TM Developments + AFR Tuning = UK’s most powerful Starlet
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Dave@TM-developments.com
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Would be nice see 400whp, will have to wait and see 
i remeber the time when you where saying "its not a true starlet unless its a 4e" lol
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hasnt smashed a std box an std head studs yet:homer:..how the hell is it holding out
Anakin
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hasnt smashed a std box an std head studs yet:homer:..how the hell is it holding out
And drive shafts...??
Sheldon
Malta Area Rep.
And drive shafts...??
should hold fine. i dont know anyone that said goodbye to driveshafts UNLESS front was jumping madly and kept giving it...
Phil
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400whp is about 450hp, but most dynos would give u 400whp and near 500hp rofl and therefore fly figures are a joke unless it done on an engine dyno!
Good luck with the 400whp dave! She should be good on the strip with that sort of power and slicks etc.
Phil
AFR Tuning
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I think calling chassis dyno fwhp figures a joke is a little harsh, but totally agree about an engine dyno being the only real way - it's just not always convenient
Incidentally, with three forum members watching we did back to back runs in 4th and 5th gears today. It proved that running in an overdriven gear over inflates the transmission loss %age and reduces the whp figure yet the fwhp stayed pretty much the same. I'd have to look back at the fwhp figures, but it went from 181whp in 5th to 207whp in 4th
Next time Maha calibrate the dyno, I'll ask the technician to see if he knows how the various figures are calculated.
Incidentally, with three forum members watching we did back to back runs in 4th and 5th gears today. It proved that running in an overdriven gear over inflates the transmission loss %age and reduces the whp figure yet the fwhp stayed pretty much the same. I'd have to look back at the fwhp figures, but it went from 181whp in 5th to 207whp in 4th
Next time Maha calibrate the dyno, I'll ask the technician to see if he knows how the various figures are calculated.
Phil
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exactly drivetrain lose is substancially higher in a higher gear, therefore the transfered whp should be and is lower. that stands to reason.
the difference between the whp and the calculated fwhp is the slightly doubtful element. the fact that this slightly dubious figure(fwhp) stays the same and isnt dependant on gearing only confirms that the dyno is consistant when tested against itself.
an engine dyno is ideal for fly figures. your average dyno will give fairly reliable whp figures.
im pretty sure on some level we are agreeing lol
Phil
the difference between the whp and the calculated fwhp is the slightly doubtful element. the fact that this slightly dubious figure(fwhp) stays the same and isnt dependant on gearing only confirms that the dyno is consistant when tested against itself.
an engine dyno is ideal for fly figures. your average dyno will give fairly reliable whp figures.
im pretty sure on some level we are agreeing lol
Phil
Phil
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yes sorry not your/daves figures personally, just generally fwhp show greater and more hilarious differences, dyno to dyno, than the related whp figures.
Phil
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AFR Tuning
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Oh god mate, totally agree ! I'm the first to say take dyno figures with a sensible dose of salt. We've seen some hilarious printouts in our time
Plus the best dyno in the world is useless in the hands of someone that doesn't know what they are doing. A brand spanky new Dyno isn't everything
That said, we get our new Rototest later in the year Cant wait, my poor missus will never see me again :haha:
_GAZ_EP85_
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the boxes and driveshafts are good for big power as long as you dont grip good through the first 3 gear's and start smashing it through the gears
The gearboxes in GT's (C52) are also used in higher powered cars too, such as the MR2 (AW11). Glanza gearboxes were also used in Celica's too. It's not so surprising they're so tough. It's the duschbags that don't treat gearboxes with respect that break them.
To add another perspective, i see most of the UK is mainly concerned with finding out the power an engine can produce at the flywheel. Downunder, most power figures are quoted in HP or KW that's produced at the wheels.
I just guess we're a little behind! How inaccurate are power figures at the wheels from dyno to dyno?
Oh, yeah. Forget to mention, insane power figures mate! Hope you've got someone very skilled to drive the car, thats alot of hard work that can be ruined very easily, very quickly.
AdDaMan
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oooooo 400whp!
Very nice.
And thats without his custom intake...sounds like the one to beat...
Tis america though..
D3N0
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are you saying that the nissan sr20 TB's bolt up to our standard inlet manifold? good power there overseas.
durmz
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anything will fit with a bit of fettling
thas handy, i got a spare tractor engine in the garage!