'Muhammad' ranked most popular boys' name in England

addz

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dont want people to bite my head off, im not very good with words etc.

i am 100% british, have only lived in england. i remember when i was younger i could walk down the street and not see any other race or religion. now every other house isnt british. i feel like i live in the minority in my area.

i feel that i have no say so in anything which is rediculous as it was my grandparents who fought and lost their lives to keep the contry under english control, now we are just letting it go to who ever wants it.

i get very worked up when i hear people calling the english racist, why should we be in the wrong for being racist in our own country? i belive the country should keep its english hertiage.

So you are saying you're scared of other races because they aren't indigenous. The govenment lets the foreigners in and you blame the foreigners. Don't forget, it's not only British people who fought in wars and the likes, foreigners fought too. It's funny how everyone one comes up with the same theory that they don't get a word in egdeways. This country still remains strong because of non indigenous people. Not to forget, this country allowed strangers in for a reason, which only the govenment knows. It's ok for Brits to go to other countries to rule, rape and the horrible likes - yes do some research and you'll find some horrible information.
 

gv1.3

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Going back to the original most popular name thing, there was a news article on the TV about it. Basically, pretty much all muslims are being called Mohammed, so it doesn't generally mean Britian is being overrun by muslims, it's just a name. If brits didn't use the thousands of different names out there, then they'd probably still be more popular than mohammed, it's just they're not being very imaginative and can only think of one name to use. Britian doesn't really use traditional names any more just because times have changed.

If you had a school with 100 kids, 90 brits and 10 muslim, chances are mohammed would be the popular name (10%), but still doesn't mean they're the majority race.

great point, very simple and makes a lot of sense.
 

bullet

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not scared of other races, just dont think its fair that they come to our country and expect us to change things for them and get special treatment.
i dont have a problem with foreginers coming over here and accpeting they are in england and not their homeland, and getting respectable jobs and paying their way.
its the ones that come here and live off what we pay in tax and N.I, get all the gains and give nothing back.
i know the english have done some nasty things etc.
i know its not only british who fought, but we fought for our contry so we could stay the same.
 

addz

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So who lets these foreigners get away with not working and claiming what ever they are claiming. Surely not their Government who is sitting in their native land. Again, UK as a whole is. Also, who supports the changes these foriegners want. I can go on endlessly, and you'll see time and time again that the government backs it up. People who never resided in the UK fought for the country, so show some respect.
 

ASHep82

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So who lets these foreigners get away with not working and claiming what ever they are claiming. Surely not their Government who is sitting in their native land. Again, UK as a whole is. Also, who supports the changes these foriegners want. I can go on endlessly, and you'll see time and time again that the government backs it up. People who never resided in the UK fought for the country, so show some respect.


Agree with you.
 

Dan507

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Starlet_Sam

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Are these Mohammeds allowed to have their photo's taken, or to be drawn?
 

Paul_JJ

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So who lets these foreigners get away with not working and claiming what ever they are claiming. Surely not their Government who is sitting in their native land. Again, UK as a whole is. Also, who supports the changes these foriegners want. I can go on endlessly, and you'll see time and time again that the government backs it up. People who never resided in the UK fought for the country, so show some respect.

Agreed 100%. It's all down to the government and YOU give your vote for them!

I really don't like to remind it, but ask any professor of History and he will confirm this - if it wasn't for Russians in the WW2, the UK would've been a part of the Nazi Germany!
 

STARLET N/A

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:D

I so want to post certain parts of monkey dust but I shall refrain!



that video you put up was a nicely edited video. made me laugh that you would believe it. you have to remember that the 'dispatches' has a agenda, dont forget that.
what was the agenda to the video??

have you looked into islam properly? not with just a mind to find a something you dislike.
if you dont understand then it, then why insult?

that last comment you have made shows no respect for others

and dont say "others do it, so why cant I".

if you have any questions on islam feel free to PM me.
 

gv1.3

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that video you put up was a nicely edited video. made me laugh that you would believe it. you have to remember that the 'dispatches' has a agenda, dont forget that.
what was the agenda to the video??

have you looked into islam properly? not with just a mind to find a something you dislike.
if you dont understand then it, then why insult?

that last comment you have made shows no respect for others

and dont say "others do it, so why cant I".

if you have any questions on islam feel free to PM me.

Okay so if you believe that documentary was edited to show islam in an extremist way explain to me how it was edited to do so? Did they overdub what those sick and twisted individuals were saying about "maybe if a gay person comes to you and you are a dentist... dont shoot him up with enough anesthetic" ? no ... they were their actual words. You can say that is edited any way you like but that stuff is sick twisted and disgusting and has no part to play in a civilised western society.

What was the agenda to the video?
Well.. it appeared that they went inside a mainstream mosque to secretly video the day to day teachings. If you know something about the agenda dispatches have then feel free to share it. I have had my own interactions directly with muslims and have heard their opinion directly regaridng non-muslims first hand.

If I was really attempting to be anti islam I would post a video I have here from an islamic republic of a person being stoned to death for a trivial crime... you would however come back and tell me it was edited though so no point in sharing that.

Yes I have looked in to islam a lot, more so than most people I would know. I dont believe in having an opinion on something unless it is an informed opinion. You are incorrect to assume I did so with a mind to dislike something, it appears you are making assumptions.

Where did I insult anything? I am expressing my opinion on a religion of which I have made an effort to find out about. Just because my opinion is not favorable I do not think it is insulting.

My last comment shows no respect for others? Really, how is that? Because I mentioned a cartoon that was on BBC which did a sketch that featured some kids called Mohammed from the UK. I directed the last comment at a member who I happen to know for a fact is a fan of monkey dust and will get what I am talking about. The sketch is funny, in my opinion, and I would like to share it in this thread to lighten the mood but given that muslims tend to only be able to see the funny side of other peoples religions I refrained from posting a clip. So back to your comment about me showing no respect for others.... What are you talking about?
 

STARLET N/A

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They edit the full discussion into just a part of what he/she are saying.

many people have done this with the Qur'an and people like youself fall for it. like the video by the dutch guy, called fitnah? which takes everything out of context, by qouting a verse and not telling you the context of the verses before or after it.

you say "it appeared that they went inside a mainstream mosque to secretly video the day to day teachings", key word in the sentence
is 'appeared', they editied the video so that you will oppose the religion of islam. thats the agenda. its the fastest going religion
in the world today and people are worried that thier sons and daughter will become muslims. even though it will benefit them.

this apposing islam agenda and creatinga bad image has been going on for years, and to be honest im not suprised you many people believe what you believe about islam.
everything that comes on BBC,CNN,ITV and SKY is 100% true??

you say "Yes I have looked in to islam a lot". what have you learnt from islam, because i would like to know. you have made a lot of effort in the thread so im sure you
have time to tell me. what religion do you believe it the truth or are you athiest?

and the girl who converted to islam , "She went from a fun loving outgoing girl to one who
would not get in the lift with men or eat with any of us at lunch. It was pretty astounding to say the least"

if you would have looked into islam properly you would have not posted this comment above. you dont understand
why she changed and why she does things that she does, if you do tell then me.

and the comment about the monkey being insulting, it seemed like someting else, especially with the comment you replied to.
my bad, my mistake and i aplogise for jumping to assumptions.about monkey dust?? i dont know what that is about at all to be honest

but its very hypocritical when you say "given that muslims tend to only be able to see the funny side of other peoples religions". what are you talking about....??


if you have any queries on the religon of islam then feel free to PM me.
 

glanzanut

Lifer
They edit the full discussion into just a part of what he/she are saying.

many people have done this with the Qur'an and people like youself fall for it. like the video by the dutch guy, called fitnah? which takes everything out of context, by qouting a verse and not telling you the context of the verses before or after it.

you say "it appeared that they went inside a mainstream mosque to secretly video the day to day teachings", key word in the sentence
is 'appeared', they editied the video so that you will oppose the religion of islam. thats the agenda. its the fastest going religion
in the world today and people are worried that thier sons and daughter will become muslims. even though it will benefit them.

this apposing islam agenda and creatinga bad image has been going on for years, and to be honest im not suprised you many people believe what you believe about islam.
everything that comes on BBC,CNN,ITV and SKY is 100% true??

you say "Yes I have looked in to islam a lot". what have you learnt from islam, because i would like to know. you have made a lot of effort in the thread so im sure you
have time to tell me. what religion do you believe it the truth or are you athiest?

and the girl who converted to islam , "She went from a fun loving outgoing girl to one who
would not get in the lift with men or eat with any of us at lunch. It was pretty astounding to say the least"

if you would have looked into islam properly you would have not posted this comment above. you dont understand
why she changed and why she does things that she does, if you do tell then me.

and the comment about the monkey being insulting, it seemed like someting else, especially with the comment you replied to.
my bad, my mistake and i aplogise for jumping to assumptions.about monkey dust?? i dont know what that is about at all to be honest

but its very hypocritical when you say "given that muslims tend to only be able to see the funny side of other peoples religions". what are you talking about....??


if you have any queries on the religon of islam then feel free to PM me.

so are you saying that was a fake mosque and they were all actors? id tend to think it was a mainstream mosque as it shows.
in what way would someones son or daughter converting to islam benifit them?
tbh i think they do a good enough job of creating a bad image without the media helping it along.
our troops coming home to be called baby killers, sick and repulsive people lining the streets shouting this, but i guess thats out of context.
and i think the way the women are treated is disgusting, any religion which says allows a man to have sex with his wife even if she does not consent disgusts and offends me!
women obviously are considered non equals, basically no better than dogs.
 

ASHep82

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@Glanzanut


What are women's rights in Islam?
Courtesy of Islamic.Org

In a truely Islamic society women have the following rights in Islam:
1. The right and duty to obtain education.

2. The right to have their own independent property.

3. The right to work to earn money if they need it or want it.

4. Equality of reward for equal deeds.

5. The right to express their opinion and be heard.

6. The right to provisions from the husband for all her needs and more.

7. The right to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.

8. The right to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply can't stand him. (pls note that God deeply frowns upon divorce as a solution unless there is hardly any other alternative but it does not mean that men have more right to divorce their wives than women do.)

9. The right to keep all her own money (she is not responsible to maintain any relations).

10. The right to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.

11. custody of their children after divorce.

12. to refuse any marriage that does not please them

and more...
This is the link if anybody wishes too see it.obviously Glanzanut has been mis informed about womens right
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http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_rights_summary.htm
 

glanzanut

Lifer
well i have been told this by two members of islam on seperate occasions so if this isnt how it is why would they say that?
that isnt just something i have imagined, it came straight from the horses mouth.
and whats your views on the people lining the streets shouting baby killers at our troops can you please give me your opinion on that as well?
 

glanzanut

Lifer
oh and while people are looking at ashep82's link on womans rights they might want to look at this site
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/s...-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html
Sharia in New Jersey: Muslim husband rapes wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex

Muhammad said: "If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning" (Bukhari 4.54.460).

He also said: "By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel's saddle" (Ibn Majah 1854).

And now a New Jersey judge sees no evidence that a Muslim committed sexual assault of his wife -- not because he didn't do it, but because he was acting on his Islamic beliefs: "This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited."

Luckily, the appellate court overturned this decision, and a Sharia ruling by an American court has not been allowed to stand. This time.

"Cultural Defense Accepted as to Nonconsensual Sex in New Jersey Trial Court, Rejected on Appeal," by Eugene Volokh in The Volokh Conspiracy, July 23 (thanks to CameoRed):

From today's opinion in S.D. v. M.J.R. (N.J. Super. Ct. App. Div.), a domestic restraining order case:

The record reflects that plaintiff, S.D., and defendant, M.J.R., are citizens of Morocco and adherents to the Muslim faith. They were wed in Morocco in an arranged marriage on July 31, 2008, when plaintiff was seventeen years old. [FN1] The parties did not know each other prior to the marriage. On August 29, 2008, they came to New Jersey as the result of defendant's employment in this country as an accountant....

[Long discussion of the wife's allegations of abuse, which included several instances of nonconsensual sex as well as other abuse, omitted for space reasons. -EV]

Upon their return to the apartment, defendant forced plaintiff to have sex with him while she cried. Plaintiff testified that defendant always told her

this is according to our religion. You are my wife, I c[an] do anything to you. The woman, she should submit and do anything I ask her to do.

After having sex, defendant took plaintiff to a travel agency to buy a ticket for her return to Morocco. However the ticket was not purchased, and the couple returned to the apartment. Once there, defendant threatened divorce, but nonetheless again engaged in nonconsensual sex while plaintiff cried. Later that day, defendant and his mother took plaintiff to the home of the Imam and, in the presence of the Imam, his wife, and defendant's mother, defendant verbally divorced plaintiff....[...]

While recognizing that defendant had engaged in sexual relations with plaintiff against her expressed wishes in November 2008 and on the night of January 15 to 16, 2009, the judge did not find sexual assault or criminal sexual conduct to have been proven. He stated:

This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited.

After acknowledging that this was a case in which religious custom clashed with the law, and that under the law, plaintiff had a right to refuse defendant's advances, the judge found that defendant did not act with a criminal intent when he repeatedly insisted upon intercourse, despite plaintiff's contrary wishes.

Having found acts of domestic violence consisting of assault and harassment to have occurred, the judge turned to the issue of whether a final restraining order should be entered. He found such an order unnecessary, vacated the temporary restraints previously entered in the matter and dismissed plaintiff's domestic violence action....

The appellate court reversed this absurd decision, saying:

As the judge recognized, the case thus presents a conflict between the criminal law and religious precepts. In resolving this conflict, the judge determined to except defendant from the operation of the State's statutes as the result of his religious beliefs. In doing so, the judge was mistaken.

A close call. But no doubt more of this is to come.
 

ASHep82

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well i have been told this by two members of islam on seperate occasions so if this isnt how it is why would they say that?
that isnt just something i have imagined, it came straight from the horses mouth.
and whats your views on the people lining the streets shouting baby killers at our troops can you please give me your opinion on that as well?

Hi mate my reply was in no way to offend you.obviously the people who told you didn't know themselves about the rights of women.and the thing about giving troops abuse that is wrong that should not happen to people who fight for our country.but that doesn't mean all Muslims are like that my friend who's a Muslim was in the army too but he had to leave when he had a operation on his ribs.you get bad people in evry culture and religion.
 

Steve GT

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In my honest opinion there are a few numbers of muslims out there that let the whole muslim community down by what can only be described as disgusting protests like that of the british troops homecoming parade that happened

events like that that are shown on the news causes racial hatred that is not needed. i know many muslims, both in real life and on UKSC and on here and are 100% sound guys

shame about the few that let the muslim community down
 
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