handling still not right...
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Lifer
very good question, should be 28psi on rear, and 30psi on front.
you can adjust them to see what suits you best though, but the above is a rule of thumb.
also do you have any rear strut braces? as this can have the same effect
SupaStu
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Adam, i have the same issue with the Teins but I'm getting mine setup properly next Friday by a rally specialist.
My front nose comes up way too much (ride height is set at standard at the moment, I set the damping at the hardest setting). My front does feel higher than the back, whereas before I was nose to ground.
I also have to drive like a granny in the wet as it feels like im driving on roller blades, car all over the place, scares the shite out of me! Dangerous as fuck. Its okay in the dry, probably thanks to the Pirellis...
Ride wise its great, but I think I need to lower it at least another 30-40 mmm before I get some good handling, as it rolls a bit as well.
Its not the bushes as I have new TRD bushes up front, all bushes are in good nick.
Im also in the same "boat"
If i have time i'll lower it this weekend and let you know how I get on.
My front nose comes up way too much (ride height is set at standard at the moment, I set the damping at the hardest setting). My front does feel higher than the back, whereas before I was nose to ground.
I also have to drive like a granny in the wet as it feels like im driving on roller blades, car all over the place, scares the shite out of me! Dangerous as fuck. Its okay in the dry, probably thanks to the Pirellis...
Ride wise its great, but I think I need to lower it at least another 30-40 mmm before I get some good handling, as it rolls a bit as well.
Its not the bushes as I have new TRD bushes up front, all bushes are in good nick.
Im also in the same "boat"
If i have time i'll lower it this weekend and let you know how I get on.
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Adam_Glanza
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yeah i see you been getting teh same feeling,
i did actually lower the front over the weekend and it has made quite a bit of difference, the boaty feeling at speed isnt really there at the moment! i guess the feeling was the front riding up too high and giving that "light steer" feeling.
ive also got the dampening on the front at maximum and is better!
2.5kg and 3kg is the standard spring ratings for tein super streets.
they are a good road coilover, just that all over the place feeling didnt make it feel secure at all.
where are you getting it setup mate?
i did actually lower the front over the weekend and it has made quite a bit of difference, the boaty feeling at speed isnt really there at the moment! i guess the feeling was the front riding up too high and giving that "light steer" feeling.
ive also got the dampening on the front at maximum and is better!
2.5kg and 3kg is the standard spring ratings for tein super streets.
they are a good road coilover, just that all over the place feeling didnt make it feel secure at all.
where are you getting it setup mate?
SupaStu
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Good to hear thats working better! Yeah I think my ride height is set front and rear at about 25mm (standard), what is your at now? I'm going to meaure my old JICs and set what rate they were set at, might aim for them as they were great.
I'm getting it setup at company in Campsie, Derry, Northern Ireland, the guy does a lot of supsension setups for rally cars and modified cars etc, he can adjust the ride heights, geometry, camber the whole setup.
I agree with the nose thing, I can see and feel the nose lift on boost, like a muscle car, feels like your ready for takeoff.
... as for being put off getting these, remember i've not had these properly setup or aligned, my mechanic has simply installed them onto the car.
I'm getting it setup at company in Campsie, Derry, Northern Ireland, the guy does a lot of supsension setups for rally cars and modified cars etc, he can adjust the ride heights, geometry, camber the whole setup.
I agree with the nose thing, I can see and feel the nose lift on boost, like a muscle car, feels like your ready for takeoff.
... as for being put off getting these, remember i've not had these properly setup or aligned, my mechanic has simply installed them onto the car.
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Adam_Glanza
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yeah and the steering goes all light? like the wheels and the steering isnt connected lol.
tbh im not sure wat height im at, i just measured it by the threads on the strut leg, and i think i went down to like 5 from bottom? ive still got it at a reasonable height because of the speed bumps around here and ive got jam front lip so dont wanna smash it lol, but it definately feels better so far neway!
having bald front tyres wont help either lol! god damn eagles run out so fast
ditto there stu aswell, i literally banged them on without being setup. it definately did feel better in a straight line but because of the ride height it was still boated
tbh im not sure wat height im at, i just measured it by the threads on the strut leg, and i think i went down to like 5 from bottom? ive still got it at a reasonable height because of the speed bumps around here and ive got jam front lip so dont wanna smash it lol, but it definately feels better so far neway!
having bald front tyres wont help either lol! god damn eagles run out so fast
ditto there stu aswell, i literally banged them on without being setup. it definately did feel better in a straight line but because of the ride height it was still boated
Monkfish
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What panhard rod are you running, and is it adjustable and correctly adjusted. If it's the stock item, it'll push the wheels out to the left of the car (looking at the rear) when it is lowered, which will make it crab slightly and it won't do anything for the handling of the car.
Also, adjusting the ride height will affect the toe of the wheels, so they will need adjustment every time the ride height is altered.
Also, adjusting the ride height will affect the toe of the wheels, so they will need adjustment every time the ride height is altered.
SupaStu
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Adam, i thought that you wind the spring upwards to lower it? I though that by compressing the spring it lowers?! I moved my front up by about 10mm and it looks to be higher now, do you just wind the rings to the bottom of the thread to lower it?
This looks to be the opposite of my JICs and they were very low... confused now.
Anyone any tips, i had to stop here as its pissing with rain now
This looks to be the opposite of my JICs and they were very low... confused now.
Anyone any tips, i had to stop here as its pissing with rain now
Captain Starlet
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adam when they were doing your alignment do you no what they set it to!
as they should have taking into account that the cars got bigger wheels and been lowered when setting it rather than just going off there chart.. plus bald tyres wont help lol
as they should have taking into account that the cars got bigger wheels and been lowered when setting it rather than just going off there chart.. plus bald tyres wont help lol
Gee
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People say D2's are rubbish, but I have never had this boat problem. I am having other issues, but the car is very stable and has not roll at all.
I was going to get TEIN as a replacement for my D2's as I want something a bit more forgiving on my daily ride. Not too sure now.
Let us know how it all goes guys.
I was going to get TEIN as a replacement for my D2's as I want something a bit more forgiving on my daily ride. Not too sure now.
Let us know how it all goes guys.
Dave@TM-developments.com
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Unfortunately with the super streets ride height is adjusted by putting more or less pre load on the sorings which is far from ideal. Also if you raise/lower the car the camber/caster settings will change. Have the corner weights checked
Adam_Glanza
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well i definately went lower with the nut and the car got lower lol!
yes got panhard rod and thats all aligned ok.
car handles alot better now being a bit lower and with new tyres.
i felt a bitl ike a fool going straight back again 2 get it redone lol.
yes ive got the alignment check printout infront of me, dont know if its any decent or not
yes got panhard rod and thats all aligned ok.
car handles alot better now being a bit lower and with new tyres.
i felt a bitl ike a fool going straight back again 2 get it redone lol.
yes ive got the alignment check printout infront of me, dont know if its any decent or not
dac69er
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Adam_Glanza
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dont be put off mate, aslong as you get them setup they are great.
my problem was i know nothing about coilovers and expected them to be perfect straight away, you need to get the height / balance right for your car then all is sweet
my problem was i know nothing about coilovers and expected them to be perfect straight away, you need to get the height / balance right for your car then all is sweet
Should be aiming for around 25mm front and 15mm rear drop, any lower and it'll begin to effect steering axis inclination and it'll tend to understeer.
If it's understeering, also, stiffen the rear shocks up.
Getting it spot on will take time and miles of driving.
You'll get it right in the end dude
If it's understeering, also, stiffen the rear shocks up.
Getting it spot on will take time and miles of driving.
You'll get it right in the end dude
weeJohn
Lifer
I have to agree with sigma here lads. The best set up for your car is the best to suit your style of driving. The tuners will be able to set the ride height up to what you want and set the allignment and camber to what you state you want or what they think that will be, but it wont necessarily be best for you.
I spent nerly 4 months messing about with camber, preload, stiffness and tyre pressure to get my coilovers the way I wanted them. They are very good round long fast corners, but not as tight (tail happy) as I would have wanted them on tighter slower corners, thats the trade off.
Plus if you want a straight line set up, you will loose out on the bends as well. Coilovers are the dogs bolloxs if set up right, and a pile of dog shite if not.
My advice is try to gather a bit of info about what changes will affect the handling and take it from there yourselves. The next best option is standard shocks and lowering springs!!
I spent nerly 4 months messing about with camber, preload, stiffness and tyre pressure to get my coilovers the way I wanted them. They are very good round long fast corners, but not as tight (tail happy) as I would have wanted them on tighter slower corners, thats the trade off.
Plus if you want a straight line set up, you will loose out on the bends as well. Coilovers are the dogs bolloxs if set up right, and a pile of dog shite if not.
My advice is try to gather a bit of info about what changes will affect the handling and take it from there yourselves. The next best option is standard shocks and lowering springs!!
dac69er
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i wouldnt go that far. some lowering springs are ok but some are really crap. i found the apex springs dangerously bad, but the Pi springs ive fitted to my n/a arent too bad.