You closed the thread, I was happy to continue posting. But I guess like this discussion you're not really going to be in touch with reality.
No you resorted to threats and insults if I recall, my thread wasd otherwise interesting until that point
So you’re trying to say most theft is caused to buy illegal drugs? I highly doubt that, most hard users wouldn’t have the capacity to commit routine and organised robbery. The act of robbery to buy drugs wouldn’t changed regardless on their legality.
Please show me where I said MOST theft is committed to buy illegal drugs. You have a habit of misquoting. So you believe most hardened drug users wouldnt have the capacity to commit a routine robbery? Tell that to all of the people who are robbed by people out of their minds on drugs and have their houses broken in to by drug addicts looking for easy money. Ive lived in inner city Dublin I have witnessed it first hand if you are claiming that hardened drug addicts do not commit routine robbery you have no clue what you are talking about.
RE: Your comments on drugs were also not based on fact, more lack of anything vaguely conclusive. You seem keen to throw these statements at me so you can have it right back.
My comments on drugs are that alcohol kills and it is proven. And my feeling is we should tackle drugs that cause most deaths. You disagree and that is fine. But dont quote studies and try to twist numbers by comparing the UK alcohol death rate with the US gun death rate. It is a stupid comparison with the differences in population and the US figures I posted made your comment that gun deaths make alcohol deaths look like "nothing" look equally stupid. If you are going to quote studies to try prove a point make sure they are relevant to the conversation.
I don't have a problem with people defending themselves, especially in their own home. This happens on a daily basis and this thread is a perfect example of self defence that isn't taken to an extreme.
My problem is that you seem to think home owners arming themselves with firearms is a good idea.
You make it sound like I am the only one who thinks this is a good idea like I am some crazy vigilante. It is law where I currently live and in many other countries around the world. I agree with that law and you do not its quite simple and nothing for you to have a "problem" with.
I don’t think my comment was naïve at all, those committing theft in peoples properties do not need guns in order to do so in the UK, any feeble weapon is enough. If we were in a situation where homeowners had a legal right to defend themselves with a firearm, then the thief is hardly going to come equipped with a screwdriver and credit card.
Sorry but that is not what you said. You said they would bring weapons. You did not say they would bring guns. You made it sound like thieves do not already arm themselves if you now say you meant they would bring guns thats fine. Although guns are quite prolific in crimes these days anyway. If someone wants a gun they can have one.
I actually don’t care for the facts, and you’re right you can’t compare between the UK and US, you never will. Common sense can answer the majority of questions here.
Well that says it all. If you do not care for the facts why are you quoting a CDC study? You care about the facts when you think they back up your argument but when they are shown not to suddenly you do not care about them. You cannot compare between the UK and US as they have vastly different population sizes, but you did try to compare them in your previous post, I am glad you now agree with me now though.
Has the right to carry firearms in the US reduced burglary? Probably no…
how would it reduce burglary? People here have always had the right to carry guns since the birth of the nation.
Do more people die as a result of this? Probably yes….
probably yes based upon what?
Do people feel less safe on the streets in the US? Probably yes…
probably yes based upon what?
Is there a massive black-market for illegal firearms in the US? Yes…
There is a black market in every country for firearms. I would argue that the black market for firearms in the US is probably smaller than most countries. Why would I need to buy an illegal firearm when I can just walk in to a shop and buy a legal one.
Its difficult to converse with you on the points above given you have now abandoned fact.
Would people in the UK feel less safe knowing people are potentially carrying firearms? Yes
People are potentially carrying firearms today. There was a shoot out in the middle of the day in London last year remember.
Would more people die from gunshot related fatalities? Probably yes
more speculation
Would the cost and ability to police our streets increase? Probably yes
more speculation
Would the cost to the NHS increase? Probably yes
more speculation and it would still not put a dent in what alcohol costs the NHS 
I’m not selectively choosing anything other than that a lot of people die from gun related deaths in the US, a lot of people are also wounded. This is something that people here in the UK do not want, I truly believe that in saying that the majority of people would agree.
You are selectively picking pieces of what I say. Look back through my posts and you will see that I clearly say bringing very liberal gun laws into countries such as Ireland and the UK would not work. The US has always had the right to bear arms and so your direct comparisons, again, are not very insightful.
The current measures in place for those with a licence here is strict, my step father has one.
My father has a license for a gun and should be allowed use it to defend his home if some scumbag breaks in to steal or attack
I don’t care for the drugs thread, you won’t see the light, the coroner’s report has only just been released to us, they have an insight into these situations and their conclusions are much more valuable than your poor opinion on drugs.
I wont see what light? Because I say governments should look at all drugs and their respective impacts on users and you do not agree it does not mean you are right. You dont see the devastating damage alcohol causes thousands of people every year so I would say you are the one with a poor opinion on drugs. I view all drugs as being harmful and recognise that they all have negative effects.
I think the problem with you Dylan is that you seem overly Americanised.
