty on race engines and we don't want people blowing them. Timing wise Kevin has probably timed over 1000 Toyotas in his life so seems odd why it's hunting but if you want I'll get him to call you to see if we can rectify, first time we've seen this but as promised we are here if needed.

When it left timing wise it was fine as we wouldn't let a new engine go out like that, all I can think is that it has been altered when mapped but get in touch when you can, sent a reply to your mail

Thanks,

T

 

[sx_turbo]

Hey Tom,

Power wise it's a lower compression engine this is why it produces less power, because of this you can run more boost safely. We could build high comp engines but for safety it's not viable, we don't offer a warranty on race engines and we don't want people blowing them. Timing wise Kevin has probably timed over 1000 Toyotas in his life so seems odd why it's hunting but if you want I'll get him to call you to see if we can rectify, first time we've seen this but as promised we are here if needed.

When it left timing wise it was fine as we wouldn't let a new engine go out like that, all I can think is that it has been altered when mapped but get in touch when you can, sent a reply to your mail

Thanks,

T

just because he has timed 1000's doesnt mean that he doesnt make a mistake once in a blue moon

the guy who timed mine has been a mechanic for 40 odd years and unfortunately got it wrong.

my car had the exact same syptoms and when driving seemed ok, but never quite seemed right.

i only checked the timing on the off chance after spending £100 on various sensors, and it never made a difference.

i would highly recomend checking the timing before wasting any money, if the timing is ok then theres nothing lost.

also it only idles like that when it's warm i found, when cold it seems ok,

 

[sx_turbo]

toby i'm not saying you have done wrong, just saying it is possible.

the guy who done my timing belt said almost exactly the same as you have just said, and even when i done the timing myself and got it spot on, it ran like a dream after and stopped hunting, and the guy is still in denial lol

 

[tom_hunt]

also it only idles like that when it's warm i found, when cold it seems ok,

Yeah thats how it is with mine. Never on cold start always when the car was warm.

@ Toby

Hello.

Im not around in the days to answer calls at the min. Im best to be reached by e-mail or on the forum.

I can get a day off work dead easy to take the car to Kev but Im not really kean on driving long distances and new places (sorry just how I am). To get the car up to Kev would cost me £130 with it being put on a trailor like befor.
To be honest I dont really no what to say! Iv spoke to the garage that mapped the car but they told me to get in touch with you first as you was the one that had the enigne built. They said it sounds liek the timing after explaining to them the problems that I have found. I was very close to say "f*ck it sell up or sell all the parts then get rid of the car" lol but I want to get the use out of the car.

If I was to get up to Kev Id have to pay for the timing to be done as you said the engines are under warrenty. So what am I supossed to do lol ?
Iv got piss all money as Iv just moved house and got to do some work to that and I need to the car but then again I could sell up and go for some thing else. I dont no. Alot going though me head at the min with it all.

Toby what would you say is best for me to do? Get the car to Kev when I can to see what he can do? Iv got some 315cc injectors sat here and I was thinking maybe get the timing done then stick them in and get the boost up to 1.2bar. The garage that did the mapping said they would sort it but they do charge a fair bit for little jobs which sucks! Thats the problem theses days! every thing costs so much lol

Tom

 

[sx_turbo]

do you not have a local mechanic you can take your car to?

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Hi Tom,

Yeah we won't charge you to check timing lol it's just a mission for you to get here I can completely appreciate that. What I meant was that if the timing was wrong it would have hunted when we had it rather than just starting randomly but as Ricky said it's worth checking, can be done in 5mins with a light gun we can even send one, really easy to check, if you have a mechanic near by even better you just need to check the timing marks in relation to the flashes.

Power wise I wouldn't worry, people write a lot of things on forums, it's a low comp engine that is bullet proof, there may be people running more power with less mods but the condition of their engine is another story and they are tuned for nothing but power, you either want high figures to show boat with or a reliable car. The dyno used will give around 10% less than others, the ones most use on here are 10% more than normal. One guy running 220hp on one dyno will only get 190hp on another see where I'm coming from?

When Kev gets back from town I'll have a chat and see what he thinks, if the timing was out it would have been from day one and Kevin wouldn't let her go out hunting, as you know it wasn't like this to start with but we are here to help. Hopefully he will say bring her down and we will help with the fuel least we can do, been with you for too long mate! Your engine has been built to the same spec as everyone elses, over 15 on the road to this date and we have another 3 in at the moment with more booked in for August. If it's the timing it's not hard to sort but I'm not 100% it is as it was okay to begin with, we need to have a look really if possible. Ricky said he has similar symptoms so it's certainly possible, I will speak with Kevin as soon as he is back am sure we can see what is going on.

T

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

toby i'm not saying you have done wrong, just saying it is possible.

the guy who done my timing belt said almost exactly the same as you have just said, and even when i done the timing myself and got it spot on, it ran like a dream after and stopped hunting, and the guy is still in denial lol

Yeah that's fair play Ricky, it's just you said some guys never get it spot on and just leave it, we don't do this we make sure they are spot on before they go I check all the work not forgetting Kevin works for me. No where you are coming from but it wasn't hunting to begin with that is a recent problem some 0000's after the rebuild. Regardless we love Tom so will get it sorted

T

 

[sx_turbo]

lol thats cool toby.

on the other hand, the tuner could have knocked the timing out, or it's also possible for the timing belt to stretch, but it generally rare, but is possible

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Yeah it is a wierd one we would always ensure timing is spot on, what company did you use for mapping Tom? Whatever the case we are here for you buddy no tissues yet please!

T

 

[GTti]

Aye it's possible the belt could have jumped a tooth.

 

[tom_hunt]

Yeah it is a wierd one we would always ensure timing is spot on, what company did you use for mapping Tom? Whatever the case we are here for you buddy no tissues yet please!

T

Hi Toby.

Yeah I must admit the car was fine till I got home from the tuners. Thats when the car started to rev its self and to be honest I though that was the cams being lumpy lol

I used a company called Noble Motorsport. There the only company close to me that do the Dastek UniChip.

Yeah Im going to go see a guy I no tomorrow at a local garage to see what he can do for me as he will invoice me and I wont have to pay for about 6 weeks lol. I will see if I can get it done then go back to my tuner and will have to bite my finger and slip the payment on my credit card.

Toby would I be best to get my 315cc injectors put in aswell and then get it set up for 1.2bar? I want the full potential of the car and want it all to be good.

Im still really happy with the work whats been done Toby by all means! 100% grade A!! lol Its just seems to be liek every time I get one thing done something elses needs to be done if your with me. I trust Kev's work 100% as I have read and herd nothing but great things about him and his work.

Iv just been out in the car and it brought a smile to my face again lol so no more hard feelings towards it anymore lol so it will be staying.

Besides I still want to get her on the track and up the strip so maybe after everything is done I will be up pod and at a few track days.

Thanks for your help Toby. Top man as always

Tom

 

[GTti]

Why not go the full aftermarket route? If you use a Motec or Omex or something well reputable, the amount of competent tuners at your finger tips will increase also.

 

[Toby@ToyTuning.com]

Hi Tom,

Yeah spoke with Kev and he said it was 100% when it went out, like you said happened after it was tuned so I think that is where the problem lies. You know we don't like the Dastek as the stock OEM ECU slowly takes over, Luke made a good suggestion with some better management but I know it's all budget pending! Get the timing checked, won't take long at all and any competent mechanic can show you, can even send a light gun if you need easy to use.

For 1.2 bar I would go with 330's + pending what rail pressure you run with the FPR. I'm glad you still enjoy driving her mate that is the most important part but I would say it needs to be re-mapped, I really dislike the Dastek but I know they are cheap hence so appealing, you know what I'm going to say! I'm going to get you on the track if it's the last thing I do, want to suck you up with our HKS tubby

T

 

[tom_hunt]

Hi Tom,

Yeah spoke with Kev and he said it was 100% when it went out, like you said happened after it was tuned so I think that is where the problem lies. You know we don't like the Dastek as the stock OEM ECU slowly takes over, Luke made a good suggestion with some better management but I know it's all budget pending! Get the timing checked, won't take long at all and any competent mechanic can show you, can even send a light gun if you need easy to use.

For 1.2 bar I would go with 330's + pending what rail pressure you run with the FPR. I'm glad you still enjoy driving her mate that is the most important part but I would say it needs to be re-mapped, I really dislike the Dastek but I know they are cheap hence so appealing, you know what I'm going to say! I'm going to get you on the track if it's the last thing I do, want to suck you up with our HKS tubby

T

Haha your HKS tubby can suck my ass! lol.

See I would be willing to do a swop for a Greddy E-manage but I dont no one thing about getting the Dastek out and would most likely fuck sumet up. Plus I hate cables lol. Think I might just go for the E-manage anyway. Can get them cheap but it still costs to get um set up IF some one wants to swop my Dastek UniChip for a Greddy E-manage then U2U me

Unless you want to sort me a mega great deal on a E-manage kit + Fitting & Mapping Toby

Tom