My Brother the Islamist

[richglanzav]

Give it another thought and I think they need to ban all that islamic brainwash on the Youtube and other media!

If you feel that is wrong try to spread christian religion in any Islamic Country - IRAN for example and you won't go very far, probably will be beaten to death for doing that or hanged.

apsolutely 100% spot on. some of the things that happen in this country make my blood boil. if it were happening in a muslim country i honeslty dnt think you would last 24 hours. the point im making here before i get shot down is that people take the piss in this country because its so ridiculously soft. the legal system is absolute bollocks - i have no problems with muslim people or any other religion. but i do have a problem for example with certain muslims. like the ones that think its ok to parade infront of out brave lads coming back from afghanistan.

but at end of the day we could discuss that until the cows come home and it wont change a thing. i just hope it dnt get out of hand.

 

[Starlet_Sam]

hell if that was me and a guy was saying 'Bullshit' or whatever, that would surely even piss me off.

Thing is, if you consider it your Muslim duty to spread the word then fine, but I feel it is my atheist duty to inform you that it is all bullshit. To get angry about it is utterly hypocritical, you tell me your beliefs, I'll tell you mine.

I would sincerely like to know why anyone believes in a religion. Can someone, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever please enlighten me to what proves to them, in this age of scientific discovery, would possibly allow you to believe in fairy tales. I can understand why religions came about, everyone wanted to find why we were here and, as the mind can only comprehend what it has experienced in life, they came to the conclusion that some almighty beard clad superman built us. Science has destroyed so many "facts" that have come out of religion, so why do people still believe. Honestly, tell me.

I except my "fate", what annoys me most about religious people is that they will never even find out they were wrong when they are rotting away in the ground, living on only as energy equal to the flesh consumed by organisms around them.

Another thing, why can't I say what I want about Allah and Mohammed? I don't believe in them, so why can't I draw them without actually being murdered.

Religions suck balls.

 

[williamocarroll1982]

Thing is, if you consider it your Muslim duty to spread the word then fine, but I feel it is my atheist duty to inform you that it is all bullshit. To get angry about it is utterly hypocritical, you tell me your beliefs, I'll tell you mine.

I would sincerely like to know why anyone believes in a religion. Can someone, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever please enlighten me to what proves to them, in this age of scientific discovery, would possibly allow you to believe in fairy tales. I can understand why religions came about, everyone wanted to find why we were here and, as the mind can only comprehend what it has experienced in life, they came to the conclusion that some almighty beard clad superman built us. Science has destroyed so many "facts" that have come out of religion, so why do people still believe. Honestly, tell me.

I except my "fate", what annoys me most about religious people is that they will never even find out they were wrong when they are rotting away in the ground, living on only as energy equal to the flesh consumed by organisms around them.

Another thing, why can't I say what I want about Allah and Mohammed? I don't believe in them, so why can't I draw them without actually being murdered.

Religions suck balls.

My beliefs are a little more complex than that of an 'almighty beard clad superman' and I think its a little premature to say that science has disproved the existence of God, if that is in fact what you are trying to say. I respect your choice in the belief that God does not exist but I would also appreciate you refraining from referring from my belief in the existence of God as 'believing in fairytale's. You say that 'religious people will never find out that we were wrong when we die', really? Are you sure about that? Have you got absolute proof of the NON existence of God? The non existence of God by atheist's is the same as the belief in God by believers, as of yet there is no ABSOLUTE proof of either, the only difference is in what we believe.

My personal belief in a higher power does not conform to that of any religion that I am aware of, it has come about from personal reflection and the belief that it can't just all be a big fluke. That in the beginning, the big bang, did not 'just happen' that someone or something started it and has observed our existence without interfering down through the ages. I don't for one minute assume that I am right and that you are wrong, I don't know what happens to us when we finally leave this world but neither do you and thats the point. In the end I believe that it doesn't really matter whether you believe or not, if you live you life by doing what is right by others and you don't intentionally hurt anyone then IF there is something after all this then you will get there

 

[J25GTi]

Well, that's fine, believing "someone" started the big bang etc, but who created that "someone"?

Thing is, if you consider it your Muslim duty to spread the word then fine, but I feel it is my atheist duty to inform you that it is all bullshit. To get angry about it is utterly hypocritical, you tell me your beliefs, I'll tell you mine.

I would sincerely like to know why anyone believes in a religion. Can someone, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever please enlighten me to what proves to them, in this age of scientific discovery, would possibly allow you to believe in fairy tales. I can understand why religions came about, everyone wanted to find why we were here and, as the mind can only comprehend what it has experienced in life, they came to the conclusion that some almighty beard clad superman built us. Science has destroyed so many "facts" that have come out of religion, so why do people still believe. Honestly, tell me.

I except my "fate", what annoys me most about religious people is that they will never even find out they were wrong when they are rotting away in the ground, living on only as energy equal to the flesh consumed by organisms around them.

Another thing, why can't I say what I want about Allah and Mohammed? I don't believe in them, so why can't I draw them without actually being murdered.

Religions suck balls.

My beliefs are a little more complex than that of an 'almighty beard clad superman' and I think its a little premature to say that science has disproved the existence of God, if that is in fact what you are trying to say. I respect your choice in the belief that God does not exist but I would also appreciate you refraining from referring from my belief in the existence of God as 'believing in fairytale's. You say that 'religious people will never find out that we were wrong when we die', really? Are you sure about that? Have you got absolute proof of the NON existence of God? The non existence of God by atheist's is the same as the belief in God by believers, as of yet there is no ABSOLUTE proof of either, the only difference is in what we believe.

My personal belief in a higher power does not conform to that of any religion that I am aware of, it has come about from personal reflection and the belief that it can't just all be a big fluke. That in the beginning, the big bang, did not 'just happen' that someone or something started it and has observed our existence without interfering down through the ages. I don't for one minute assume that I am right and that you are wrong, I don't know what happens to us when we finally leave this world but neither do you and thats the point. In the end I believe that it doesn't really matter whether you believe or not, if you live you life by doing what is right by others and you don't intentionally hurt anyone then IF there is something after all this then you will get there

 

[Starlet_Sam]

My beliefs are a little more complex than that of an 'almighty beard clad superman' and I think its a little premature to say that science has disproved the existence of God, if that is in fact what you are trying to say.

It's not, I meant it exactly as I said it.

I respect your choice in the belief that God does not exist but I would also appreciate you refraining from referring from my belief in the existence of God as 'believing in fairytale's.

Why, what you believe in has about as much basis to me as fairy tales.

You say that 'religious people will never find out that we were wrong' when we die, really? Are you sure about that? Have you got absolute proof of the NON existence of God? The non existence of God by atheist's is the same as the belief in God by believers, as of yet there is no ABSOLUTE proof of either, the only difference is in what we believe.

Absolute proof? No. However, there is proof to support majorly accepted theories of species development and how things are formed. There is ZERO evidence of God. Certainly none that any religion has been able to provide (apart from "read the bible to the proof" bullshit)

My personal belief in a higher power does not conform to that of any religion that I am aware of, it has come about from personal reflection and the belief that it can't just all be a big fluke.

How can it not be? The sheer number of planets out there verges on what humans can only describe as infinate, so how can the conditions be just right on one of them?

. I don't for one minute assume that I am right and that you are wrong

Neither do I, but the least I ask for is well reasoned evidence.

 

[williamocarroll1982]

Well, that's fine, believing "someone" started the big bang etc, but who created that "someone"?

I can't answer that question and I wouldn't for a second try to. As I said, they're my personal belief's and that's just the way it is. I have no problem with anyone who does not believe in anything, one of my best mates for the past 25 years is an atheist and I couldn't have anymore respect for him than I already have. I have no agenda and do not wish to force my beliefs on anyone and do not make fun of anyone else's belief's which is why I take offence to those who suggest that my belief in God is the same as believing in a fairytale. Your entitled to your opinion but there is no need to belittle those that do not believe what you believe. As long as the discussion is of an intellectual nature and exactly that, a discussion and doesn't descend into a playground slagging match then I have no problem whatsoever what ANYONE says

Regards

William

 

[williamocarroll1982]

Why, what you believe in has about as much basis to me as fairy tales.

That pretty much says it all right there.

Absolute proof? No. However, there is proof to support majorly accepted theories of species development and how things are formed. There is ZERO evidence of God. Certainly none that any religion has been able to provide (apart from "read the bible to the proof" bullshit)

I also believe in the 'majorly accepted theories of species development and how things are formed'. This still doesn't prove that God does not exist. You are absolutely correct in saying that there is no evidence of God and I don't dispute that for one second but there is also no evidence that there isn't a God either but I didn't insult you for not believing

How can it not be? The sheer number of planets out there verges on what humans can only describe as infinate, so how can the conditions be just right on one of them?

I never said that I believed the conditions were just right on one of them, I personally believe that there are many more planets out there that could have some form of life on them, be it more basic or more complex than what our planet sustains.

Neither do I, but the least I ask for is well reasoned evidence.

As do I but I don't just rely on science because as a species, although we would like to think we know a lot, we're actually only beginning to understand the universe that we live in. I also like to use what evolution has gifted me, my cerebral cortex which allows me to contemplate my existence beyond which we currently understand.

 

[dan_ep82]

Thing is, if you consider it your Muslim duty to spread the word then fine, but I feel it is my atheist duty to inform you that it is all bullshit. To get angry about it is utterly hypocritical, you tell me your beliefs, I'll tell you mine.

I would sincerely like to know why anyone believes in a religion. Can someone, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever please enlighten me to what proves to them, in this age of scientific discovery, would possibly allow you to believe in fairy tales. I can understand why religions came about, everyone wanted to find why we were here and, as the mind can only comprehend what it has experienced in life, they came to the conclusion that some almighty beard clad superman built us. Science has destroyed so many "facts" that have come out of religion, so why do people still believe. Honestly, tell me.

I except my "fate", what annoys me most about religious people is that they will never even find out they were wrong when they are rotting away in the ground, living on only as energy equal to the flesh consumed by organisms around them.

Another thing, why can't I say what I want about Allah and Mohammed? I don't believe in them, so why can't I draw them without actually being murdered.

Religions suck balls.

this is emmence lmfao

 

[Starlet_Sam]

For the record, I am not here to belittle you. How is a God any different to the tooth fairy, I honestly see no difference? It's either "be good or the tooth fairy won't leave you £1" or when your older "be good or suffer eternal damnation in the depths of hell". It is all a way of mass population control through the fear of the unknown. I don't take offence to your belief in something, please don't take offence in my disbelief. There's no need to be on the defensive, my side of the discussion will always be that your beliefs are rubbish, regardless of whichever religion you side with. Plus, it seems that you believe in "the divine" more than a religion.

Thing is, it's very hard to prove that something doesn't exist. How do you collect quantitive or qualititive information on nothing?

We left the idea of a flat earth in the past, the idea of a God just refuses to die. I sincerely think a world without religion would be more peaceful.

 

[Paul_JJ]

Ha, the topic is getting interesting!

Think about if the site was based in a Muslim country then we would've been banned already, all of us, sorry all of us apart from those who are Muslims! So basically even if you an atheist or you don't like Islam - living in in a Muslim country you gonna have to, or you will be hanged or something like that.

I think Muslims must learn from Russian Muslims - those don't wear Burka on the public, live in the peace with other religions (well most of the time), definitely do not spread the Islam like in the video. This is like my missus said (she is a Christian) - The Belief must come from your heart if you don't want to go to the Church do not go there.

There are a lot of different religions in Russia, many atheists, a lot of orthodox Christian and other Christian religions, around 20% of Muslims - that's 15mln people, over 1 mln of Jewish - and I tell you what - never ever I personally experienced any religion problems or someone wanted to convert me to another religion and definitely I've never seen any protests in front of brave soldiers - in fact there are a lot of Muslims in the Russian army as well - that's right the Army service is compulsory for man and no matter what religion you have everyone must attend it by law - may be that is what put's all the religions together in Russia?

I write all this to give an example where different religions can live in peace and for example fight for their country standing next to each other!
If we will have a war tomorrow vs Arabic Countries the Britain and most of the NATO block will lose the war pretty quick - they have too many people INDOORS who will support other countries.

I personally believe that there is going to be a war in the future - between different religions! [If you look back in to history most of the wars in the World were because of the Religion] Arab Countries will run out of oil one day and would need to find a way to make their living, China's and India's population will be too big so they will have to conquer other countries in order to survive! White people in the UK will be minority in 50-100 years...

 

[williamocarroll1982]

Yes, as I said earlier, My personal belief in a higher power does not conform to that of any religion that I am aware of, it has come about from personal reflection and the belief that it can't just all be a big fluke. I do not believe in or consider myself a member of any religious organisation but I have many of the same moral values as Catholicism and I try my best to live my life by the words of Jesus Christ "Do unto others as you have them do unto you". I don't believe that Jesus was the son of God, to me he was nothing more than an extraordinary man that tried to teach people the right way to live their lives

Saying that my beliefs in the Divine', as you call it, are comparable to believing in the tooth fairy IS belittling my beliefs whether it was intentional or not. I do understand where you are coming from, I not an idiot, I understand that to somebody who believes in nothing that it is impossible to believe in a 'Divine' but there is no need to imply that it is childish if you do. It is true to say that we left the idea of 'a flat earth in the past' but it wasn't just the those who believed in the 'Divine' that believed this to be true, scientists of the day also believed this.

I never said that I took offence to your non-belief in the existence of a Divine, what I said was I took offence to you basically calling my beliefs childish. As I said earlier, one of my oldest friends, somebody I have the utmost respect for, is an atheist, so much so he actually went to the hassle of de-registering himself as a Catholic. I respect him and EVERYTHING he believes and he shows me the same respect, never once has he said that my beliefs are anything resembling that of a fairytale.

There are other things that until they were proven to exist, were just unexplainable forces, take that of gravity, (yes, I realise that its existence was proven by science and not religion) before it was scientifically proven to exist, how did people explain its existence? It has no smell, you can't see it, you can't taste it, you can't touch it, you cant hear it and yet it is there for all to witness when an apple falls from a tree.

I don't have anything against you personally, I don't even know you so i don't want to start an argument with you and to be fair you seem to be very well informed on the subject. I'm simply asking that in future when you wish to air your beliefs in public that you do so with a little more decorum and refrain from making those of us who have differing beliefs to yours feel like we are somehow not as intellectually evolved as you.

 

[richglanzav]

ive got one for the atheists here if you will hear me out.

the bio-mechanics of a single human breath seem so simple when your breathing but its long been considered a miracle of engineering on the tiniest scale. now without going into mega detail, there are many aspects of a single breath that cannot have evolved. its scientifically proven that this system cannot function in anyway except exactly the way it is now. i hope that makes sense.

basically what im saying is it cannot have evolved as it wudnt have worked in any less evolved state it had to be perfect first time. and that is a scientific view. so in many peoples eyes even atheists that points to a POSSIBLE solution being either god or a higher level of intelligence/creator, whatever u wna call it.

 

[Paul_JJ]

ive got one for the atheists here if you will hear me out.

the bio-mechanics of a single human breath seem so simple when your breathing but its long been considered a miracle of engineering on the tiniest scale. now without going into mega detail, there are many aspects of a single breath that cannot have evolved. its scientifically proven that this system cannot function in anyway except exactly the way it is now. i hope that makes sense.

basically what im saying is it cannot have evolved as it wudnt have worked in any less evolved state it had to be perfect first time. and that is a scientific view. so in many peoples eyes even atheists that points to a POSSIBLE solution being either god or a higher level of intelligence/creator, whatever u wna call it.

Agreed but why God??? Why not an ET?

And look in to human brain we haven't even discovered 5% of it........ And we don't use more than 5% of the brain AT ALL - we don't know how!
Look at the liver - it can grow/heal on it's own with no medicine - miracle!

And when doing my first air course I found that the human body design is absolutely astonishing - if you are unconscious but breathing and badly bleeding - you're losing blood but heart (pump) needs to pump it all the time - so as you're getting shorter on blood within time it will CUT OFF the blood supply of your legs/hands - which are non essential and provides supply to the brain and other crucial organs.


I've no idea who and how someone designed the human body but one thing for sure it wasn't easy.

 

[Starlet_Sam]

ive got one for the atheists here if you will hear me out.

the bio-mechanics of a single human breath seem so simple when your breathing but its long been considered a miracle of engineering on the tiniest scale. now without going into mega detail, there are many aspects of a single breath that cannot have evolved. its scientifically proven that this system cannot function in anyway except exactly the way it is now. i hope that makes sense.

basically what im saying is it cannot have evolved as it wudnt have worked in any less evolved state it had to be perfect first time. and that is a scientific view. so in many peoples eyes even atheists that points to a POSSIBLE solution being either god or a higher level of intelligence/creator, whatever u wna call it.

Much more likely that eventually, by complete fluke, a genetic mutation allowed it's possesor to have an advantage, which it passed on. We're talking billions of years of accidental development, seeing many many creatures die and be wiped out.

I haven't personally heard that before, so I'd have to look into it before trying to answer it.