**Sold Dangerous Car complete with dodgy MOT**Please read

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Phil

Super Moderator
There is nothing none of us can do.

so there is something some of us can do lol

oj your right we'd better just leave it with the mod/admin. the stories are fairytale stuff sham, still think if you held your hands up it would be easier for everyone.

Phil
 

Craig

Lifer
Im not saying I could do better. But what I am saying is that they should listen to the members on this. Members should have the power on this site, not just the moderators. The members dont get to choose the moderators but the moderators get to say who can do what on the site. This system does normally work (I have nothing against the general running of the site or any of the moderators) but I do think that they should listen to the members on this. It seems that as Sham has some nice bits every now and again, he is getting let off of being involved in some way (however small) in this incident

If we weren't listening to the members, what exactly would have been the point in us opening up a thread that needs pretty much 24/7 moderation? It is more hassle for us having this open, but it has been opened so that opinions can be voiced in a constructive manner - Something that very few members are actually doing.
 

Craig

Lifer
It's great that the mods have opened the thread again so Sham can give an explanation, but no matter what Sham seems to say, people are still picking up discrepancies with the explanation given.

If the general members on the forum are picking these up and still questioning various things in the explanation given, I am sure the mods are also thinking the same thing.

Therefore, now an explanation has been given and there are still issues, then I think ultimately it should now be left in the hands of the mods to decide what action is taken from here.

I trust they will make the right choice...they aint stupid.

Repped.
 

Kelly

Member +
Would just like to point out that it doesnt matter what age etc the moderating team is, nor does it matter where we live in the world wether that be Malta, America or as close to this situation as it gets like Bradford at the end of the day our actions have the sites and members best interest at heart.

Im not saying I could do better. But what I am saying is that they should listen to the members on this. Members should have the power on this site, not just the moderators. The members dont get to choose the moderators but the moderators get to say who can do what on the site. This system does normally work (I have nothing against the general running of the site or any of the moderators) but I do think that they should listen to the members on this. It seems that as Sham has some nice bits every now and again, he is getting let off of being involved in some way (however small) in this incident

We do listen to our members but we also listen to ourselves too. Was only a few weeks ago that all the members were demanding Akki have his trading status back on the site, despite our judgement. We listen but we also try to protect.

I think, personally, you should wait until you see the actual outcome of this situation.

We don't know what the moderators of this site plan to do. You might notice that Sham's Store is missing from the Trader list, and that he is a "Suspended Trader".

While I don't agree with everything that happens on this website, thats part of living in a democratic society. Also, as far as I'm concerned, I pay money to this website to keep the servers funded. The 'staff' here have no ties to me personally, and I don't think they are here to be treated as 'staff'. It's as much their hobby/passtime (to run this place) as it is mine to access it.

Its a mutual understanding, without them we wouldn't have this, without us, they wouldn't have this site. (I'm in no way implying it isn't hard work, but you get my drift I hope)

Just my opinion...

Dave

Very well put Dave.


It's great that the mods have opened the thread again so Sham can give an explanation, but no matter what Sham seems to say, people are still picking up discrepancies with the explanation given.

If the general members on the forum are picking these up and still questioning various things in the explanation given, I am sure the mods are also thinking the same thing.

Therefore, now an explanation has been given and there are still issues, then I think ultimately it should now be left in the hands of the mods to decide what action is taken from here.

I trust they will make the right choice...they aint stupid.

Again very well put.
 

leedsboy

Fresh Recruit
Ye very true post them up!

I still find this very dodgy how so many people seem to know so much about and some seem to know more than Akki and Sham do!

I may know the lad who owned it! just trying to help clean some stuff up! just stick to what you want! your all entitled to your own opinion!
 

Sean_GT

Member +
I may know the lad who owned it! just trying to help clean some stuff up! just stick to what you want! your all entitled to your own opinion!

Do you have any other pictures of it when it was being repaired mate like around windowscreen and passenger side wing?
 

BallıGee

Member +
I do 20+ MOT’s a day, we are a very busy MOT centre and have 3 MOT testers here.

On the list of failures we sorted everything out, brakes were out because handbrake cable needed adjusting, we retested it on the rollers and it gave a reading that was a pass, fog light was fitted, was bought from champion motors, exhaust was welded up but as Matt says it was blown when he got it means the job wouldn’t win us awards. Light bulbs were replaced as were windscreen wipers. The seatbelts were also fixed as it passed mot on these, they did clip into the holsters and they did lock, but i cant remember exactly how good they were. The car came into mot with a different set of alloys than what wheels it was sold on, which may explain the bold tires. None of this work was done by me, but by the workers at the garage as it is not my job. The car did not pass without its horn working and it wouldn’t have passed if the horn didn’t work so I will say that the horn was fixed, if this was damaged again in the accident then I can’t comment on that. The windscreen was advised as was wheel bearing.

The second MOT test shows no advisories because there was no second MOT test, the advisories remain the same as the ones from when it was MOT’d and that advisory note that was issued with the first failure test is the one that Akky or whoever sold the car should have provided to the buyer if he/she asked for it or if the seller was genuine enough to include it, which were pretty obvious anyways (windscreen).

I have nothing to do with the fact that the car was bent or it drove like shit or whatever, my job is to test the motor for MOT, if the car was involved in an accident after the MOT certificate was issued, then that has nothing to do with me, I can only comment on the MOT side of things, not the accident, nor the way the car drove. I did make a mistake on the mileage but if you imagine I do up to 20 maybe more MOT’s everyday and people do make mistakes.

If there is anything else you need to know please do PM me, I will try my best to answer when I get the time.

Sham
i dont mean too be rude but does a mot not take 45mins by law ?
that means you dont have lunch dont have a tea break or have time to scrtach your ass u cant do 20 mots a day mate
 

gv1.3

Admin
I am glad Sham has posted this up as requested. Now all members are more than welcome to comment on this explanation.
 

dan

Member +
I am glad Sham has posted this up as requested. Now all members are more than welcome to comment on this explanation.

What are the admin views on this now, as no one really wanted to comment until he had posted this up? I think most if not all members are wanting to know.

Me personally, to many things just dont add up, but thats my own personal option ive come to after reading it all and hearing shams response.
 

Big_Daddy

Member +
What are the admin views on this now, as no one really wanted to comment until he had posted this up? I think most if not all members are wanting to know.

Me personally, to many things just dont add up, but thats my own personal option ive come to after reading it all and hearing shams response.

Add a Poll, may help
 

gv1.3

Admin
I did say I would comment after the response went up, I can only speak for me personally as I am sure the other staff will speak for themselves but personally none of this adds up and as such I dont see how Sham can go on trading on here especially since members who purchased cars from him in the past have come forward with tales of sheds. In my mind there are too many questions with too many conveinient answers and it all smells a bit suspect.

The decision about the action we will take will be a collective one so my view on the matter has been put forward and we will wait to see what the others think.
 
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CTR_Timmy

Guest
If it is clear that this is not the first case that Sham has sold an unfit car or it was advertised wrongly then he should be banned like Akki. This effects the club as well as people join sites like this to find traders for a particualr car and they are meant to repitable if linked to a car club.

I am sure Dylan, Jay and the other mods will do what is best by the club and I would hate to see TGTT get pulled into dirt!
 

Franza1

Supermoderator & Area Reps Manager
Personally, I don't believe that Explination. It just doesn't add up on my head.

Professionally, I can't really comment on the MOT really as i'm not clued up on the proseadure that's involved in the MOT. I was under the impression that if your car fails the MOT ( just like the NCT ) that the fail points are re-checked and if they still fail ( but the car as a whole does not ) then they are still put down as advisories. not a no need to tell them about that i put it on the last piece of paper sort of thing.

As Dylan said above the Decision will be taken Collectivly by all of the staff so as a whole My Professional feeling Is only a piece of the Pie that is the TGTT administration.
 

TD04_5EFTE

Member +
Wow just got to the end of this huge topic, been watching this one since it started but was reserving judgement.

I reckon the mods have handled this situation very well, letting all the evidence be gathered and letting people have their say, I have to admit some of the comments have been a bit wild from people. I personally think it's a bit silly and stupid to tar every member or anyone from Bradford with the same bad name just because of a few horror stories present and past, it's a very bad way to go about and people must reliase it's a minority not everyone from area's is like this.

It's also good to see members pulling together to help, shows this is a true community. Also loved how quickly all the evidence came together and discrepencies with the MOT and sale of the car, very well done.

I'm sure the moderation team will make a judgement based on the threads here and also whats been said and if they do hear the result of the VOSA investigation.

It's no use pointing the finger and going blah blah blah blah about issues that some of us aren't really trained in, we should leave it upto VOSA to investigate the car and if the police etc get involved then await the outcome as they are far more trained than us. In saying that I do see a lot of holes in some of the stories thats been posted that even the untrained eye would see. -

Working hours for one, How many MOT's you can do in a day and also the fact that if a car fails the MOT it fails it doesn't suddenly produce it's own Pass certificate with the MOT Testers name beside it out of magic, that has to be entered into the system and produced, as for mileage i know when i get my car MOT'd the first thing the guy who does it comes with a pen and paper and writes down the mileage and uses that piece of paper to write notes so if Sham is doing it from memory then chances are the mileage was screwed up but in a way thats no excuse, the information needs to be accurate all the time.

The car may have well been involved in an accident on the way back from the MOT and to get a quick sale the parts that were replaced on the car were put back on just to get the car sold. There is a lot of what if's the only people that will know the truth are those who were there at the time it all happened.

I'm guessing everyone will wait with anticipation on the result of the investigation, but remember the MOD's will be having a hard time as well picking out what to believe and what not to believe as well.

It's a very sickening story and the people involved if there was any wrong doing should have just come on and held there hands up and said "yeah we screwed up" the information is a bit conflicting at times.

Just glad the person got their money back and the authorities are investigating this now as this is a serious matter and glad the MOD's have made sure no one will get ripped off again from these people if they did happen to be guilty of things.
 
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cameroon95

Member +
Id say, kick him to the curb

Seriously though, who the hell is gonna trade/respect him again?

Their both better to cut their losses and start fucking up/selling cars of a different brand, maybe go honda guys??

Just pray that members on those forums havn't seen this thread.

oh wait...
 

Sean_GT

Member +
Id say, kick him to the curb

Seriously though, who the hell is gonna trade/respect him again?

Their both better to cut their losses and start fucking up/selling cars of a different brand, maybe go honda guys??

Just pray that members on those forums havn't seen this thread.

oh wait...

The only problem with that is that Sham and Akki somehow have loads of followers on here who will defend them right till the end and if the mods were to ban Sham i dont think certain people would be to happy about it
 
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