'Muhammad' ranked most popular boys' name in England

[ASHep82]

u didnt offend me, its a debate
can u explane the text i have posted from that site?

Further the hadith in question clearly states at the end: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till the morning.”
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So no where in the hadith, is the husband giving any right to force his wife into sex, instead the hadith clearly mentions, that when the husband spends the night in anger (this is another proof that makes clear that a husband can’t force his wife to have sex, because how can a husband spend the night in anger sexually depressed, if he had the right and could force his wive to fullfill his sexuel needs?? This cleary proofs that a muslim husband doesn’t have the right to force his wife into sex with him) , the angels will curse his wife (with curse is ment: Allah swt wont hear or answer her prayer till the morning) , *so the punishment for the wife’s sin is clearly mentioned in the hadith, the angels will curse her ( her prayer won’t be heard by Allah swt) , no where does the hadith gives any idea of forcing or physical punishment.
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Here's a link to the site my man

http://www.quransearch.com/karim/no_marital_rape.htm

 

[glanzanut]

so what does this mean?
And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel's saddle" (Ibn Majah 1854).

why does it say this?
Muslim husband rapes wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex

and clearly the man is stating his religion allows him to it?
And now a New Jersey judge sees no evidence that a Muslim committed sexual assault of his wife -- not because he didn't do it, but because he was acting on his Islamic beliefs: "This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited."
also
this is according to our religion. You are my wife, I c[an] do anything to you. The woman, she should submit and do anything I ask her to do.

you seem to be ignoring the obvious and bending the interpratations of text?

to me it seems different muslims opperate on different beliefs to suit themselves.

 

[ASHep82]

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Where am I trying to bend interpetation?all I have done is copy n pasted a section n gave you the link so you could read the rest.I commented on the verse from sahi bukhari because this is the book I believe and try my best to follow as well as the Quran.the verse about the the camels saddle is from a completely different book.iv shown you as much as I can.and yes there is different types of Muslims i.e Shiite Muslims,Sunni Muslims, and a few more which I don't know.the beliefs aren't exactly the same.I'm gna call it a day now mate.if you want you can do some research on the net about what we talked.nice talking to you. By the way my 1st names muhammed lol.

 

[STARLET N/A]

so are you saying that was a fake mosque and they were all actors? id tend to think it was a mainstream mosque as it shows.
in what way would someones son or daughter converting to islam benifit them?
tbh i think they do a good enough job of creating a bad image without the media helping it along.
our troops coming home to be called baby killers, sick and repulsive people lining the streets shouting this, but i guess thats out of context.
and i think the way the women are treated is disgusting, any religion which says allows a man to have sex with his wife even if she does not consent disgusts and offends me!
women obviously are considered non equals, basically no better than dogs.

Glanzanut did you read what i wrote?

you know what editing is? fake mosque with actors? who said anything about the video being fake. clever editing is what has been done.

"in what way would someones son or daughter converting to islam benifit them?"

In islam there is no such thing as old people homes, the sons and daughter look after their parents and stay with them until death. most cases the sons
responsibility. benifit

they help with day to day task which when you are old and frail these very difficult to do. help with shopping, washing clothes and financially instead of them struggling to pay for billwith the state pension.ect. benefit

we look after our parent as they looked after us when we were young. benefit

constantly around close family member who truly love them, son and daughters and grandchildren. benefit

after the worship of god the second most important thing to muslims is being righteous to their parents. especially your mother. benefit

any disadvantages? if there are then name some.

"our troops coming home to be called baby killers, sick and repulsive people lining the streets shouting this, but i guess thats out of context"

no these are extermists who are expessing thier opnion, what they have done is against islam, because its has created more bad than good. we enjoin the good
and forbid the evil. im totally against what they have said, its wrong in everyway. im sure many muslims would agree with me.

but their are always extremists in everything. but we need to ignore them and not give them the satisfaction on being noticed.

but the problem is that the media seemed to be giving the extremists more air time than the muslims who want to speak out against it. leading
to the formation of other extremist groups like the EDL and east anglian society. these societies are completley against islam because of the
extemist muslims. this resulted in luton mosque being bombed.

"women obviously are considered non equals, basically no better than dogs" and this was from "two members of islam". dont base your opinion
on islam by looking at the other muslims in the media and average muslim who dont really practice the religion and have little authentic knowledge.

the quran and sunnah (saying and teaching of prophet muhammed (PBUH)) and the true teaching of islam.

He also said: "By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband.
And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel's saddle" (Ibn Majah 1854).

this narration as far as im concerned is not a authentic hadith, if it was it would be sahih or known as authentic.cant even find it on google.authentic narrations are like sahih bukhari and sahih muslim and Maalik Al-Muwatta and Sunan Abu Dawud are the most authentic saying and teaching of the prophet (pbuh) we look at these first.

this is authentic: sahih Bukhari. - Volume 7, Book 62, Number 69:
Narrated Khansa bint Khidam Al-Ansariya:
that her father gave her in marriage when she was a matron and she disliked that marriage.
So she went to Allah's Apostle and he declared that marriage invalid.

this story were did you find it, Google? "Muslim husband rapes wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex" its obvious to you and me
that the judge has made a mistake and based it on no knowledge of islam. cant of been easy for the judge to convict because of evidence, so he blames what he belive is true.
i haven't come across many stories of a husbands raping his wife. have you? dont base your what you believe of islam through media and unauthentic sources.

in Islam the women has the right to refuse as discussed before. end of.

what faith are you or are you atheist?

feel free to PM me on any question you have about islam if your unsure or have a problem?

 

[addz]

In my honest opinion there are a few numbers of muslims out there that let the whole muslim community down by what can only be described as disgusting protests like that of the british troops homecoming parade that happened

events like that that are shown on the news causes racial hatred that is not needed. i know many muslims, both in real life and on UKSC and on here and are 100% sound guys

shame about the few that let the muslim community down

Spot on, and everyone else appears to be blindfolded, or too gullible with mainstream media. In these types of threads, always the extreme videos are explored.

 

[ASHep82]

Here's another link for the guys who are interested it's about a reporter called Lauren booth who turned into a Muslim.

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums...-Turbo-s-Answers-to-the-most-common-questions...

 

[williamocarroll1982]

I cant speak for what it is like in England but VERY few people in Ireland put their elderly parent in old folks homes. Most people look after their elderly parents themselves. I myself live with my 80 year old grandmother. I moved in with her when she broke her leg tears ago and then she got a hip replacement so I stayed on and just never left after that. Its not just Muslims that do that so in my mind, just going by the only reason you gave , if I converted to Islam it would be of no extra benefit to my parents

As for being righteous to my parents, everyone that I know respects their parents more than anybody else they know and would drop everything they are doing if their parents asked the to. Parents are very highly respected in Ireland, have always been and will continue to be into the future.

I think the vast majority of Muslims are decent peace loving people just like the rest of us. I don't think that a Muslim is any more likely to be a terrorist than anyone else but my problem with Islam is that the powers that be don't condone the acts of violence by the minority strong enough or often enough. I don't understand why, when an attack has occurred that they don't come straight out and 'That is TOTALLY against the teaching of Islam' and its always left up to the ordinary followers like the members on here to defend their faith.

 

[asad_EP5DR]

WOW......

Hold the fuck up everyone and chill-out

i was just on here mooching around and came across this thread.....tbh its the only forum ive come across that continually has this kind of "debating" as you call it

Alot of muslims including myself are very un-educated in someway/form about islam we dont know everything about it (we should but such is life) so taking your mates word or even the first thing that pops up on google as gospel truth is a fail on your part and our part for not leading you to the correct educated source.....the media as with everything just fuel the fire and tend to amplify the negative in everything not just religion otherwise no one would watch/pay attention etc etc

Since day one of school ive laughed/joked/had meals with alot of people with diff beliefs/skin colour/religion so n so forth some want to be gangsters n fight some just want to be friends and live there life and enjoy themselves. there are always bad people in all relgions/jobs/companys causing havoc and trouble for the rest.......and it will always be this way. Theres not many muslims i know that are on dole/live off the gov.....ever see many in que at the job center? i dont....so the argument that "we" come here to sponge off the gov doesnt wash with me 99% of muslims ive come across work dam hard! and dont stop working untill they physically cant! how many muslims have you heard of that retire?? ive never well there is one kid i met at uni said his dad had retired....meh theres always one

for us its all about sticking together with our familys its what makes us who we are, and its the only reason for our sucess in anything we do. i think im right in saying the professions of doctors/pharmacists/optom/dentistry/accounting etc etc is heavily populated by asians who all give tax n NI...what more does the gov want? same goes with the shop keepers/take-aways etc etc all pay there dues no ones getting away with it even if they do they are always bit in the arse one time or another.......so yeah you were saying something about us comming here to live off the gov?

ive said it before n ill say it again, all this terrorism/jihad (in the context of war) is bullshit and nothing to do with islam i and many other muslims condone acts like the said parade ^ and other stunts pulled by the minority same goes with implementing/trying to change the rules of the country....i survive do my prayers and follow islam comfortably theres no change i could want from the gov to make anything better for me (apart from student loans etc lol) so it begs the question who shoved a rocket up there arses?

If you want to hear the true lecturers not the cowboys above check these guys out

Yusuf Estes
ahmed deedat
zakir naik
hussain ye
abdur raheem green


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juC-r88TJKM&feature=related (part 1-5)

 

[glanzanut]

WOW......

Hold the fuck up everyone and chill-out

i was just on here mooching around and came across this thread.....tbh its the only forum ive come across that continually has this kind of "debating" as you call it

Alot of muslims including myself are very un-educated in someway/form about islam we dont know everything about it (we should but such is life) so taking your mates word or even the first thing that pops up on google as gospel truth is a fail on your part and our part for not leading you to the correct educated source.....the media as with everything just fuel the fire and tend to amplify the negative in everything not just religion otherwise no one would watch/pay attention etc etc

Since day one of school ive laughed/joked/had meals with alot of people with diff beliefs/skin colour/religion so n so forth some want to be gangsters n fight some just want to be friends and live there life and enjoy themselves. there are always bad people in all relgions/jobs/companys causing havoc and trouble for the rest.......and it will always be this way. Theres not many muslims i know that are on dole/live off the gov.....ever see many in que at the job center? i dont....so the argument that "we" come here to sponge off the gov doesnt wash with me 99% of muslims ive come across work dam hard! and dont stop working untill they physically cant! how many muslims have you heard of that retire?? ive never well there is one kid i met at uni said his dad had retired....meh theres always one

for us its all about sticking together with our familys its what makes us who we are, and its the only reason for our sucess in anything we do. i think im right in saying the professions of doctors/pharmacists/optom/dentistry/accounting etc etc is heavily populated by asians who all give tax n NI...what more does the gov want? same goes with the shop keepers/take-aways etc etc all pay there dues no ones getting away with it even if they do they are always bit in the arse one time or another.......so yeah you were saying something about us comming here to live off the gov?

ive said it before n ill say it again, all this terrorism/jihad (in the context of war) is bullshit and nothing to do with islam i and many other muslims condone acts like the said parade ^ and other stunts pulled by the minority same goes with implementing/trying to change the rules of the country....i survive do my prayers and follow islam comfortably theres no change i could want from the gov to make anything better for me (apart from student loans etc lol) so it begs the question who shoved a rocket up there arses?

If you want to hear the true lecturers not the cowboys above check these guys out

Yusuf Estes
ahmed deedat
zakir naik
hussain ye
abdur raheem green


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juC-r88TJKM&feature=related (part 1-5)

Aimed at me i assume.

ok then here goes:

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

now i dont pretend to know the ins and outs of the whole religion, but im trying to research what im talking about best i can.
these articles are from the book your religion follows are they not?
how is anybody supposed to believe the whole defence of how women are treated that has been given in this thread?
and i could post countless hate sections from the quran, talking about killing people of other religions and beliefs.
yes the n.h.s is supported greatly by a large number of muslims, did anyone say muslims werent intelligent?
so your saying there isnt thosands of muslims who claim benifits and dont contribute to society? pull the other one!
i'd like you to explane those articles i put up please?

 

[Sparky]

In my honest opinion there are a few numbers of muslims out there that let the whole muslim community down by what can only be described as disgusting protests like that of the british troops homecoming parade that happened

events like that that are shown on the news causes racial hatred that is not needed. i know many muslims, both in real life and on UKSC and on here and are 100% sound guys

shame about the few that let the muslim community down

Totally agree with Steve

Well what a suprise, this thread was obviously going to kick off, nice one Gryzor (Y)

I know people of every race and I am far from a racist person.

Just think this thread should be closed and everyone just STFU.

At the end of the day VERY person is different regardless of race or faith, get over it.

 

[ASHep82]

@glanzanut
Since you're the one going on the net n searching for these articles why don't you look for the explanations.is it explanations you're really after?like Asad said we are very un educated about islam we try to do our best in following it.If islam degrades women so much why are so many women converting to islam? Check this link out
http://haram.wordpress.com/the-emin...ya/why-are-so-many-women-converting-to-islam/

 

[glanzanut]

@glanzanut
Since you're the one going on the net n searching for these articles why don't you look for the explanations.is it explanations you're really after?like Asad said we are very un educated about islam we try to do our best in following it.If islam degrades women so much why are so many women converting to islam? Check this link out
http://haram.wordpress.com/the-emin...ya/why-are-so-many-women-converting-to-islam/

I'm asking you to explane the text I posted from the Quran, does that mean you can't? It seems to contradict everything that's bein said here about how women are thought of. So I feel it's your job to explane why?

 

[GTnomez]

I know my fair share about Islam but i dont mistake myself for being pious. It not actually our 'job' to explain why as i can guarantee alot of people wont know the true meaning (this is where scholars come in) but i think you Glanzanut have just proven what is going on today. You have just copied and pasted texts from the net and taken them out of context which reflects a wrong meaning. What i just wrote about you was no way an insult, i had no intention of being offensive to you so please dont take it that way

The passages you put up even got me thinking as i have not heard of this ( i am fluent in reading It in Arabic but not so much in English) to which i did a quick search on the first two points and then ile go ask my teacher (Molana) to explain also.

"Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like"

The full passage is actually:

"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers." - 2:223

The interpretation of this is that your wife is a tilth for you, so go to your tilth (have sexual relations with your wives in any manner as long as it is in the vagina), when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allah to bestow upon you pious offspring) before you for your ownselves. And fear Allah, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad SAW).

"Husbands are a degree above their wives."

When i saw this i immediately thought nothing bad as i actually have been taught about this slightly. I have always resepected women, but i know from the cultural/religion background that the men have more of a responsibilty than the woman and thats exactly what that means. It doesnt mean we are better, in fact i have been taught that the woman is higher than the man and thats exactly how i see me Fiancee, after all she will be the mother of my child so i will always put her on a pedestal. Now the men are told to be the bread winner while the woman stays at home to prepare the meal when the husband returns and look after him etc. In this society the women are different and even in my case, my fiancee is qualified nurse and fully working too but she still know that when i get home shes suppose to cook for me etc as i still have the responsibility of paying the rent, bills etc. That was my interpretation and a bit of searching shows that wasnt far off.

"And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them." - Muhsin Khan

Im not targeting you mate so dont get that idea, im just trying to show a passage out the Quran can mean anything, its how you take it. When people say Muslim dont like Jews, Christians etc. Thats a lie, i have been told to respect people of all religions and there is a fine line, as thin as "I" between Christianity and Islam after all our Books are very similar. It even says in the Quran, that you are allowed to marry people of the Book and we all know who people of the Book are. If you are truly interested you wouldnt try and pin (hold or what word you want to use) guys like us down on a public forum as i will tell you now, i may be Muslim but i dont know everything.

May i just add, if i dont agree with Asad or Amjad or Addz then i will say it, i wont just back them up due to race or whatver, i will respect them but i dont have to always agree with them, so saying the we (Muslims HAVE to agree to each other is something i dont believe at all). And to be honest its down to what I have been taught, what i believe and what actions i do that would determine who/what i am, i simply cannot answer for all the people across the world or people who say things that i think are wrong. I will answer for myself and i will be responsible for myself on Judgement Day.

 

[Arnold]

its the fastest going religion in the world today and people are worried that thier sons and daughter will become muslims. even though it will benefit them.

Religion doesn't benefit anyone, no matter which one you believe in.

 

[asad_EP5DR]

Nothing is aimed at you, its a open "debate".......like you said

no you didnt say we were uneducated i was mearly trying to get you to logically think of how many muslims/asians YOU have actucally physically seen/come across in the dole line or claiming for benefits etc??? (not that you make it a habit of yours to know) and how you are just being typical in the sense your just quoting the same thing "they come n live off the gov" like every other person. im giving you my account on REAL LIFE experience whereas as your just going by what others have said.

Im sorry i cant help with the quotes, like with anything on the net it can easily be manufactured thus i pointed you towards the youtube videos........just type in what ever topic you like aslong as its by the above people

Think this is the video you want mate, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvi-g88d5XI (Please do watch it, then post up your thoughts)

 

[ASHep82]

I'm asking you to explane the text I posted from the Quran, does that mean you can't? It seems to contradict everything that's bein said here about how women are thought of. So I feel it's your job to explane why?

Obviously it means I can't as I am not very educated about islam.I said that.if you really want explanations do the reasearch yourself mate.the way I wouldve explained is research on the Internet.but seen as tho you're researching the Internet and coming up with al these questions I'm sure you can research the Internet and come up with any answers to you're questions too.n starlet n/a also said pm him with any questions so why don't you give that a try instead.as I said before is it answers and explanations you're really after?

 

[GTnomez]

if people of british origin flocked in the hundreds of thousands to a foreign country, claimed millions of pounds in benifits

I just wanted to type my thoughts on this, its not aimed at you mind but just so happens you said it.

Now i work 3 jobs to get by one of which i deal with the Birmingham and my local council. To date i am astonish how much British people REAP in benefits, i mean they get to live free, be house its 3/4 bedroom houses with the council paying. To say foreigners are claimed millions of ounds in benefits isnt true as its the people of England who are.

One thing i have noticed about foreigners is that most of them dont know the system at all where as the English do and they take advantage of it and get as much as they can. Im even talking about Polish people here too, i get on very well with Polish and can partially speak some of the language and i have see that they have no i idea who the goverment or the system works at all.

This is what i have seen, experience in one of my jobs as i come across a lot of people especially that i work inconjunction with the council and its mostly about housing too.

 

[asad_EP5DR]

The job thing is whole new can of worms, if you cant be botherd to get off your arse n get a job you have no right to complain when someone has 2-3jobs

complete n utter BULLSHIT when someone says they cant get a job/find work theres plenty of jobs may not suit you but thats your problem

pat on the back for that man ^ for working 3 jobs and actually saying it as it is = real life experience not something someones told you so you jump on the bandwagon too. Believe it or not its frowned upon if you live off benifits so asians work hard/train to do other jobs to retain employment

oh n before anyone starts on cheap labour its all about business NOTHING MORE id rather pay someone £5 ph to do a job in one hour than pay someone £6 ph to do a job in three, all imigrant workers a solid workers they come over for a better life and they prove there worth in any job so why take on some lazy arse? this has been proved time n time again


nice to see the OP still participating in the debate......well fucking done mate couldnt think of a better way to start something like this want a blue peter badge?? so what if its popular? what does it change? how does it make a difference? just causes more friction and division

 

[GTnomez]

Might i just add im not saying no asian at ALL are not on benefits as it isnt true, BUT you will find that those who came over from their native land (namely parents etc. wont be on the benefits for many reasons) but our generation or the generation above (most british born) will be on some sort of benefit wether income support or not. I have seen this in Birmingham, guys my ages or older at the job center.

So i am clearly not trying to make Muslims/Asian some race or kind that dont feed of the country before you guys explode and start posting marlarky you have found on the net.

And i was names Muhammed in respect for the of the Prophet Himself (SAW), if its common then im happy about as im part of it, theres an uproar? Then im not really surprised to be honest.

 

[glanzanut]

I know my fair share about Islam but i dont mistake myself for being pious. It not actually our 'job' to explain why as i can guarantee alot of people wont know the true meaning (this is where scholars come in) but i think you Glanzanut have just proven what is going on today. You have just copied and pasted texts from the net and taken them out of context which reflects a wrong meaning. What i just wrote about you was no way an insult, i had no intention of being offensive to you so please dont take it that way

The passages you put up even got me thinking as i have not heard of this ( i am fluent in reading It in Arabic but not so much in English) to which i did a quick search on the first two points and then ile go ask my teacher (Molana) to explain also.

"Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like"

The full passage is actually:

"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers." - 2:223

The interpretation of this is that your wife is a tilth for you, so go to your tilth (have sexual relations with your wives in any manner as long as it is in the vagina), when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allah to bestow upon you pious offspring) before you for your ownselves. And fear Allah, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad SAW).

"Husbands are a degree above their wives."

When i saw this i immediately thought nothing bad as i actually have been taught about this slightly. I have always resepected women, but i know from the cultural/religion background that the men have more of a responsibilty than the woman and thats exactly what that means. It doesnt mean we are better, in fact i have been taught that the woman is higher than the man and thats exactly how i see me Fiancee, after all she will be the mother of my child so i will always put her on a pedestal. Now the men are told to be the bread winner while the woman stays at home to prepare the meal when the husband returns and look after him etc. In this society the women are different and even in my case, my fiancee is qualified nurse and fully working too but she still know that when i get home shes suppose to cook for me etc as i still have the responsibility of paying the rent, bills etc. That was my interpretation and a bit of searching shows that wasnt far off.

"And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them." - Muhsin Khan

Im not targeting you mate so dont get that idea, im just trying to show a passage out the Quran can mean anything, its how you take it. When people say Muslim dont like Jews, Christians etc. Thats a lie, i have been told to respect people of all religions and there is a fine line, as thin as "I" between Christianity and Islam after all our Books are very similar. It even says in the Quran, that you are allowed to marry people of the Book and we all know who people of the Book are. If you are truly interested you wouldnt try and pin (hold or what word you want to use) guys like us down on a public forum as i will tell you now, i may be Muslim but i dont know everything.

May i just add, if i dont agree with Asad or Amjad or Addz then i will say it, i wont just back them up due to race or whatver, i will respect them but i dont have to always agree with them, so saying the we (Muslims HAVE to agree to each other is something i dont believe at all). And to be honest its down to what I have been taught, what i believe and what actions i do that would determine who/what i am, i simply cannot answer for all the people across the world or people who say things that i think are wrong. I will answer for myself and i will be responsible for myself on Judgement Day.

it's cool mate no offence taken
that's a good reply, all I was looking for was someones interpratation of the text.
Do you agree though that large parts of the Quran leaves itself to be very loosly interprated?
And hence can be used by hate preachers for there own means?
I still find parts of it concerning though as they seem very clear and I don't know what other way the could be taken.